Implying that the PS4 chip is a Kaveri chip is "erroneous", not that PS4 has hUMA. In fact, it is certain that it has hUMA, since the layout of the Onion/Garlic bus as well as the "voltatile tag" Cerny talked about are pretty much that: hUMA.
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AMD: PlayStation 4 supports hUMA, Xbox One does not
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Implying that the PS4 chip is a Kaveri chip is "erroneous", not that PS4 has hUMA. In fact, it is certain that it has hUMA, since the layout of the Onion/Garlic bus as well as the "voltatile tag" Cerny talked about are pretty much that: hUMA.
Hooflung128
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I've had customer support tell me they didn't make a particular model of card before while holding it while on the phone. Why would you ever believe a 10 dollar an hour worker reading from canned responses.
Ps my card was oem not retail.
Didn't they said this before the X1 was revealed? So - of course the PS4 would be the most powerful console at that time because the X1 wasn't announced.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Why not make it 15 million since you're already in batshit-crazy pipe dream territory?
That changes what? PS4 is still the most powerful console, lol
No, they don't.
Pretty funny you believe some random forum post over the article so quick.
We have great detail over the console memory systems. Sony has even added extra bus beyond the HSA design in AMD right now. Also AMD rolled all changes made by sony into their HSA design. Sony also join HSA and ms has not...
Doesn't quite say that. The rep is speculating about the logic that could have lead to the writer to that conclusion (Kaveri is coming out around the same time, ergo PS4 is Kaveri, ergo PS4 is hUMA), and that that logic would be faulty because these are custom chips. He's avoiding actually saying anything about the capability of those chips.
( FWIW, I personally think in PS4's case the features Cerny disclosed mean you can meet hUMA criteria outlined earlier, but in a more hand-guided way than AMD might envisage for their own or future chips. It may not come as automatically, the programmer has to guide things along with the right bus choices and cache tags )
:lol
Is COD an Xbox One timed exclusive or something? (sorry haven't played it since MW2).
phosphor112
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I made that diagram based on the info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_(microarchitecture)#Design
Then again, near the top of the page on the right it says:
So, I'm not too sure. I do know that the PS4 Jaguar has 4mb... so, it's at least 2mb per 4 cores.
Can Crusher
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I don't understand this shield some fans create where PR is where the truth lies.
The article says:
Explained by A) to B). There isn't a quotation, but saying they weren't explained so is calling them liars.
Clearly this is the author of the article drawing his own conclusions, based on what AMD envisions for the future and how they have leveraged the technology so far.
Oh wait.... they are lying right, or just not understanding what they are being told. I mean, there are no quotes here!!
Pretty sure that says they can't comment, not that the PS4 doesn't support hUMA.
Senior product marketing manager vs. Random support person. Hmmmmmm
Latvian Hitman
Member
The game is not timed exclusive. DLC will be.
Putting COD aside, though- anyone who thinks MS is in a position to ship 5 million XB1's for December needs to stop posting for a while and read up on how console launches work.
Can Crusher
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Once again you show terrible reading comprehension skills, and when used for confirmation bias it's just an incredibly poor look.
I didn't realize Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica announced all their top people left and they weren't making PS4 games anymore.
yup, that was quite a common tactic for ms, not just in regards to browsers.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Cant we just tweet shuida on about this?
ThePowerofX
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AMD's chief graphics architect, John Gustafson, had to temper his excitement about the tech in Sony's console back in April, remarking: "The PlayStation 4 blew me away but Im conscious about being too positive about it because of course we have other partners that are competing."
Gustafson did not wish to offend Microsoft, which is understandable.
There was another quote, that I am having difficulty finding, in which Gustafson speculated if Sony engineers were cognisant of 'just how much' untapped potential PS4 has to offer.
Gustafson did not wish to offend Microsoft, which is understandable.
There was another quote, that I am having difficulty finding, in which Gustafson speculated if Sony engineers were cognisant of 'just how much' untapped potential PS4 has to offer.
3rdamention
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I can see it now.
hUMA vs The Cloud
"Tonight's matchup is scheduled for 1 fall. In the red corner, represented by Sony Computer Entertainment, wearing the blue trunks. hUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAA!
And in the blue corner, representing Microsoft, wearing the green trunks, DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA CLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDD!"
hUMA vs The Cloud
"Tonight's matchup is scheduled for 1 fall. In the red corner, represented by Sony Computer Entertainment, wearing the blue trunks. hUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAA!
And in the blue corner, representing Microsoft, wearing the green trunks, DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA CLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDD!"
Grover Cleveland
Member
PS4 will continue to exist beyond the launch window.
There are plenty more big name exclusives on the horizon
LukasTaves
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That's weird... From the vgleaks diagrams it seemed that xbone had everything in place for it. If not then what is that 30GB/s link for coherent access between cpu and gpu for?
SenjutsuSage
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LOL really now? What you see in Infamous is absolutely possible on the Xbox One. Let's not get crazy here. Also, it sounds to me like the article is making some big assumptions, but aside from that it doesn't really matter.
The point here is that, leaving the actual impact on performance and potential marketing intentions from AMDs aside, it is technologically credible that the PS4 implements hUMA while the XB1 does not. All information on the PS4's memory system so far pretty much describes a hUMA architecture. The Onion/Garlic busses and the volatile tag on cache lines confirm that with certainty. Conversely, the XB1 has a custom memory system and in which its custom move engines play a big role in data management. It's very possible that hUMA cannot be integrated into this architecture since managing cache coherency might simply be more complex. Instead, memory management is supported by its move engines.
I don't see any reason not to trust c't on this point.
We've seen both Minecraft and SimCity and no one can say that Minecraft looks better.
I think, that the PS4 uses this technology, but heise is not a fan of Microsoft. Even at the launch of the Xbox360, they made some statements about the (missing) Xbox360 power, which turned out not to be correct.
DriveClub absolutely looks better, it just doesn't run nearly as smooth, which kind of throws the comparison in the air. But given the massive improvement it's had in the new build, I have faith in Evolution for launch. In-fact, all the PS4 first party stuff has had big improvements from E3 to Gamescom.
DagnastyEp
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The xbox one SOC will be discussed at next weeks hot chips conference. A 30 min presentation will be given on it. We'll likely learn much more about it then, and will hopefully get some specifics regarding cpu, gpu, huma, etc.
http://www.hotchips.org/
http://www.hotchips.org/
So he is a liar who hates Microsoft and is intending to slander their product?
cyberheater
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Show me where in the recent response from AMD where they state that PS4 has hUMA.
Gemüsepizza
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In which universe does *customer support* answer such questions?
Phire Phox
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Interesting, considering Forza 5 and Ryse look better graphically than any PS4 game.
3rdamention
Member
Link? I didn't know this was proven yet!
Oh well. I will just continue to read the long explanations of how AMD doesn't know what they are talking about and the author of this article is wrong. It has been entertaining.
cyberheater
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Yep. I think Sony have implementation of something similar to hUMA. And so has MS.
Since this tech is specifically for their integrated GPU with CPUs for the next year or 2 there is no advantage to be had unless you are buying a laptop under $600.
Gemüsepizza;77560749 said:
I am actually not feeling comfortable with that supposed answer from customer support, since they usually indeed don't answer such question, and the fact that the screenshot only shows a header, not the entire mail, is somewhat fishy. It was also a very fast answer (15 minutes?) on such a rather delicate topic…
/edit: I'll remove it and will add any official answer von AMD from a reliable source, if they publish any
SenjutsuSage
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The move engines aren't the only way to handle memory on the Xbox One. They are just one way to handle memory while using notably less resources. Also, the PS4 itself likely has similar hardware, except they're likely just called plain old DMA as opposed to Move Engines, and Microsoft apparently decided to put more DMA units in the Xbox One with certain fixed function capabilities. So to say that hUMA can't be integrated into this architecture when the PS4 likely shares similar DMA components seems pretty contradictory.
The XB1 isn't forced to use the Move Engines for its data management, as it can handle memory in a more traditional way using shaders. They're just an option that should help the system better utilize the ESRAM, and that helps the system move data around without exhausting all the memory bandwidth in doing so. It seems to me that the move engines themselves shouldn't be a huge obstacle to hUMA based on how it's described, but maybe the ESRAM itself might introduce some complications. I don't really know the details, but the Xbox One's memory system shows very clear and obvious coherency as described in HUMA between the GPU memory sub-system and the CPU. Isn't hUMA all about data coherency between the GPU and CPU?
This is, actually, wrong.
Killzone: Shadow Fall is currently the best looking launch game.
Just look at the multiplayer footage. It looks as good as the single-player part. Amazing!
Anyone who thinks that is a legit email is pretty gullible.
In what alternate reality does this happen?
General PC sales are down.
Gaming PC sales are up.
http://www.techpowerup.com/188572/g...re-sales-shrug-off-pc-market-decline-jpr.html
Of course there is an ulterior motive. That motive is to sell more chips in the PC market.
Can someone please tell me why everyone is saying third party titles will be equal ?
Thats just bullshit, a lot of titles are developer seperatly.
Not all titles are just ported.
The way the consoles are built it will not take a lot of time and money to get the most out of the ps4.
And if a developer is not lazy or bought by MS, the third party titles will not be the same period.
Thats just bullshit, a lot of titles are developer seperatly.
Not all titles are just ported.
The way the consoles are built it will not take a lot of time and money to get the most out of the ps4.
And if a developer is not lazy or bought by MS, the third party titles will not be the same period.
SenjutsuSage
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I strongly disagree, but to each his own.
Has anyone made "Too hUMA" joke yet?
cyberheater
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Time and politics.