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..buying Ryse. Yes, that's correct.
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SHOCK: Ryse has (optional) microtransactions.
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RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Oh look, another Fee to Pay game.
Phat Michael
Banned
Thanks for your contribution to the thread.
dragonelite
Member
haha no if only.
Thread seems like an normal x1 and ryse thread i have seen over the last 4 months or so.
Phat Michael
Banned
great, another one. Just read the OP FFS.
Chance Hale
Member
poopninjamvc3mk
I sucked six dicks to get this tag.
Uncharted 3 had micro transactions so you're not safe.
TheContact
Member
Fuck Ryse. May it fall into the pits of bargain bins
FloatingDivider
Member
And I'm saying I realize I might be able to unlock everything by simply playing the game. How long does that take though 100+ hours? Know why, not because they think the game is rivetting enough that you're going to want to play it for 100+ hours but because they know that people probably don't want to invest that kind of time and just might purchase some money packs so they can enjoy themselves. I enjoyed some mass effect 3 mp, I also realized about halfway through my third match that grinding together the coins for items so I can grind coins better is not a gameplay mechanic but a subversive way to make you buy coins. In fact the entire gameplay loop has coins as a focus so people would buy items. Nobody is "forcing" them but they are trying their goddamn best to influence your decision making. Riticiello indicated as much in the well known buy some ammo for your guns speech.
This is exactly the shit Jim Sterling is talking about: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7811-Fee-to-Pay
Phat Michael
Banned
i think ill come back after another 20 pages of people not reading the OP and just looking at the title without seeing it carefully explained countless times throughout the thread.
DarthTophat
Neo Member
If actually gaining gold and buying these in game items is doable then i see no problem with this as its optional.
Came here to explain, read the countless people trying to explain already, frustration set in and then gave up.
Just waiting for the conversation to evolve as well
Same thing happens everytime microtransactions are introduced. People instantly jump to conclusions. I remember tons of outrage about Dead Space 3, people saying that you wont be able to finish the game without paying money or extreme grinding, and then`? Nothing. Everyone could play through the game just fine.
There is a possibility that it can be abused but saying with absolute certainty that it will be is just dumb.
How long it takes to unlock everything in Uncharted 2/3, TLoU, Killzone 2/3, Battlefield 3/BC 2 or any COD?
Why is that when a game introduces optional microtransactions gamers arent happy with grinding, but when there is no microtransactions everything is fine?
Ryse looks awful but I don't see why this is a problem. Every game with multiplayer (and I'm guessing most without as well) will have some microtransactions. As long as the game is well balanced it shouldn't be a huge issue.
In this case though I wonder how much it will cost to buy the unlock that makes your controller inputs affect what happens on screen?
In this case though I wonder how much it will cost to buy the unlock that makes your controller inputs affect what happens on screen?
Doug Heffernan
Member
Did you even read the op?
FloatingDivider
Member
Don't assume I'm fine with the grinding in BF3 or COD, in fact I believe the unlock system is one of the worst things to ever happen to competitive multiplayer gaming. Furthermore BF3 has micro-transaction unlocks, in fact it has about 100$ worth of unlockable bullshit last I checked, I complained about the bullshit involved with that as well. Unfortunately that wasn't within the original scope of the thread. I'm never happy about grinding since that's the gameplay scenario that will instantly make me quit. If I'm only doing task A so I can do task A better in the future I will just quit doing task A. So yeah I didn't play a lot of multiplayer for the games you listed there, sorry. I got BF3 again in the origin bundle now, and playing it has made me realize why I hate unlocks so much. It's pretty NOT fun getting shot down in a chopper by rockets I don't have and can't grind for because the other guy shoots me out of the sky before I can mount any sort of defense.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I think it's probably because when they play multiplayer and get beaten regularly by people with lots of disposable income, it sort of takes the edge off the idea that skill is key.
Alcoholikaust
Member
maquiladora
Member
Shocking. I am shocked.
CambriaRising
Member
Yes it did. Ds3 was designed with a 10 minute robot who gathered resources that could be bought in seconds. Not to mention the scumbag "random item" gambles.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Slot-machine pay2win... down there with time gating with the scum of F2P microtransaction systems.
Actually, it could be even worse if they made you pay for consumable items like health packs.
Actually, it could be even worse if they made you pay for consumable items like health packs.
MMaRsu
Banned
Its not the same though.
But that does not apply to this game at all since its not competitive and even games that are competitive have basic setups capable enough to not provide disparity, at least if talk about normal F2P games/microtransaction schemes, no mobile shit.
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I dont like unlocks too, but unfortunately every game has them and some just have additional microtransactions, i dont see anything wrong with it, especially if it brings MP DLCs for free to whole community like in Mass Effect 3.
FloatingDivider
Member
I don't think it's paying to not play the game, it's paying to be allowed to play the game you previously bought in a fashion you enjoy. I never enjoyed contra without the konami code, it'd be a pain if I had to pay 5$ for it. It's also not like those 5$ go towards development time or any actual feature, unlocking everything is probably as simply as flipping a boolean from false to true.
So imagine if you had to pay $5 for the ability to get a random set of cheat codes that may or may not be what you're looking for.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
It's pay to win, plain and simple. You played ME3 multiplayer, you should know that by now.
Sure, you don't "have" to spend money. But the people that do get a tangible advantage, and that's unfair in ANY competitive multiplayer game. Success in a game should be determined by your skill and commitment, not the size of your wallet.
Sloane_Ranger
Member
Wow. Again with the not listening to gamers vs the boardroom? Microtransactions need to be cosmetic, or at least not truly effect gameplay/winning.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Yes, but the point is that people who pay get access to them sooner and more often.
How are you going to compete without spending any money when some rich kid bought ten gold packs, got the best items, and stomps everyone?
It's unfair and unfun.
FloatingDivider
Member
PoweredBySoy
Banned
Ryse multiplayer is going to be hot. Get on board the train, peeps.
$4.99
this post sums up exactly how i feel about next gen in a nutshell, the support for free to play games was a good start but having it bleed over into full price retail games is just absurd.
3rdamention
Member
I tried for 3 hours last night and still couldn't unlock armor in FIFA. He said Ryse is just like unlocking armor in FIFA. Can someone please explain what I am doing wrong?
Pay a small fee and I might randomly read the OP.
The chances of me reading it are increased if you buy the Gold package.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
And how is this not pay-to-win? Is there somehow no gameplay advantage for people who spend money on loot packs?
Marvel
could never
Damn near spat soup on my clean shirt.
3rdamention
Member
Yep, basically you can play Multiplayer a lot and unlock all the armor naturally, or just pay for it with real world currency. I know EA has done this with several games, where you can pay to unlock everything instead of earning it naturally through playing.
Nothing really new here, except I would think it would make the online a bit uneven with people who just pay for the best armor from the get go going up against people trying to earn it naturally. You have to earn the gold in Multiplayer, so if people bought it with real world currency, you may be a little outmatched if you are trying to earn it.
dragonelite
Member
They showed coop how can you win against an other in coop wave based multi?
Better player will accelarate from the start anyway by scoring better or some folks will get lucky with better weapons.
Now crytek reveal an dual wield class ala spartacus can't remember the name of the class.
Not really. If you don't want to pay just play the game and you'll get the money you need to buy these packs. The MP is just co-op horde mode, like in ME3. There's no advantage over the other players that you'll gain from buying booster pack with real money.