pharmboy044
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Shu Yoshida confirmed on Twitter that you can have your PSN profile on the Vita and Vita TV. If you have PS+, the cloud saves should work flawlessly.
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PlayStation Vita TV Already Sold Out on Amazon Japan
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Shu Yoshida confirmed on Twitter that you can have your PSN profile on the Vita and Vita TV. If you have PS+, the cloud saves should work flawlessly.
Callibretto
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I don't blame you, it didn't offer anything new for people who already own Vita and prefer the portable form of Vita.
this new VTV is really for people who want to play Vita games for cheap, plays on tv, or for ps4 owner who like the idea of ps4 extension to other tv.
Ok, so with VTV, I can take out my Vita cart and put it on the TV to play, can use it o access PSN and play PS1/Vita games and watch media, and it works as an extender for PS4 so if I had the PS4 in the living room and wanted to use it in the bedroom, the VTV would work like Remote Play. Am I getting the gist of it?
Yes.
And if you wanted to take the VTV on holiday, you can take it and a DS4 and play your PS4 games in a different country, provided they get remote play working as it should do.
That opening few minutes to the Feb reveal is still incredible.
bigboss370
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SwiftDeath
Member
Yep
How flawlessly everything works is the only remaining question
Also think you can take your vita memory card out of your portable vita put it in your VTV and play digital games that way
Pretty sure Sony wants Vita to be a platform more than anything
but it may very well inrease developer efforts to support the system.
It could make a huge impact on who, and how many buy vitas, that in turn, drives development.
This can be a huge shot in the arm to the vita.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
But it's still a vita,Sony did an Apple and repackage something and made it cheap to produce and people are going crazy for it
It just a none portable vita which is crazy considering Japanese love for portables.
And in addition people without a Vita portable might pick one up for playing on the go.
BibiMaghoo
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I don't know where you got this from, but it is not true. They both use the camera for the light trick. The reason it is so buggy is because it sets the 'normal' light level when the puzzle starts. It takes an instant measure of it, then asks for an increase. In all cases, you can 'cheat' by covering the camera - so it is pitch black before starting the puzzle. It will complete almost instantly when you allow light onto the camera. You don't need to twist the unit around at all, or even move it. This is not the work of gyros.
The same applies for the puzzle that uses the gyros to move the platform the ball is on. It takes a measure of 'flat' when you start the puzzle, and so having it flat when you start makes it non buggy and fine. The problem arises because people are not holding the console flat when starting the puzzle. A small UI prompt should have been used in this case to inform the user, but it was not.
SwiftDeath
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That's the beauty of it imo
It should encourage vita owners to buy the other version in a lot of cases
Get casuals into the vita ecosystem cheaply with the Vita TV
Then they can buy a portable vita to extend their experiences
And those who own vitas can buy a Vita TV to play their games on a big tv if they so desire
It's all optional, it all adds value to each other
It's brilliant
Read it somewhere here and as it actually did explain this buggy mess and corroborated with my personal experience I took it for granted.
When I did the minigames, light did never seem to have any influence on whether it worked or not. always had to twist around. I did try to switch the light on after the minigame started, it didn't help. I also thought it was a calibration issue but everything I tried didn't work. Funnily, pointing at the floor seemed to be the only solution even though everything else I tried was much much brighter.
Sure, I could be wrong about it because that minigame is just beyond buggy. If so, mea culpa. Still, doesn't change the fact that the gyro could be easily used as a replacement.
I don't understand why that matters... more sales equals more games on the console. Why would it matter if it's handheld or not?
Yah and it's weird that they still didn't announce it for NA/EU, This thing should be for the western market first since Japan is all about handheld (and not so much into TV gaming).
bigboss370
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maybe it's their way of trying to make up for not releasing PS4 in Japan first.
pieatorium
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new model is japan only too atm, maybe their waiting to sell out the old stock before announcing the new stuff here
also retailer confidence in anything vita is probably super low so sony's manufacturing of this stuff is also probably low volume (comparatively). Staggered launch lets you fill early demand in one territory while also gauging demand in others.
SwiftDeath
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I would be curious if with PS4's success, Sony might be able to push more with vita's in regards to retailers as Sony is clearing pushing the ecosystem front which has a whole slew of hardware retailers can push
Who knows though?
Devilgunman
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The Vita TV has a potential to take over gaming industry but Sony still needs a lot of works to do to make it happen:
a) Heavily market Vita TV to general consumers. Keep injecting obvious potentials to their brains -"Watch TV and play Playstation Games for only $100!!", and leave extra info like requiring DS3 to work or expensive memory card to retailers. All they need is exposure to Vita TV name.
b) Make it work as advertised and easy. It has to be flawless and very accessible so anybody can pick it up and play. That's a strength of Apple product and if Vita TV wants to compete it has to be at the same level or higher.
c) It must support a remote control or, even better, a universal remote. It can't carry a name "TV" if the only supported input is from a game controler. House moms will not want it.
d) Get people on PS+. Free games, Music Unlimited, Movies Unlimited. Promote them loud and clear to make sure everybody who buy Vita TV will subscribe PS+.
etc
a) Heavily market Vita TV to general consumers. Keep injecting obvious potentials to their brains -"Watch TV and play Playstation Games for only $100!!", and leave extra info like requiring DS3 to work or expensive memory card to retailers. All they need is exposure to Vita TV name.
b) Make it work as advertised and easy. It has to be flawless and very accessible so anybody can pick it up and play. That's a strength of Apple product and if Vita TV wants to compete it has to be at the same level or higher.
c) It must support a remote control or, even better, a universal remote. It can't carry a name "TV" if the only supported input is from a game controler. House moms will not want it.
d) Get people on PS+. Free games, Music Unlimited, Movies Unlimited. Promote them loud and clear to make sure everybody who buy Vita TV will subscribe PS+.
etc
Well the Vita screen is greater than 480p. Then scaled to 720p/1080i for VTV.
There were some 360 and PS3 games that were barely better than the 960x544 that the Vita produces. It should look ok.
Yeah the textures will look bad because the games were not designed for a huge TV, but not nearly as bad as the PSP's TV out.
Theonik
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That is before you start getting into games like Gravity Daze for example that run at a lower resolution than what was native on the Vita of course.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Sony needs to get on this ASAP.
PuppetMaster
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Still way higher res and higher quality than say PS2 or Wii games.
Also better res than several COD games on current gen.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Or PSP/PS1 games which I've gladly played on a 42" HDTV with no issue.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
still makes it different from the 3DS XL/3DS comparison.
well think of it this way, for non OG Vita owners its a great way to get vita/ps1/psp games on a cheaper system that supports DS3 and eventually DS4 and play those on the TV, while for the OG Vita owners it can be something that can complement your vita portable, just plug the vita card with your games and play on your tv and vice-versa, and use your vita handheld as something akin to a wiiu controller, at least thats how i understand it, its pretty genius stuff if you ask me, sure there seems to be some issues with those vita games with the tuchscreen functionality and stuff, but if they can have a workaround for that later on, it would be beyond awesome
Nightengale
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I'm frankly a bit optimistic that VitaTV for a US/EU release will include something like a cheap remote, or that they'll lower DS3 price or something.
The $99 VitaTV without DS3 makes sense in Japan, because it's highly likely that majority of the households with the intention to buy a VitaTV already owns a PS3. There's no need to push the model with DS3 bundled, given that PS3 is the defacto home console there.
It also makes sense in EU, but in US, it does feel like they may need to incentivise general consumers more than Japan if they want this to catch on with the streaming box crowd.
Boogalogist
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Vita TV launched in Japan before the PS4, thus it was bundled with a DS3.
I'm hoping that Vita TV launches in US/EU with a Vita + DS4 bundle. It'll sell almost as much as people who want a second controller for their PS4!
At the same time, it can entice people into the remote play...and thus, it's an indirect push for the Vita.
I'm hoping that Vita TV launches in US/EU with a Vita + DS4 bundle. It'll sell almost as much as people who want a second controller for their PS4!
At the same time, it can entice people into the remote play...and thus, it's an indirect push for the Vita.
EdReedFan20
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I'm curious to know if any of those sales were people outside of Japan that can't wait for the Vita TV to come to their respective regions. I think we'll (people outside of Japan that'll already have PS4) get the PS Vita TV when PS4 launches in Japan. At that time, the Japanese version will probably get a firmware update to allow for DualShock 4 support (we'd get that support right out of the box). Sony could then offer a version of PS Vita TV with a DS4 instead of a DS3 in all regions (and maybe more internal storage). More Vita games would work with the PS Vita TV thanks to the DS4 touchpad.
Zoe
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Amazon Japan won't export video game hardware or software.
spatenfloot
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Just upload the save to the cloud then download on the other device. Games already do that between vita and ps3.
EdReedFan20
Member
Okay, then. It seems this thing is REALLY popular in Japan. I hope it gets the same love when it's released elsewhere. Sony needs to advertise this well. Unfortunately, that seems to always be their weak spot. If it comes out in the US they should bring it on morning talk shows, late night talks shows, etc.
lordchompy
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That's sort of Reggie's thing, the talk shows and all. I don't recall ever seeing someone from Sony on a talk show.
Actually, yeah, I saw the guys from Guerrilla showing Killzone to Jimmy Fallon, but that's about it.
SwiftDeath
Member
They need to release bundles of vita tv with minecraft in the US
If it was priced right it would sell well imo
If it was priced right it would sell well imo
But that is a native res game (so 544 and close to 720), however the sub native games (like AC3:L and Gravity Rush) might look really ugly if Vita TV don't have a scaling chip.
so basically
What vita is to ps4
Is
What vita tv is for vita
It really is a complete cycle
Indoor at couch : ps4, vita-vita tv
Indoor around house : ps4-vita remote play, ps4- vita tv (different tv), vita
Outside house wifi/Internet : ps4- vita remote play,vita
Different house at couch : ps4-vita tv, vita
What vita is to ps4
Is
What vita tv is for vita
It really is a complete cycle
Indoor at couch : ps4, vita-vita tv
Indoor around house : ps4-vita remote play, ps4- vita tv (different tv), vita
Outside house wifi/Internet : ps4- vita remote play,vita
Different house at couch : ps4-vita tv, vita
COD: Black OPs run at 960x544 on the PS3. Exactly the vita's resolution. It'll be fine.
Perfect Cha0s
Member
He's saying to basically do a reverse remote-play. Instead of playing PS4 games in the Vita TV room, playing Vita games in the PS4 room. It's just an extra layer of convenience, not really an outrageous idea.
And that probably won't happen, at least not for a while.
pieatorium
Member
why would you want to go through your ps4? it would be just the same as playing it through a tv?
Unless you mean so you dont have to click a couple of buttons on the tv remote and instead click through a menu on the ps4?
There are a few Vita games that are rendered at 640x368 (NFS:MW does this with 4x MSAA) but still, it's going to be fine if people are okay with upscaled PS1.
crazygambit
Member
This blew my mind. He basically announced it right there, but everyone missed it because of all the other awesome PS4 stuff.
The idea is that if I have the two devices set up in different rooms, can both devices access each other's full game library?
I ask because it would be equally nice to access my Vita games when it isn't in the room as it would be for my ps4 games.
Remote Play has always been PS4 -> Vita, never the other way around.
EdReedFan20
Member
On LNWJF, in terms of PS, they've shown of Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception, Killzone 3 (in 3D, only for Jimmy) , The Last of Us, Killzone: Shadow Fall, and Knack. Showing off games is one thing, getting important features out is another thing. For instance, I think Sony should have shown off Wonderbook to morning talk shows. That's the audience that needed to be targeted for that thing. It's actually fantastic in what it does and is capable of doing. It's perfect for the age group it's designed for. It was just shown off to the wrong audience. I'd say they did a good job getting info out about the PS4 when Mark Cerny showed the PS4 off on LNWJF. It also didn't hurt that Jimmy was just as confused about the XB1's limitations as most of us were. In fact, I think it was just days later that MS did it's 180.
TetraGenesis
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The Vita doesn't have a dedicated streaming chip so no, most likely. The reason the PS4 can stream to Vita is because the PS4 is doing all the work and the Vita is just receiving the image and sending back input signals. Unless they added a dedicated chip in the Vita TV (which I highly doubt is the case), then this wouldn't natively be possible.
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