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[Wickerbasket]

Jeeeez you sound like a loon. My posts weeks back in this thread were making fun of people's overreaction, but don't you think it's possible that people would be annoyed that a large, bright LED bar is shining on their display from their controller? Like, no one could possibly be annoyed by that unless they were a paid plant by Microsoft? Obviously this is a simple concern to address, but assuming that no one could feel that way without some opposing force motivating them is just nuts.

I think people are just surprised that there are some posters trying to make an issue out of something that no one, who's used the actual controller, has mentioned.

I mean, if it does turn out to be an issue then fair enough, but posting photos of people standing a foot away from shiny TVs doesn't really prove anything.

 

[Loakum]

In the very slim chance that it even is a major issue, then it can be patched out.

We'll know once we all get our hands on the console. Seriously though, I'm glad this is the biggest issue people have with the console because if this is all we have to worry about then things are going good.

I'm just not understanding the issue here. The light "bub" on the Playstation Move controller, don't turn off when used, and I've heard no complaints or problems caused by it. The dual shock 4 controller is basically the combination of the PS Move and Dual Shock controllers. I don't even see this as a problem, att all.

 

[Haunted]

Nobody is going to spend $500 on an XOne and not hook up the kinect. That's like a single person throwing out the backseat of their car because they don't anticipate anyone using it. It has a use, and I bet even the most staunch opposers will be using the kinect. It's the whole package; you want an Xbox one, you indirectly want a kinect.

I've never used the 360 webcam or HDDVD player even though they came with my system.

 

[BruiserBear]

I think people are just surprised that there are some posters trying to make an issue out of something that no one, who's used the actual controller, has mentioned.

I mean, if it does turn out to be an issue then fair enough, but posting photos of people standing a foot away from shiny TVs doesn't really prove anything.

I'll just quote myself from a few pages ago.

The vast majority of Move games were bright and colorful. Sports Champions for example.

This is quite simple. When the TV is displaying bright content it's not going to be possible to notice a bright light on your controller being reflected. But playing a dark game? Yes, that's when this is gonna be a problem.

For example, while playing a The Last of Us, a very dark game, I literally noticed the tiny LED light on my dual shock 3 from time to time. The light on the top of the dual shock 4 is massive in comparison. For people with reflective TVs, playing a dark game with the dual shock 4 is gonna be a nightmare.

The same media who don't notice all kinds of things on a regular basis. Because they haven't complained, YET, doesn't mean a thing to me. They've also been playing games in brightly lit show floors. It's not the same thing when you're playing a darker game at night in your home.

Please go to the previous page and see my post about Last of Us.

 

[antibolo]

Not thrilled about this.

I tried playing Resident Evil 5 with the Move controller, and that fucking bright light constantly being reflected by my TV was super distracting. Completely put me off.

And now they're telling us we'll be stuck with that light on our controllers 100% of the time.

 

[MajorasHalo]

Wow, complaining about a light? Now Ive seen it all.

It will be quite annoying to have a big light on at all times bro.

 

[Arklite]

I was worried about this myself until my new gaming mouse came in yesterday. It's got a blue LED on the front pointed straight at my monitor less than a foot away. No distractions, though I was playing well lit games. If I'd been playing the notoriously dark RE6 I think that would've been more noticeable. Anyways, after using this mouse I'm thinking the DS4's light won't be anywhere near as distracting as people fear.

Keep in mind that people play comfortably in the dark with stuff like this shining in front of their monitors

 

[Bgamer90]

This is completely ridiculous! The people complaining about the light need to find better things to do with their time. I sit about 6 feet away from my 55'' LED Samsung sometimes and the glare from the red LED on the PS3 controller NEVER bothers me. Get over it people.

Your setup / opinion of what's annoying =/= everyone else's

 

[Wickerbasket]

I'll just quote myself from a few pages ago.

I read what your wrote, I just think you're making a huge assumption that all the people who've tried the controller have all been playing in the same environmental setting.

And I'll repeat what I already said, if it really is an issue then once we've got our hands on it we can complain about it but there's literally zero evidence right now from people who've actually used the controller.

Nothing unreasonable about that.

 

[BruiserBear]

I read what your wrote, I just think you're making a huge assumption that all the people who've tried the controller have all been playing in the same environmental setting.

And I'll repeat what I already said, if it really is an issue then once we've got our hands on it we can complain about it but there's literally zero evidence right now from people who've actually used the controller.

Nothing unreasonable about that.

So if I noticed the dual shock 3's tiny LED light reflecting in my TV while playing The Last of Us, just tell me now, what do you think is gonna happen when I'm holding a dual shock 4 in my hands? Just give me a reasonable prediction.

 

[Wickerbasket]

So if I noticed the dual shock 3's tiny LED light reflecting in my TV while playing The Last of Us, just tell me now, what do you think is gonna happen when I'm holding a dual shock 4 in my hands?

Well, if the DS3 LED was an issue for you then you're probably going to have a problem with any sort of light source.

It sucks but, on the bright side, you probably have super hero level eye sight.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

I was worried about this myself until my new gaming mouse came in yesterday. It's got a blue LED on the front pointed straight at my monitor less than a foot away. No distractions, though I was playing well lit games. If I'd been playing the notoriously dark RE6 I think that would've been more noticeable. Anyways, after using this mouse I'm thinking the DS4's light won't be anywhere near as distracting as people fear.

Keep in mind that people play comfortably in the dark with stuff like this shining in front of their monitors

There is a slight difference between having lights near a screen and shining a light as the screen.

 

[turnbuckle]

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there are legit Microsoft people in this very thread trying to stir things back up. It's ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is this line being used as a blanket to condemn people who think this could be an issue.

I have 2 PS4's pre-ordered and won't be buying an Xbone for a long time, if ever. Feel free to look at my post history if you'd like. I hope you don't and I'm sure you wouldn't find it necessary to do so, but it's a bit irritating that people are getting called out for being shills if they say anything good or bad one way or the other on something.

It'd be just as easy to say some people who are waving this issue aside are legit Sony people. I don't believe that to be the case at all, but it's just as worthy an assertion to make as the one you did (which is to say it's not very worthy at all)

 

[mrklaw]

Again, have ANYBODY read ANY reports of the Playstation Move causing glare on anyone's tv? Right, me neither. The dual shock 4 controller is the same thing! This is a none issue people.

Move isn't a fair comparison though. You only use the move controller when you want motion controls in a game. Choosing to do that, you accept the massive glowing bulb on the end as part of that. So even if you did notice the reflection, you are less likely to complain about it.

The DS4 is your standard controller - it is used for everything. So if you couldn't turn the light off, it'd be in your face the whole time. I can completely agree that'd be annoying, but luckily Sony have already said devs can turn it off/dim it (I'd prefer they go a step further and make it opt-in rather than opt-out, but it's a start)

So if I noticed the dual shock 3's tiny LED light reflecting in my TV while playing The Last of Us, just tell me now, what do you think is gonna happen when I'm holding a dual shock 4 in my hands? Just give me a reasonable prediction.

considering the care and attention that ND game TLoU, they'd turn that light off straight away. They don't even ping up trophy unlocks until you complete the story.

 

[Arklite]

There is a slight difference between having lights near a screen and shining a light as the screen.

For sure, which is why I describe that my mouse is shining a light directly at my monitor. The image is just to illustrate that many people use LED ridden electronics at even closer ranges than console gamer would. YMMV though, maybe some people would never buy electronics with excessive LEDs.

 

[Live Free or Die]

It will be quite annoying to have a big light on at all times bro.

But how do you know? No one here has the system.

 

[Estocolmo]

Just open the controller and remove it! At least it's not always on in a Kinect way.

In a Kinect way? The Kinect isnt needed for the Xbox One to function.

 

[Zatoichi's Cane]

this is a complete disaster. Sony just lost next gen because of this miscalculation.

/s

 

[BruiserBear]

Well, if the DS3 LED was an issue for you then you're probably going to have a problem with any sort of light source.

It sucks but, on the bright side, you probably have super hero level eye sight.

OK, so now I've got super hero level eyesight because I can detect a red light reflecting on my TV screen. Yeah, this is a rational conversation right here.

There is a slight difference between having lights near a screen and shining a light as the screen.

There really isn't a difference. The MOVE light in the dual shock 4 is just like a dual shock wand. Only difference is the shape of the light.

But how do you know? No one here has the system.

Because some of us have experienced the dual shock 3's tiny LED light reflecting on our tvs already? Like I've posted about several times in the past few pages, and yet people like you completely skip all of the posts and just try deflecting this problem as non-existent.

 

[v0yce]

So if I noticed the dual shock 3's tiny LED light reflecting in my TV while playing The Last of Us, just tell me now, what do you think is gonna happen when I'm holding a dual shock 4 in my hands? Just give me a reasonable prediction.

You'll rant dramatically?

 

[Cartman86]

In a Kinect way? The Kinect isnt needed for the Xbox One to function.

Old post

 

[Jonboy]

What's ridiculous is this line being used as a blanket to condemn people who think this could be an issue.

I have 2 PS4's pre-ordered and won't be buying an Xbone for a long time, if ever. Feel free to look at my post history if you'd like. I hope you don't and I'm sure you wouldn't find it necessary to do so, but it's a bit irritating that people are getting called out for being shills if they say anything good or bad one way or the other on something.

It'd be just as easy to say some people who are waving this issue aside are legit Sony people. I don't believe that to be the case at all, but it's just as worthy an assertion to make as the one you did (which is to say it's not very worthy at all)

I completely agree and didn't intend it to serve as a blanket statement that "everyone who has a problem is a MS employee just stirring things up." Didn't mean that at all. There certainly seems to be some here who have legit concerns. Even so, it still wouldn't surprise me in the least if there were MS people around places like GAF and Reddit just trying to stir things up. We already had the story a few months back about MS employees trying to talk positively about Xbox One on twitter. I work in Marketing/PR. I know how this stuff works. Companies will resort to anything.

 

[Dunlop]

this is a complete disaster. Sony just lost next gen because of this miscalculation.

/s

So it is either the shill argument or complete exaggeration to dispel any complaints?

Nobody is any way shape or form implying that this will affect sales.

Once the PS4 is released the magic euphoria of the perfect gaming box and superman Cerny will be brought back to reality many issues will be uncovered like they are for every console since the beginning of time.

It would be awesome if people were allowed to discuss them.

I highlighted why this would be an issue for me in the real word: Plasma TV and basement and I would love the option to turn the light off as I see it as a mechanism for the camera that was cast aside at the last second and has absolutely no benefit to me

 

[pixlexic]

Mad catz light blocker snap on incoming.

 

[Monty Mole]

I think people are just surprised that there are some posters trying to make an issue out of something that no one, who's used the actual controller, has mentioned.

I mean, if it does turn out to be an issue then fair enough, but posting photos of people standing a foot away from shiny TVs doesn't really prove anything.

No one here will have been using the controller in their own home with the lights down low.

 

[turnbuckle]

Even so, it still wouldn't surprise me in the least if there were MS people around places like GAF and Reddit just trying to stir things up. We already had the story a few months back about MS employees trying to talk positively about Xbox One on twitter. I work in Marketing/PR. I know how this stuff works. Companies will resort to anything.

Oh yeah, absolutely. You'll see it from each of Sony, Nintendo, and MS as well as several other companies. It's also true these people are more likely to be juniors than posters who have been contributing for years. Not most juniors though, and it sucks when people talk down to them like a schoolyard bully.

 

[Gestault]

I read what your wrote, I just think you're making a huge assumption that all the people who've tried the controller have all been playing in the same environmental setting.

And I'll repeat what I already said, if it really is an issue then once we've got our hands on it we can complain about it but there's literally zero evidence right now from people who've actually used the controller.

Nothing unreasonable about that.

So you're saying people don't have grounds to be concerned that pointing a directional light toward their screen might be distracting, especially when playing in a darkened environment? I'm not feeling you on this one. That sounds like a reasonable thing to be concerned about, and if reacting to that now allows Sony to become aware that it's something people would like addressed (for example, a very simple firmware update), that is a *good thing.*

You responded to my pointing out that it seemed off-base to assume that if someone had this concern, it was likely they were a paid agent of Microsoft. You read that and thought "I need to object to this!" and clarified that people shouldn't make any comments about their concern that this might happen until they've played it. Something's wrong with your line of thinking. There is absolutely something unreasonable about that (allowing people to imagine likely shortfalls of products based on their descriptions), unless you believe that should be a general rule for all products. I hope you don't.

 

[Wickerbasket]

No one here will have been using the controller in their own home with the lights down low.

Which is exactly my point.

Why complain about something that we don't even know is an issue yet?

If it turns out to be an issue then we can complain about it and hopefully get it patched out.

So you're saying people don't have grounds to be concerned that pointing a directional light toward their screen might be distracting, especially when playing in a darkened environment? I'm not feeling you on this one. That sounds like a reasonable thing to be concerned about, and if reacting to that now allows Sony to become aware that it's something people would like addressed (for example, a very simple firmware update), that is a *good thing.*

You responded to my pointing out that it seemed off-base to assume that if someone had this concern, it was likely they were a paid agent of Microsoft. You read that and thought "I need to object to this!" and clarified that people shouldn't make any comments about their concern that this might happen until they've played it. Something's wrong with your line of thinking. There is absolutely something unreasonable about that (allowing people to imagine likely shortfalls of products based on their descriptions), unless you believe that should be a general rule for all products. I hope you don't.

Correction on the bolded, I replied to say that

I think people are just surprised that there are some posters trying to make an issue out of something that no one, who's used the actual controller, has mentioned.

which is true. No one who's used the controller has mentioned this issue. There's been no grounds for concern yet, other than a few photos of people standing 1 or 2 feet from the screen. The worst case scenario is that it turns out to be an issue and we complain until they patch it out.

Now, do I worry about issues that I don't think exist? No, course not. Will I complain if I experience the issue when I've got the controller? Of course I will.

 

[BadAss2961]

Just... tape the light if it's that bad?

 

[Beer Monkey]

I'll be taping it. What a horrid design. Glass plasma TVs reflect like a motherfucker.

 

[AzerPhire]

Sony GAF at it again! Can't be anything wrong with their PS4. LOL such jokers

Look no one is saying that it is a deal breaker or that it somehow makes the system worse. All people are asking for is a OS level setting to turn the light off as it can be a distraction while playing. And yes how big of a distraction comes down to the individual's TV, room, windows, etc. so it varies person to person.

I don't understand how their can be such argument over people wanting a setting to turn the light off. Yes, they said it can be turned off in-game but it is a hassle to have to do it for every game. And also does that mean it is mandatory for every game to have this option or is it up to the developers?

Edit - Just wanted to add that putting tape on a brand new $60 controller is the most ridiculous thing ever. I'd hate to see what the rest of your electronics and items in your house look like if you resort to things like that.

 

[useyourfist]

Some people have reflective TVs and play in the dark, including me, the moves reflection is very evident and annoying to me so I'm worried about the ds4.

It's great for those without a reflective tv but it is a real issue and by blindly trying to say we are all wrong, fanboys, or shills for being concerned are showing a great deal of ignorance.

And no taping hardware is not an acceptable fix for what may be a significant design oversight

 

[BruiserBear]

Which is exactly my point.

Why complain about something that we don't even know is an issue yet?

If it turns out to be an issue then we can complain about it and hopefully get it patched out.

Your intellectual dishonesty is embarrassing to watch. I've pointed out for you several times now that I know for a fact, without any qualifications that this will be a problem with my PS4 experience. I've given you concrete evidence to explain why I know this, and yet you continue to pretend you're not sure if this will affect anyone.

Oh, and the pics we've already seen posted, those don't matter either, because it's not in our houses yet. Child please. Just stop already.

 

[jett]

If you turn it off completely... how would you know if your controller is on?

Maybe by virtue of actually fucking working.

Or which controller is which?

I have a feeling this would only be a problem to people that suffer from Alzheimer's.

 

[GodofWine]

Oh lawd...this is back.

Screw next gen, Im getting a Retron5...

jay-kay

do people really point their controller at the screen?? its not the natural wrist position while gaming at all.

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

Seriously? Sony does everything right, but gets this wrong. This is stupid. No I'm not putting tape on my controller.

 

[Wickerbasket]

Your intellectual dishonesty is embarrassing to watch. I've pointed out for you several times now that I know for a fact, without any qualifications that this will be a problem with my PS4 experience. I've given you concrete evidence to explain why I know this, and yet you continue to pretend you're not sure if this will affect anyone.

Oh, and the pics we've already seen posted, those don't matter either, because it's not in our houses yet. Child please. Just stop already.

I don't know why you're resulting to insults. I'm not trying to dismiss your concerns, I've already said that it sucks for you but if you were bothered by the PS3 LED then there's not a lot that can be done given the design of both controllers; you're obviously very sensitive to light sources. I've never heard of the PS3 LED causing people concern, so you can obviously understand why I don't think the PS4 light will bother me either. You're obviously a fringe case, in regard to the PS3 LED light.

And I've already explained those pictures, as have many other people throughout the thread.

 

[useyourfist]

do people really point their controller at the screen?? its not the natural wrist position while gaming at all.

I face my tv when gaming, as does the pad. Am I doing it wrong?

 

[BruiserBear]

I don't know why you're resulting to insults. I'm not trying to dismiss your concerns, I've already said that it sucks for you but if you were bothered by the PS3 LED then there's not a lot that can be done given the design of both controllers; you're obviously very sensitive to light sources. I've never heard of the PS3 LED causing people concern, so you can obviously understand why I don't think the PS4 light will bother me either. You're obviously a fringe case, in regard to the PS3 LED light.

And I've already explained those pictures, as have many other people throughout the thread.

That was not an insult. It was an honest description of your behavior in this thread.

 

[AzerPhire]

I don't know why you're resulting to insults. I'm not trying to dismiss your concerns, I've already said that it sucks for you but if you were bothered by the PS3 LED then there's not a lot that can be done given the design of both controllers; you're obviously very sensitive to light sources. I've never heard of the PS3 LED causing people concern, so you can obviously understand why I don't think the PS4 light will bother me either. You're obviously a fringe case, in regard to the PS3 LED light.

And I've already explained those pictures, as have many other people throughout the thread.

It is an annoyance. Why is it so hard for you to understand that?

 

[Wickerbasket]

That is not an insult. That is a honest description of your behavior in this thread.

Well I'm sorry you feel that way.

It is an annoyance. Why is it so hard for you to understand that?

Read my previous posts, I do understand it. If it's an issue then we can complain about it if it affects us.

I'm not trying to dismiss people's complaints, but literally no one who's used the controller has said anything about it yet, and none of us have had a chance to use it yet.

I feel like I'm in opposite land, where somehow, impressions of the controller from people who've used it don't matter.

 

[OTIX]

I've also noticed the red DS3 LED reflection from time to time but it's so small that it's not an issue. I can imagine how a bigger light could be annoying though. My worry is that nothing will be done about it since it won't affect most people due to living room angles, lighting, etc.

Taping your controller is not the end of the world but it would be kinda silly.

 

[VanWinkle]

I face my tv when gaming, as does the pad. Am I doing it wrong?

Not wrong, but it seems counterproductive to have your arms aimed upward and controller faced outward, when it is more comfortable to have your arms rested against your legs and the controller facing slightly downward. In that use case, most people will not have this issue. It isn't like Move, where it acts like a cursor and requires you to point the controller at the TV.

 

[billy323]

I cant see this being a real issue at all, as the light, if reflected at all, will be mainly stationary if you don't concentrate on it I'm sure you wont really notice.
If it is a major issue to you then I'm sure the PS4 community wouldn't really miss you !

 

[cakefoo]

And I've already explained those pictures, as have many other people throughout the thread.

You didn't explain the pictures-- you (incorrectly) observed that the reflection was in-game, a typical misconception from people who rush to conclusions.

Lol, this feels like groundhog day.

I'll just point out the obvious like I did when these were first posted, the camera is recording the light and the aliens follow it in the video; it's part of a tech demo.

 

[Mugatu]

I don't think this would be an issue for me but I might be wrong.

I am surprised that there is no way for them to turn it off though.

 

[pixlexic]

Not wrong, but it seems counterproductive to have your arms aimed upward and controller faced outward, when it is more comfortable to have your arms rested against your legs and the controller facing slightly downward. In that use case, most people will not have this issue. It isn't like Move, where it acts like a cursor and requires you to point the controller at the TV.

The light is curved .. It's been design to be as noticeable to the camera as possible. Slightly facing down is still pointing at the tv.

also again it is the ammount of light that would be the problem. In a very dark room the smallest light is noticeable on the objects around it.

 

[hardvibes]

Fine for me.

You shouldn't play for many hours in a dark room anyway, it's bad for the eyes.

 

[Dead Man]

I cant see this being a real issue at all, as the light, if reflected at all, will be mainly stationary if you don't concentrate on it I'm sure you wont really notice.
If it is a major issue to you then I'm sure the PS4 community wouldn't really miss you !

LiquidMetal14, can I post again yet?

 

[Wickerbasket]

You didn't explain the pictures-- you (incorrectly) observed that the reflection was in-game.

Did you watch the video it's taken from? It's way back in the thread, when we originally discussed this and when I originally posted.

Seriously though, the thread feels like it's going around in circles.

Edit: I'm talking about a couple weeks back in the thread, that's how old those pictures are.