Also very positive things to say about the new voice quality over online chat which is a good sign since cross Xbox compatibility was sacrificed to make it so.
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XB1 Retail Version of Battlefield 4 Will Still Run at 720p, 60 FPS, EA Rep confirms
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Also very positive things to say about the new voice quality over online chat which is a good sign since cross Xbox compatibility was sacrificed to make it so.
R3TRODYCE
Member
Sounds good.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Different architecture. It isn't about 'wasting performance'.
In that situation they'd only see that console Y has the type of audience that would buy their game, and they'd end up doubling down on console Y and console X gets lower priority.
You'd only get an inquiry if all versions of the game sells like shit, in which EA would just shut down DICE, and whore out Respawn till they're dead.
I disagree with this, as in the case of X1 and PS4 the audience for both consoles is pretty much the same therefore cross platform games *should* sell similar numbers if the install base is similar. I'm sure EA also monitor gaming forums so if there was a suspicion of consumer boycott for whatever reason they would want to rectify this no?
seventynine
Member
Looked like screen tearing is present in that version, or maybe it's just the capture?
Edit: Mainly visible in the gun boat muzzle flashes and swapping in and out of menus.
What they measure as a "TFLOP" is different. Kind of like a metric ton v. a U.S. ton (metric ton is 2240 pounds, U.S. ton is 2000 pounds even).
Not only can you manipulate the kinds of floating point operations to get a different number, no two differing hardware components handle tasks with 100% identical algorithms (the key to how all this data is mathematically computed into something of worth).
AMD/ATi and Nvidia effectively have a different definition of what a floating point operation per second should constitute. The AMD/ATi numbers result in higher theoretical numbers, but in reality they're just a larger deviation from real world applications than Nvidia's model.
Some might argue that this suggests a superiority in Nvidia's model, I'm sure AMD/ATi would respond with one word: Mantle (with the implicit suggestion that Mantle will allow for their hardware to perform more closely to their theoretical bench marking than ever before).
Yes it does. Doesn't change the fact that the consoles are close to identical in power if you compare them to that 1200 dollar PC that junior was harping about a few pages back.
iamshadowlark
Banned
No, a teraflop is a teraflop. The difference is that AMD counts there's different.
childplease
Banned
AMD fluffs theirs.
I wouldn't say they aren't good at games development. Bear in mind that the other titles aren't running in 60fps with 64 players in the Frostbite engine. These things take their toll on performance. Maybe if there wasn't parity they would release it with 900p out of the development environment, but still they clearly want it these best it can be.
childplease
Banned
Everything in Bf4 is far more demanding or impressive than the stuff in those ps4 games.
If the ps4 version cannot run it at 1080p it is simply because the ps4 is not powerful enough for it. DICE is among the best developers when it comes to tech.
AMD drivers are fine.
If they are the same then I will not buy it.
Given the specs no way in the world they should be the same.
Hope its bombs on ps4 if this is true. the gaming media needs to call this out.
VanquishUK
Member
These posts have become even more predictable than the threads themselves.
Everyone is obsessing over this idea that Microsoft is going to 'money hat' developers to release, potentially, downgraded versions of their multiplat releases to make it look like there is no real power advantage on the PS4. As far as I'm aware, this idea came as a theory or an imagined scenario from an article on EDGE as what could happen and it seems to have grown arms, legs and teeth with people making promises of boycotting releases. It just seems like one hell of a reaction to nothing whatsoever.
Considering in the current gen, multiplat games currently show various performance differences between the platforms that it would seem strange for these developers to suddenly start undercooking their games at an attempt to keep in Microsoft's good books. Microsoft may have deep pockets, but not enough to buy off every multiplat developer out there.
Has anyone here even considered that DICE's meaning of the word 'parity' simply means ensuring that the XOne version will be at least on par with the PS4 version - assuming that the PS4 version is running smoother than the XOne version, rather than assuming they will release an inferior PS4 version to match the underdeveloped Xone version? This is all making the assumption that there is going to be a huge gulf in performance between the two versions anyway.
Or, how about their meaning of the word 'parity' mean running at same FPS and resolution only, but the PS4 may have better textures compared to the XOne. Yes, I'm oversimplifying things, but hopefully people get my point.
The fact of the matter is, there is so much cloak and dagger shit going on just now that everyone is running mostly on rumours, whispers and probably bias. Until the day of release for both platforms and games come and go or the Press get some unrestricted access to all these games and their developers and give us some unbiased reports, we are never really going to know how well the two versions will actually play.
Considering in the current gen, multiplat games currently show various performance differences between the platforms that it would seem strange for these developers to suddenly start undercooking their games at an attempt to keep in Microsoft's good books. Microsoft may have deep pockets, but not enough to buy off every multiplat developer out there.
Has anyone here even considered that DICE's meaning of the word 'parity' simply means ensuring that the XOne version will be at least on par with the PS4 version - assuming that the PS4 version is running smoother than the XOne version, rather than assuming they will release an inferior PS4 version to match the underdeveloped Xone version? This is all making the assumption that there is going to be a huge gulf in performance between the two versions anyway.
Or, how about their meaning of the word 'parity' mean running at same FPS and resolution only, but the PS4 may have better textures compared to the XOne. Yes, I'm oversimplifying things, but hopefully people get my point.
The fact of the matter is, there is so much cloak and dagger shit going on just now that everyone is running mostly on rumours, whispers and probably bias. Until the day of release for both platforms and games come and go or the Press get some unrestricted access to all these games and their developers and give us some unbiased reports, we are never really going to know how well the two versions will actually play.
Possibly because they are launching on 5 platforms, so once you get one to perform 'properly' they may have to shift assets to pitch in on those more difficult to make 'proper' versions.
I would assume if time permits, they would shine up versions they could, but this is a launch game and I doubt there is much ping pong and coffee breaks in the office right now.
I would think they could optimize via a patch though at some point? maybe?
It's so stupid.
FlyStarJay
Member
hope the game bombs. I will be looking at call of duty. if its full 1080p60 then i am going for that
EA/DICE needs to be taught a lesson
EA/DICE needs to be taught a lesson
...and this sort of comment, I don't understand either.
If the game ships, and isn't 1080p is the game suddenly going to be rubbish? is it going to be unplayable?
The only person you will be punishing will be yourself.
Call of duty is a lot less demanding with a far smaller scale. Same as killzone. There are reasons for everything, and those reasons don't usually involve conspiracies.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Woah. Easy there buddy. You know as much as anyone else does in this thread, which is not a whole lot.
For what reason? Pathetic hyperbole GAF at its finest because of a resolution? I've played many games at low resolutions and had heaps of fun.
Enjoy your call of duty, Imma be diving off some skyscrapers into some tanks!
dragonelite
Member
We know on average the ps4 is 50% more powerful then the X1 and if the X1 is 720p.
Then why are people expecting 1080p?
1080p is an 225% increase in pixels, Hell 900p for ps4 version would already be pushing it since 900p is 56% more pixels.
Unless my math failed?
Then why are people expecting 1080p?
1080p is an 225% increase in pixels, Hell 900p for ps4 version would already be pushing it since 900p is 56% more pixels.
Unless my math failed?
BruiserBear
Banned
They made a bad business call. Sony had no advantage here, and somehow they got it right. That's because Sony's priorities were in the right place.
Felix Lighter
Member
If MS was mandating parity, this would be their dream scenario.
mrlovepump
Neo Member
I actually did a test on my pc recently where I ran a benchmark within a game at 720, 900 and 1080. I took screendumps with Fraps and then used gimp to scale them up to 1080p just like the consoles will.
To be fair the difference is not that big. 720 to 1080 is certainly a bit blurry at PC playing distance but when I output it to a TV with a 2.5m sitting distance the difference was really not as drastic as one might think. 900 to 1080 in a living room setting almost gets into subjectiveness.
While I think 720 is an over compromise I will certainly take 900 for better effects or a solid frame rate from what I have seen in my experiments.
To be fair the difference is not that big. 720 to 1080 is certainly a bit blurry at PC playing distance but when I output it to a TV with a 2.5m sitting distance the difference was really not as drastic as one might think. 900 to 1080 in a living room setting almost gets into subjectiveness.
While I think 720 is an over compromise I will certainly take 900 for better effects or a solid frame rate from what I have seen in my experiments.
and with console/TV scalers being a lot better than GIMP, I think a lot of people will have a really hard time telling the difference.
You can't apply a simple percentage increase to results. These systems are more complicated then that.
mrlovepump
Neo Member
I dont disagree. From where I sit I see two different approaches. Lets not forget these are businesses and Sony is only on the side of the H/C gamer while it strategically suits them. MS and Sony are exactly the same lets not be under any illusions.
Sony's approach is win the H/Cs in the masses. Use sheep syndrome and word of mouth to spread the system to the general masses. How they will go about evolving the PS4 to be usable by mum and dad as a media access point (both companies end game) yet remains to be seen.
The MS approach seems more direct but in doing so they have alienated the vocal minority they need to get the traction required before the general masses get interested.
Just the way I see their plans. This all comes with the usual caveat that it may all be just my delusional fantasy.
Sorry bro, the Circle Jerk has already started, and there is no stopping it.
How? No one is going to buy the xbone because of this over the PS4. More people will hate MS for doing this and may never buy xbone because of this.
Yes dream scenario....lol
Its not that simple. Any way you look at it there should be some differences given the huge performance differences.
iJudged
Banned
Not kidding here, x1 pre-order canceled, looking for a ps4 to pre-order, any ideas? I need 2 since my boy just did the same, I just can't take all the negative shit anymore, plus I get to play next gen now a week earlier. Was going to get the ps4 somewhere around Feb, no any more.
1080p is only a 125% increase in pixels., it is 225% of the pixels of 720p but only a 125% increase.
A more relevant number for the PS4 would probably be the pixel fill rate which is 90% higher than the xb1. As well as that, it's easier to get performance from the PS4 due to the esram etc..
EDIT: I should clarify my expectations: XB1:720p PS4 900p. If the difference is 720p and 1080p then it would mean to me the xb1 is much more difficult to work with.
Laughing_Man__
Neo Member
That's the PC version. He was talking over footage that was captured and had the ability to show n
This ( if you like Leadbetter ) :
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ryse-runs-at-900p
Developer sources have also suggested that the 32MB of ESRAM - the fast scratchpad memory for high-speed graphics processing - may favour lower resolution render targets. This is a topic we hope to return to soon with some hard data from on-the-record sources.
Felix Lighter
Member
Nope, the people doing the boycotting certainly wouldn't buy an Xbox One but this would be hurting PS4 3rd party sales. So instead of simply not making the Xbox One look worse to the general public, they would also be getting people to refuse to buy the title on the competing platform. Whatever percentage of people actually refusing to buy titles that are not massive improvements on PS4 would likely be too small to make a serious impact but it doesn't help Sony, that is for sure and these aren't gamers looking to ever buy an Xbox One anyway.
If you are in USA check walmarts, best buys and kmarts. Walmart just started doing pre orders a couple weeks ago.
Well looks like a lot of people are going to cancel bf4 and get something else. It not like we are not buying games. I have bf4 preordered and if this is true i will just buy killzone.
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dragonelite
Member
What is so complicated computing needs scale with pixels for the most part.
it would almost definitely be 32 bit colour depth. We could make the case it wouldn't fit in 32mb depending on the techniques used, for example with 4xFSAA and 1080p we'd be looking at:
Back Buffer:
1920x1080 [Resolution] * 32 [Bits Per Pixel] * 4[FSAA Depth]
= 265420800 bits = 31.6MB
Depth Buffer:
1920x1080 [Resolution] * 32 [24Bit Z, 8Bit Stencil] * 4 [FSAA Depth]
= 265420800 bits = 31.6MB
Front Buffer:
1920x1080 [Resolution] * 32 [24Bit Z, 8Bit Stencil]
= 66355200 bits = 7.91MB
Total Memory Requirements:
31.6 + 31.6 + 7.91 = 71.11MB
It's not quite as simple as you put it.
Without the AA you'd be looking at around 24mb.
And TVs are designed with that in mind. They're made to refresh at that already.Same way movies work on tvs. since movies are 24 fps.
tv doesnt care it has a fix refresh rate. 30/60/120/240 hz
The hobbit was filmed in 48 fps btw
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
The funny thing about all of this is that I enjoyed (despite the glitches and i'm more of a cod fan anyways) but I enjoyed BF 3 on my 360.
There's going to be double the people and double the frames per second on the new one. I'm pretty sure I'm going to enjoy this one much more than the last one. It's all about 60fps and the 32 vs 32 with vehicles and jets and choppers.
Seems like the new generation of gaming fans are really hooked on 2 things right now. Indies and resolutions. The games are going to be fun. Enjoy them. If not just get one of those great PC's. Then there's nothing to complain about.
There's going to be double the people and double the frames per second on the new one. I'm pretty sure I'm going to enjoy this one much more than the last one. It's all about 60fps and the 32 vs 32 with vehicles and jets and choppers.
Seems like the new generation of gaming fans are really hooked on 2 things right now. Indies and resolutions. The games are going to be fun. Enjoy them. If not just get one of those great PC's. Then there's nothing to complain about.
He's saying if they downgrade the PS4 version down to 720p for political reasons then he would boycott. That's understandable.
Supposedly the GTX 660 will be able to run BF4 at 1080p 60fps with decent settings.
Why would a GTX 660 (1.9 tflops) be able to run BF4 at 1080p 60fps and the PS4 would have to run it at 720p 60fps?
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