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[coolasj19]

So its not censored then? This game wasn't on my radar until I played the demo but if its censored I don't want to get it.

Has got to be a joke... Nearly all games visions have to be altered to fit things like ratings. I suppose you won't buy anything else now...

I did read but, I dont live in the EU so I don't visit the EU blog, so I didnt know there was a post on the EU blog about it.

It was in the first post. No need to get all uppity.

People have picked the oddest thing to get concerned over. What, is Quantic Dream the last ultimate bastion of creative freedom we have left? Or should the media have used a softer title like substituting the word "Censored" to "Altered"? Or even better,"Changed".

 

[Dash Kappei]

I really wish Amazon had a 'why are you cancelling' box. If Amazon say "we lost 30,000 orders due to this", then Sony might think twice in future. In reality of course I'm probably one of 30.

Uh, there is. Or at least for some EU Amazon retailers there is, like Amazon.it to name one.

 

[system11]

pathetic.

not one official confirmation that the us release has any censorship. one german site does not account to anything.

even if there were censored things, at best they are cosmetically-altered i.e. less blood, less violent, less something. trivial things that will not affect either gameplay or story.

the european release has altered scenes of 5-10 seconds. let EmptySpace repeat that: 5-10 seconds in a 13-hour game.

cancelling an order over those is just plain and utterly pathetic. no one is going to lose sleep over a 5-10 seconds worth of altered scenes, just as no one cancels their movie tickes when movies have minutes edited out of the theatrical release.

Principles matter. Mine include not supporting petty censorship, which is why I won't buy a local EU release of a game which I /know/ is more complete elsewhere. I'm sorry if my purchasing decisions offend you, but it is my money, and I choose to pay twice as much for 15 seconds more. Half of my film collection has been an exercise in collecting those extra seconds here and there.

 

[WarrenMax007]

Sony Russia today confirmed that despite we got censored Europe version of GOW:A and TLOU and Twisted Metal, Beyond will be uncut like in US, HELL YEAH!

 

[famousmortimer]

There's an awful lot of outrage over speculation in this thread. I need that this is neogaf gif please.

 

[dragonbane]

There's an awful lot of outrage over speculation in this thread. I need that this is neogaf gif please.

NeoGAF members are the most talented when it comes to cancelling pre-orders over nothing

Oh by the way, since you liked the demo you are probably hoping to eat crow on this one:

I think Beyond is going to bomb both critically and sales.

I have to admit, you kinda made me feel uneasy with that statement, but it looks like you don't know more than anybody else on this so I'm happy again

 

[WilyRook]

Another day, another import for a sexually deviant piece of erotic art.

Spoiler

kidding

demo impressed. I like the potential for what they could do with that floating tethered presence who seems to have free and fairly far-reaching reign over any given environment. It's a good mechanic for a game (or call it whatever you please) constructed like heavy rain. I just hope they've come up with interesting situations to take advantage of that.

Anyway, this isn't the impressions thread. Unless you're thinking what I'm thinking

Spoiler

winkwinknudgenudge

 

[fu3lfr3nzy]

So EU cuts out violence, and US cuts out 'erotic scenes'?

Hah, EU wins.

EU wins! I don't give a shit about the part that was censored for Europe.

EU > US

Keep your violence! Well keep the sex! SCEE being Best Sony again!

This is so lame. Well, at least Europe gets the better deal

Why does Sony value the PEGI rating so highly as opposed to pretty much any other publisher, making it impossible to get an uncut version throughout the entire EU?

Looks like we're getting the better deal at least.

thank god I'm in Europe.

Hate to say it, but EU got the better compromise.

At least we're not Australia lolololol

EU>US indeed....oh wait

Lenta.ru apparently just talked to some Sony reps and they said that the NA version is uncut and Russia would be getting the same version as the US (so uncut as well).

http://lenta.ru/news/2013/10/01/beyond/

So NA is uncut and EU has 10 seconds worth of edits that reduces some unnecessary and gratuitous violence (which the whole development team agreed upon). Sounds fine to me!

 

[Yoshichan]

FFFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffffffffffffffffff

 

[Ulumsk]

So their biggest mistake is opening their mouth in the first place. I'm not one to support anyone getting their artistic vision compromised, but if it's 10 seconds of graphic violence on one hand and potentially a wider audience on the other I'm sure they'll make the right choice.

 

[The perfect Dark]

Sony Russia today confirmed that despite we got censored Europe version of GOW:A and TLOU and Twisted Metal, Beyond will be uncut like in US, HELL YEAH!

The US version isn't uncut.

Don't believe Sony....ever.

edit: Wait...sarcasm?

 

[Domstercool]

It actually makes me wonder how much of a difference the age rating from 18 to 16 would be. Do parents really care between those two age gaps? Actually, do parents even care at all, lol. Doesn't look like it with all the kid having Call of Duty and GTA, and the fact that you can get a debit card at 16 and buy 18 rated games online.

 

[Maastricht]

Because video games are for kids.

No, because US thinks sex is more dangerous to 17-18 year olds, and the EU (though mostly Germany afaik) thinks violence is more dangerous to 17-18 year olds.

They should just make a game system that allows a game to look at the age and nationality of the logged on user and shows certain scenes or not depending ...

 

[Canis lupus]

There's an awful lot of outrage over speculation in this thread. I need that this is neogaf gif please.

All for just 5-10 seconds lol.

 

[coolasj19]

So their biggest mistake is opening their mouth in the first place. I'm not one to support anyone getting their artistic vision compromised, but if it's 10 seconds of graphic violence on one hand and potentially a wider audience on the other I'm sure they'll make the right choice.

Considering the way this thread is unfolding... Can I ask you for a clarification? On the other hand... Maybe it's better if there's not.

It actually makes me wonder how much of a difference the age rating from 18 to 16 would be. Do parents really care between those two age gaps? Actually, do parents even care at all, lol. Doesn't look like it with all the kid having Call of Duty and GTA, and the fact that you can get a debit card at 16 and buy 18 rated games online.

Considering how M rated games need adults to buy it, I would say it does have an impact. How much of one? I dunno.

 

[dragonbane]

So their biggest mistake is opening their mouth in the first place. I'm not one to support anyone getting their artistic vision compromised, but if it's 10 seconds of graphic violence on one hand and potentially a wider audience on the other I'm sure they'll make the right choice.

Well they didn't open their mouth. No one on the development team cares about these changes or feels that the game or their artistic vision has been compromised in any way. One random dude asked a German Sony rep and he said that the German version would be slightly changed. This then turned into "censored".

The US version isn't uncut.

Don't believe Sony....ever.

edit: Wait...sarcasm?

No. Sony Russia confirmed RU version is uncut, just as the US version.

 

[EGM1966]

Y'know, now it's confirmed all changes are minimal and were agreed by QD/Sony the title of this thread is now incorrect. Nothing has been censored. We can argue if Sony/QD sold out their vision to get a rating now but we can be clear nothing has been censored.

 

[tranciful]

I wish they'd offer specifics on what was changed.

 

[Bittercup]

Y'know, now it's confirmed all changes are minimal and were agreed by QD/Sony the title of this thread is now incorrect. Nothing has been censored. We can argue if Sony/QD sold out their vision to get a rating now but we can be clear nothing has been censored.

I don't think censored was ever meant literally. Neither PEGI nor USK or those rating organisation in US and Australia censor games. It's always the developers/publishers who cut their games because otherwise they wouldn't get the rating they want. It's still exactly the same thing with all the other games that get altered versions like low violence versions for Germany, no drugs in Australia etc. Just because QD/Sony say they are fine with self-censoring their game doesn't make it any different. The only question is, how much will it affect the game and if one is ok with those changes.
It sounds like it's nothing major so I'll stick with my pre-order but I'm disappointed and since it's now the forth time that Sony cut their games for Europe in recent times I'm not happy about their approach.

 

[AutumnAve]

"Are you sure you want to download Tits and Asses DLC pack for £4.99?"

EA did something similar with one of their titles, if I remember right.

 

[Reule]

EA did something similar with one of their titles, if I remember right.

The Saboteur, I believe.

 

[Tohsaka]

EA did something similar with one of their titles, if I remember right.

Yeah, it was The Saboteur.

 

[Psi]

I'm in the US and while I'd rather have more boobs and less gore, I can't help but remember that I felt two of the most powerful scenes in Xenosaga Ep III were ruined because they removed the blood. I'll probably just get the US version I guess.

 

[AutumnAve]

The Saboteur, I believe.

Yeah, it was The Saboteur.

Ah, that's right. I didn't want to go googling some reckless T&A search terms on the university network in one of the computer labs.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

What about the asian (Region 3) version?

Everyone is being made ten years younger to appeal to local tastes in both erotic and violence scenes.

 

[Lordwindowlicker]

Censorship = no purchase

 

[EmptySpace]

Censorship = no purchase

reading = helps a lot.

beyond two souls = no censorship.

hopefully someone can already close this thread because

1) the eu version has altered scenes, not censored. and at 5-10 seconds maximum in this 10-15 hour game.

2) no indication that us version has altered or censored scenes.

 

[Melchiah]

Sony Russia today confirmed that despite we got censored Europe version of GOW:A and TLOU and Twisted Metal, Beyond will be uncut like in US, HELL YEAH!

Wut?! What was censored in GOW:A and TLOU?

 

[Live Free or Die]

Has got to be a joke... Nearly all games visions have to be altered to fit things like ratings. I suppose you won't buy anything else now...

I dont even.....

It was in the first post. No need to get all uppity.

It wasnt in the first post when I read it. I wasnt the one who had the smart reply.

People have picked the oddest thing to get concerned over. What, is Quantic Dream the last ultimate bastion of creative freedom we have left? Or should the media have used a softer title like substituting the word "Censored" to "Altered"? Or even better,"Changed".

you got to settle down man. Have some fun.

 

[JWong]

Where do I need to go for the director's cut?

South America? Russia?

 

[UrbanRats]

Wut?! What was censored in GOW:A and TLOU?

I think LOU missed some gore in multiplayer.
I don't know about GoW.

 

[Arukado]

the eu version has altered scenes, not censored. and at 5-10 seconds maximum in this 10-15 hour game.

Altered scenes = censorship, specially when they did it to reduce the age rating. And it sucks.

 

[Hunter-Zero]

reading = helps a lot.

beyond two souls = no censorship.

hopefully someone can already close this thread because

1) the eu version has altered scenes, not censored. and at 5-10 seconds maximum in this 10-15 hour game.

2) no indication that us version has altered or censored scenes.

Dude, altering or changing scenes to hide something is censorship, it does not matter if those changes are just a few seconds in the whole game.

 

[dragonbane]

Altered scenes = censorship, specially when they did it to reduce the age rating. And it sucks.

Everyone who played it has said so far that the changes are for the better, because the violence is absolutely unnecessary and gratuitous the way it is used. Even the dev team feels that way. So I couldn't care less. If the devs are fine with it, I'm fine with it.

 

[seattle6418]

I think it's sad that censorship is still happening in this day and age. If the game isn't appropriate for a certain age bracket, then maybe they should not sell it to that age bracket instead of editing it to make it appear as though it is fit for that age bracket when it's not.

True, and i can´t wait for Adult only games.

Serious talk aside, europe gets nudity and US gets violence. Seems fitting. I´ll have to find the euro version of this one to check out digital Ellen.

 

[Noray]

You know, I'm fine with this kind of thing, it's not the cutting of a few seconds that bothers me. What bothers me is David Cage continuously saying that he wants to make games for adults with mature themes... only to turn around and cut some stuff so he can sell to a wider (younger) audience.

 

[dragonbane]

You know, I'm fine with this kind of thing, it's not the cutting of a few seconds that bothers me. What bothers me is David Cage continuously saying that he wants to make games for adults with mature themes... only to turn around and cut some stuff so he can sell to a wider (younger) audience.

What? He (or rather Sony) is slightly toning down some violence. Nothing more. Violence != mature. Mature themes are something completely different. CoD has a shitload of violence and is not really mature.

Also, Cage is fighting against rating boards and is giving talks at GDC speaking out about it constantly. But there is only so much he can do.

 

[Moxx19]

The only thing that the Australian Classification Board is strict about is drug use.

If at any time in any game there is a named substance that is of benefit to the player using it, it must be refused classification.

Other than that, throw in all the violence and nudity you want.

 

[Special C]

This isn't about censorship, it's about getting a game to a certain rating so parents are more comfortable with their kids buying it, thus more sales.

A Parent may not let their kids play a "M" game. But what Adult is going to look at a game and say "omg it's not rated M I don't want it"

 

[fred]

Ridiculous. The BBFC and ESRB censorship completely ruined Manhunt 2. The Uncut Wii version was one of the best games (not) released last gen. It was brilliant.

 

[Devilgunman]

Pegi 16 audience > Pegi 18 audience... I also don't get it.

Does it really matter anymore? I saw a kid bought GTAV before or their parent could get it for him.

 

[-Alligator-]

Everyone who played it has said so far that the changes are for the better, because the violence is absolutely unnecessary and gratuitous the way it is used. Even the dev team feels that way. So I couldn't care less. If the devs are fine with it, I'm fine with it.

I wonder who exactly has said that the changes are for the better? Have you talked to some testers or devs?

 

[dragonbane]

I wonder who exactly has said that the changes are for the better? Have you talked to some testers or devs?

He was QA on the game:

If this 5-10sec censorship is what I'm thinking it was, then I'm glad it is getting/has been removed.

One GAF reviewer played the censored version and said it was perfectly fine. He described the scene and the description of the uncut scene sounds absolutely brutal without any plot reason. The executive producer (!) already forgot they even made these changes (they were done a long time ago) and doesn't think this is a big deal at all. He even says that it wasn't "censored" from his perspective.

 

[-Alligator-]

Thanks dragonbane for the quick response! I have one more question: on the ps blog it was said that two scenes were edited, but in a Sony statement to videogamer.com they said that three changes were made. Has it been confirmed which is actually true, were there two or three changes?

 

[Mesoian]

What's the under-over on these nude scenes being completely gratuitous and out of place?

 

[coolasj19]

Has got to be a joke... Nearly all games visions have to be altered to fit things like ratings. I suppose you won't buy anything else now...

I dont even.....

Wait. Did I say that? That's goddamn stupid. I'm sorry...
I plead that I was browsing the internet when I was sleepy. I say retarded shit when I'm sleepy.

 

[Lordwindowlicker]

reading = helps a lot.

beyond two souls = no censorship.

When I read the OP, there was NO mention of there not being any censorship in the game.

So quit being so defensive.

 

[bengraven]

Wait, they cut some tits or ass from a David Cage game?

How shocking.

 

[Sylver]

Principles matter. Mine include not supporting petty censorship.

.

 

[dragonbane]

Thanks dragonbane for the quick response! I have one more question: on the ps blog it was said that two scenes were edited, but in a Sony statement to videogamer.com they said that three changes were made. Has it been confirmed which is actually true, were there two or three changes?

3 subtle visual changes in two scenes