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[nilbog21]

Sounds like you have some trashy family members. It's always been common sense to put the animal down after an incident.

how the fuck is that common sense? what are you guys talking about? It's not like the pit bull ate teh fucking kid in a fit of rage and madness. Pit bulls arent commonly around infants (Gee, I wonder why) so they can be easily confused/disgruntled, and as high energy dogs who are not cared for properly (probably the case) they can easily can easily bite by reflex, since after all it is a massive fucking animal that has developed over millions of years the massive fucking jaw and teeth it has that allows it slaughter infants effortlessly. OP, why the fuck are you leaving your 1 year old son close enough to a pit bull to get beaten in the face?

i can't believe the shit i'm reading in this thread

 

[Takuan]

Dogs can get over-attached/overprotective. My dad got a dog, and it was fine up until it got super-defensive of my sister and ended up biting one of her friends. Luckily, it was just a small one on the arm, but that was the end of that.

Yeah, especially a St. Bernard, they're fiercely loyal dogs. Based on what the poster described, it sounds as though it spent most of its time with the mother or out in the yard alone, not really having exposure to others. Kinda understandable why it was so unapproachable/unfriendly, and disappointing that his mom felt her only solution was to put him down.

 

[Jimothy]

I think this is one of the reasons I'm more of cat person these days. The worst thing a cat can do is give you a couple minor scratches, while a dog can bite your god damn face off. The last dog I lived with was a black German shepherd. Thing looked straight out of those pictures of dog special forces. He seemed pretty friendly until he almost bit my dad's thumb off. Even though most dogs are gentle, you can never tell when some dogs will just snap and that's part of the reason I'm uncomfortable about them.

 

[MThanded]

I believe all dogs should be watched around small children. Cats too. Even if cats are less dangerous they are still animals.

 

[geebee]

That is ridiculous and highly insulting.

Breed profiling can't be compared to racial profiling?

 

[kirblar]

I think this is one of the reasons I'm more of cat person these days. The worst thing a cat can do is give you a couple minor scratches, while a dog can bite your god damn face off. The last dog I lived with was a black German shepherd. Thing looked straight out of those pictures of dog special forces. He seemed pretty friendly until he almost bit my dad's thumb off. Even though most dogs are gentle, you can never tell when some dogs will just snap and that's part of the reason I'm uncomfortable about them.

The solution of course: More Corgis!

 

[Sanjuro]

how the fuck is that common sense? what are you guys talking about? It's not like the pit bull ate teh fucking kid in a fit of rage and madness. Pit bulls arent commonly around infants (Gee, I wonder why) so they can be easily confused/disgruntled, and as high energy dogs who are not cared for properly (probably the case) they can easily can easily bite by reflex, since after all it is a massive fucking animal that has developed over millions of years the massive fucking jaw and teeth it has that allows it slaughter infants effortlessly. OP, why the fuck are you leaving your 1 year old son close enough to a pit bull to get beaten in the face?

i can't believe the shit i'm reading in this thread

It's been common sense since forever. The only thing I can decipher from your ranting is you believe it's less serious because the dog bit a child and not an adult, which is absurd.

Once a family pet violently attacks anyone, it's game over. If you don't take responsibility for your pet, you probably shouldn't own one to begin with.

 

[Riki]

Breed profiling can't be compared to racial profiling?

You don't breed people for certain traits. You do with dogs.
Dog breeds exist because people wanted animals with very specific traits. Pit Bulls were bred to be hunt and attack dogs. They are naturally aggressive. They were bred to be.
People are not.

 

[Wazzy]

Wrong. I have known 5 separate pit bulls, and all of them had to be put down for unprovoked biting.

One of them happened right in front of me. I was walking down the street with my friend, and she wanted to get a slice of pizza. She hands me the leash, and we're standing outside the pizza place. An old couple is hobbling by, and out of the blue the pit jumps up and takes a chunk out of the old man's arm. I couldn't believe it. And, of course, this pit was "the sweetest thing that would never hurt a fly" before.

They were just slowly walking by, about 2 feet in front of the dog. I don't think they even realized there was a dog there until it was ripping his arm off. It really sucked for me, because I was holding the leash. I didn't know what to do, and the woman is shrieking in horror.

Seriously. Ticking time bomb is exactly what these things are.

It's like having a loaded gun and insisting on throwing it on the ground everywhere you go. People complain and you say "awww the safety is on lol it's no big deal".

Sounds to me like the dog is poorly trained if its just lashing out at someone walking by.

There's no proof for this "switch" or even that it's common like you and many other posters claim other than anecdotal evidence. I've worked and been around tons of pitbulls who had great owners and none of them snapped.

I'm not going to act like it's impossible for a dog to snap because anything can. My issue is acting like there's a "switch" with this specific breed and then completely ignoring factors such as training and whether or not they're neutered/spayed.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I believe all dogs should be watched around small children. Cats too. Even if cats are less dangerous they are still animals.

I'm with this. Cats maybe even moreso than dogs. For many of the same reasons as brought up in the thread: small children don't really have a concept of how scary/painful the fuzzy cute things can be, and the animals are still fucking animals at their core, and not the greatest at skills like "reasoning" or "tolerance."

 

[blainethemono]

My GF has a bulldog/mastiff mix. Fuckin' huge ass dog. We were walking him around, sweetest thing ever imaginable.

A few hours later, we were sitting at the table, and he comes up to me, before i could go to pet him as usual, he lunges right at my neck. I dodged back and he caught a small bit of flesh, nothing dire. Thinking i did something to piss him off, i left him alone for a bit. a few hours later, the same thing, came up to me calm, and suddenly went for my neck again. We put him outside. From that point on, he would growl at me whenever he saw me. He even snapped at my GF and her parents a few times. He seemed to go off at the most random moments.

Eventually they got him neutered and hired a trainer. He seems to be doing much better and seemingly doesnt want to murder me at will. I am comfortable around him, but will ALWAYS be cautious around him. He is pretty sweet (and incredibly clumsy) but i will never forget his behavior, and have a reminder on my neck.

Neutering/spaying and training is the biggest part of it. I think something like 86% of dogs that attack people are intact and either abused or badly trained. There are very few reports of fixed pitbulls that were raised as family dogs attacking people

 

[geebee]

You don't breed people for certain traits. You do with dogs.
Dog breeds exist because people wanted animals with very specific traits. Pit Bulls were bred to be hunt and attack dogs. They are naturally aggressive. They were bred to be.
People are not.

History would say otherwise.

 

[ido]

This reads like the St. Bernard was never properly socialized and was put to death the moment it became an inconvenience.

Well, without a lot of back story, I guess I cannot fault you for assuming that.

I actually picked out the dog, and while it was a puppy and being raised, it was very tame. I'm not exactly sure if this particular dog had some kind of mental problem, but once he was grown he became impossible to be around, unless you were my mother.

My mother had this dog for years, and out of all of the animals she has ever owned(dozens and dozens) he was her favorite. She is very experienced with raising dogs/horses, etc. She owned many large breeds such as Huskys and St. Bernards, and trained them extremely well. She is quite literally the definition of an animal lover, and putting this dog down haunts her to this day, so I can assure you this dog was trained and socialized.

But nobody wanted him, and he didn't want anybody else. She was moving to a different state and would not have the land available to properly contain him, and she KNEW that he would attack people completely unprovoked(he once escaped her grasp while she was walking him and attempted to fight and attack the cows that were next to my mothers land). He was probably about seven years old whenever he was put down(which is a bit on the old side for a St.)

 

[Dark Octave]

I believe all dogs should be watched around small children. Cats too. Even if cats are less dangerous they are still animals.

HAH!!

 

[mr2xxx]

Neutering/spaying and training is the biggest part of it. I think something like 86% of dogs that attack people are intact and either abused or badly trained. There are very few reports of fixed pitbulls that were raised as family dogs attacking people

So females are less likely to attack a person?

 

[blainethemono]

So females are less likely to attack a person?

http://www.americanhumane.org/animals/stop-animal-abuse/fact-sheets/dog-bites.html

• An estimated 4.7 million dog bites occur in the U.S. each year
• Nearly 800,000 dog bites require medical care
• Approximately 92% of fatal dog attacks involved male dogs, 94% of which were not neutered
• Approximately 25% of fatal dog attacks involved chained dogs
• Approximately 71% of bites occur to the extremities (arms, legs, hands, feet)
• Approximately two-thirds of bites occurred on or near the victim’s property, and most victims knew the dog
• The insurance industry pays more than $1 billion in dog-bite claims each year
• At least 25 different breeds of dogs have been involved in the 238 dog-bite-related fatalities in the U.S.
• Approximately 24% of human deaths involved unrestrained dogs off of their owners’ property
• Approximately 58% of human deaths involved unrestrained dogs on their owners’ property

What can dog owners do?

Spay or neuter your dog.

Neutering reduces aggression, especially in males. Un-neutered dogs are more than 2.6 times more likely to bite than neutered dogs. Female dogs in heat and nursing moms are much more dangerous than spayed females, and their behavior can be unpredictable. Talk to your veterinarian to schedule an appointment, or contact your local humane organization or animal shelter for information on low-cost spay/neuter assistance.

Supervise your dog.

Dogs left on their own may feel uncertain and defensive, or even overly confident, and this poses risks to your dog, as well as to other people and dogs. Eighty-eight percent of fatal dog attacks among 2-year-olds occurred when the child was left unsupervised.

Train and socialize your dog.

Be sure your dog interacts with and has good manners around all members of the family, the public and other animals. Basic training is as important for the owner as it is for the dog, and socialization is the key to a well-adjusted adult dog. It is essential that puppies between 8 and 16 weeks old be exposed to a variety of people, places, dogs and other animals. As dogs age, do your best to continue their exposure to these things to ensure that they are well socialized throughout their lives.

Restrain your dog.

Twenty-four percent of fatal dog attacks involved loose dogs that were off their owner’s property. Dogs that are allowed to roam loose outside the yard may perceive your entire neighborhood as their “territory” and may defend it aggressively. By obeying leash laws and taking care to properly fence your yard, you will not only be respecting the laws in your community, but you will also be helping keep your dog safe from cars, other dogs and unforeseen dangers.

Unchain your dog.

Chained dogs are 2.8 times more likely to bite. Tethering or chaining dogs increases their stress, protectiveness and vulnerability, thereby increasing the potential for aggression. Fencing is the better solution.

 

[kaioshade]

Wow. I applaud their patience with that guy. Many would've given it up instead of try to deal with its behavior; good on them, and good on you for not demanding the dog be put down.

My GF had just put her Labrador down a few months prior for age. And even though this dog was really out of control (it belonged to her brother and he did not train him at ALL) she really wanted it to work. I definitely did it for her. Frank (dog) still lives with her parents, but even without seeing us for a while, he is still friendly. They put an incredible amount of money for him for training.

 

[Portugeezer]

Media brainwash is working.

Did they not know the temperament of the dog? I know a Labrador which bit a small child and bit my uncle badly. A dog doesn't have to show aggressiveness to bite people. Maybe unprovoked in human terms and they did not understand the feelings of the dog, and that is not specific to pitbulls.

When you have big or powerful breeds you need to be careful, your wife/in laws weren't careful enough but luckily she stopped it before anything worse could have happened.

You don't sound reasonable (and I don't blame you now that the accident occurred and you weren't there), of course your wife will lie to you and say it's unprovoked, of course she doesn't want any shit between you and her family. Blaming the dog and not their ignorance is easy.

 

[geebee]

Media brainwash is working.

Did they not know the temperament of the dog? I know a Labrador which bit a small child and bit my uncle badly. A dog doesn't have to show aggressiveness to bite people. Maybe unprovoked in human terms and they did not understand the feelings of the dog, and that is not specific to pitbulls.

When you have big or powerful breeds you need to be careful, your wife/in laws weren't careful enough but luckily she stopped it before anything worse could have happened.

You don't sound reasonable (and I don't blame you now that the accident occurred and you weren't there), of course your wife will lie to you and say it's unprovoked, of course she doesn't want any shit between you and her family. Blaming the dog and not their ignorance is easy.

This has been said many times, but the OP just can't admit it. Instead, posting pictures of his son with the family dog to detract from the real issue.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Yes, there is a media "brainwashing" conspiracy to make people believe pitbulls are a dangerous breed of dog.

I don't understand people that don't want to blame the dog at all, for anything. Should we take the owner out back and shoot him instead? No you kill the fucking dog.

 

[schwabdizzle]

Maybe the OP should do a better job watching your kid.

 

[Camp Lo]

The type of people that are automatically nervous or cautious around pitbulls are probably the same type of people that cross the street when a person with darker skin is approaching on the sidewalk.

LOL, I get cautious around any dog that size.

 

[kinggroin]

My heart goes out to you OP. Just reading that, as a father myself, I wanted to fly there myself and snatch that fuckin dog's nuts.


Hope your child recovers physically and mentally

 

[kaioshade]

Maybe the OP should do a better job watching your kid.

Have you read this topic AT ALL?

 

[Shags]

I don't understand people that don't want to blame the dog at all, for anything. Should we take the owner out back and shoot him instead? No you kill the fucking dog.

.... Why does someone need to die? Damn.

 

[geebee]

My heart goes out to you OP. Just reading that, as a father myself, I wanted to fly there myself and snatch that fuckin dog's nuts.


Hope your child recovers physically and mentally

It was the wife's fault.

 

[Jak140]

Yes, there is a media "brainwashing" conspiracy to make people believe pitbulls are a dangerous breed of dog.

I don't understand people that don't want to blame the dog at all, for anything. Should we take the owner out back and shoot him instead? No you kill the fucking dog.

It's not a conspiracy, it's a ratings grab, pure and simple. Just like the summer of the shark:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_the_Shark

Almost every dog attack is reported as being done by a pit bull, because it draws more attention, even though the lineage of the dog is never verified. I linked a study a few pages back quoted by the Humane Society which shows that even when shelter staff tries to identify which dogs are pit bulls, they are often wrong. Imagine how easy it is for everyone else to misidentify them, especially the media which has the agenda of drawing your attention.

 

[Portugeezer]

It's not a conspiracy, it's a ratings grab, pure and simple. Just like the summer of the shark:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_the_Shark

Almost every dog attack is reported as being done by a pit bull, because it draws more attention, even though the lineage of the dog is never verified. I linked a study a few pages back quoted by the Humane Society which shows that even when shelter staff tries to identify which dogs are pit bulls, they are often wrong. Imagine how easy it is for everyone else to misidentify them, especially the media which has the agenda of drawing your attention.

Even when it's not a pitbull before they know it's always:

"thought to be a pitbull type dog"

... and then it's fucking not, so the story dies.

 

[Deified Data]

A dog's temperament is determined by it's surroundings. The reason that pit breeds are involved in an inordinant amount of violent episodes is because they have a reputation for violence, which leads owners to treat them like they're violent, which in turn makes them violent. It's a vicious cycle that can be traced back to how the dog interacts with the humans in its life. Violent dogs attract violent owners and the circle is closed.

I understand that this incident has made the OP emotional - anyone would act the same way if their child were harmed - but that emotion clouds their common sense. Advocating the complete extermination of a breed only worsens its reputation and exacerbates the problem. I hope OP rethinks his hasty conclusions after some reflection.

Yes, there is a media "brainwashing" conspiracy to make people believe pitbulls are a dangerous breed of dog.

I don't understand people that don't want to blame the dog at all, for anything. Should we take the owner out back and shoot him instead? No you kill the fucking dog.

Or we can discuss this issue like adults and realize that we don't have to kill anyone. What kind of solution is that?

 

[kinggroin]

It was the wife's fault.

The wife bit the child?

 

[Jeff-DSA]

It was the wife's fault.

You're a dickhead or you have a severe case of the 'bergers. No other way to put it. I'd say that you'll figure it out one day when you became a parent yourself, but I'm pretty sure that your armchair parenting is the closest you'll get to breeding.

Pretty obvious that most of you guys have no idea what it's like to be a parent. No concept. If you don't know, and you only think you know, shut up. If you think my wife was being irresponsible because she let our kid out of her sight for under a minute, you're downright ridiculous.

Is she supposed to anticipate each and every scenario possible under the sun for what could happen to our kids in every single moment? Should she say to herself, "well, Jason wants to go see Tyson while I wash my hands, but it's possible that someone may have let the dog in. I should therefore go and check to see if the dog is out and then return to wash my hands. Mayhap the dog has been loosed and is lusting for child flesh! But no, I'll keep him at my feet to prevent such tragedy!"

No. She had put the dog out (the same dog who hadn't bit anybody there on any of our trips over), and she later let our kid walk down the hall to see his brother while she washed her hands. No reasonable person would have expected risk.

If you want to keep on blaming my wife, save it. You sound like a bunch of douchebag morons with no clue of what happened or how it is taking care of children. So Jason only spent 23 hours 59 minutes and 50 seconds with her that day and now she's an irresponsible parent. Good work, GAF.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Or we can discuss this issue like adults and realize that we don't have to kill anyone. What kind of solution is that?

Where is the fun in that? A dog is not a person, we don't have to kill anyone. We have to kill a dog.

 

[shira]

It was the wife's fault.

Fail smh

 

[kinggroin]

You're a dickhead or you have a severe case of the 'bergers. No other way to put it. I'd say that you'll figure it out one day when you became a parent yourself, but I'm pretty sure that your armchair parenting is the closest you'll get to breeding.

Pretty obvious that most of you guys have no idea what it's like to be a parent. No concept. If you don't know, and you only think you know, shut up. If you think my wife was being irresponsible because she let our kid out of her sight for under a minute, you're downright ridiculous.

Is she supposed to anticipate each and every scenario possible under the sun for what could happen to our kids in every single moment? Should she say to herself, "well, Jason wants to go see Tyson while I wash my hands, but it's possible that someone may have let the dog in. I should therefore go and check to see if the dog is out and then return to wash my hands. Mayhap the dog has been loosed and is lusting for child flesh! But no, I'll keep him at my feet to prevent such tragedy!"

No. She had put the dog out (the same dog who hadn't bit anybody there on any of our trips over), and she later let our kid walk down the hall to see his brother while she washed her hands. No reasonable person would have expected risk.

If you want to keep on blaming my wife, save it. You sound like a bunch of douchebag morons with no clue of what happened or how it is taking care of children. So Jason only spent 23 hours 59 minutes and 50 seconds with her that day and now she's an irresponsible parent. Good work, GAF.

I agree, but don't blame GAF. I'm on here too, defending you.

These unsympathetic assholes are the same young assholes that feel children shouldn't be allowed in supermarkets or planes.

Fuck em. Don't let them ruin your day.

 

[Cetra]

Pretty obvious that most of you guys have no idea what it's like to be a parent. No concept. If you don't know, and you only think you know, shut up. If you think my wife was being irresponsible because she let our kid out of her sight for under a minute, you're downright ridiculous.

Word to that.

 

[geebee]

You're a dickhead or you have a severe case of the 'bergers. No other way to put it. I'd say that you'll figure it out one day when you became a parent yourself, but I'm pretty sure that your armchair parenting is the closest you'll get to breeding.

Pretty obvious that most of you guys have no idea what it's like to be a parent. No concept. If you don't know, and you only think you know, shut up. If you think my wife was being irresponsible because she let our kid out of her sight for under a minute, you're downright ridiculous.

Is she supposed to anticipate each and every scenario possible under the sun for what could happen to our kids in every single moment? Should she say to herself, "well, Jason wants to go see Tyson while I wash my hands, but it's possible that someone may have let the dog in. I should therefore go and check to see if the dog is out and then return to wash my hands. Mayhap the dog has been loosed and is lusting for child flesh! But no, I'll keep him at my feet to prevent such tragedy!"

No. She had put the dog out (the same dog who hadn't bit anybody there on any of our trips over), and she later let our kid walk down the hall to see his brother while she washed her hands. No reasonable person would have expected risk.

If you want to keep on blaming my wife, save it. You sound like a bunch of douchebag morons with no clue of what happened or how it is taking care of children. So Jason only spent 23 hours 59 minutes and 50 seconds with her that day and now she's an irresponsible parent. Good work, GAF.

You sound like your wife has got your balls in a vise. You just can't admit the shitty parenting/supervision of a 1-year old. I may not be a parent, but I've spent plenty of time around family and friends who are. So what? Just admit that rational thinking and logic went out the window when you heard what happened between the dog(which is a family member of the inlaws) and your son. It's not hard keeping an eye on a kid when there's a giant dog around.

It's just sick to see so many quickly jumping to the conclusion of killing something. Acting more like damn animals than the dog, really.

 

[Takuan]

You sound like your wife has got your balls in a vise. You just can't admit the shitty parenting/supervision of a 1-year old. I may not be a parent, but I've spent plenty of time around family and friends who are. So what? Just admit that rational thinking and logic went out the window when you heard what happened between the dog(which is a family member of the inlaws) and your son. It's not hard keeping an eye on a kid when there's a giant dog around.

It's just sick to see so many quickly jumping to the conclusion of killing something. Acting more like damn animals than the dog, really.

Whoever let the dog back in is at fault. His wife had let it out and another family member let it back in. Either way, it's still a pretty innocent mistake, and one that won't be made again.

Definitely the 'bergers.

Nah, just an extremist... absolutist? Black/white-ist? I dunno. Either way, it's a silly assertion.

Dogs are lovely animals and I would not take any pleasure in killing one, but a dog that bites a child is a ticking time bomb regardless of its breed.

I dunno. There are a bunch of aggro dogs on Dog Whisperer that manage to reform after ol' Cesar's had his way with them.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

You sound like your wife has got your balls in a vise. You just can't admit the shitty parenting/supervision of a 1-year old. I may not be a parent, but I've spent plenty of time around family and friends who are. So what? Just admit that rational thinking and logic went out the window when you heard what happened between the dog(which is a family member of the inlaws) and your son. It's not hard keeping an eye on a kid when there's a giant dog around.

It's just sick to see so many quickly jumping to the conclusion of killing something. Acting more like damn animals than the dog, really.

Definitely the 'bergers.

 

[JimiNutz]

I love dogs, all dogs.
Have 2 of my own and intend to get more. I don't think I will ever be without a dog...

But if a dog randomly bit my child for no reason and caused injury or harm I would have the dog put down.
If the owner didn't want to or couldn't do it I would kill the animal myself. Dogs are lovely animals and I would not take any pleasure in killing one, but a dog that bites a child is a ticking time bomb regardless of its breed.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Let there be no confusion, I want the dog put down. I'm not going to force the family to do it. My kids will never be around the dog again, I know that. Even so, I'd like to see it put down before it injures someone else, because I have a strong feeling that it's an inevitability.

My mother-in-law doesn't see it that way, and my father-in-law is a pushover who will defer to her. In this instance, she's willing to continue assuming the risk of ownership with the dog. When it bites again, I only hope it's not serious and that it wakes her up to the reality that they have a dangerous animal that doesn't understand its place among humans correctly.

 

[kirblar]

Definitely the 'bergers.

Sounds like a member of the "why don't the police aim for the legs" crowd.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Let there be no confusion, I want the dog put down. I'm not going to force the family to do it. My kids will never be around the dog again, I know that. Even so, I'd like to see it put down before it injures someone else, because I have a strong feeling that it's an inevitability.

My mother-in-law doesn't see it that way, and my father-in-law is a pushover who will defer to her. In this instance, she's willing to continue assuming the risk of ownership with the dog. When it bites again, I only hope it's not serious and that it wakes her up to the reality that they have a dangerous animal that doesn't understand its place among humans correctly.

Pretty much all you can do. My sister has a laberdoodle that is a fucking beast. Everytime we go over there is a fight cause we say can you please crate your huge ass dog. "Oh he is part of the family!" fuck that, the dog doesn't listen to commands, even when he is being playful he could seriously injure a small child.

I really can't stand people that place fucking pets they bought at a store on equal footing as actual human family members. Like something is wrong in your brain if you feel a dog is part of your family. And if you don't have the common courtesy to restrain your beast when vulnerable humans are around fuck you.

 

[Apocryphon]

You're a dickhead or you have a severe case of the 'bergers. No other way to put it. I'd say that you'll figure it out one day when you became a parent yourself, but I'm pretty sure that your armchair parenting is the closest you'll get to breeding.

Pretty obvious that most of you guys have no idea what it's like to be a parent. No concept. If you don't know, and you only think you know, shut up. If you think my wife was being irresponsible because she let our kid out of her sight for under a minute, you're downright ridiculous.

Is she supposed to anticipate each and every scenario possible under the sun for what could happen to our kids in every single moment? Should she say to herself, "well, Jason wants to go see Tyson while I wash my hands, but it's possible that someone may have let the dog in. I should therefore go and check to see if the dog is out and then return to wash my hands. Mayhap the dog has been loosed and is lusting for child flesh! But no, I'll keep him at my feet to prevent such tragedy!"

No. She had put the dog out (the same dog who hadn't bit anybody there on any of our trips over), and she later let our kid walk down the hall to see his brother while she washed her hands. No reasonable person would have expected risk.

If you want to keep on blaming my wife, save it. You sound like a bunch of douchebag morons with no clue of what happened or how it is taking care of children. So Jason only spent 23 hours 59 minutes and 50 seconds with her that day and now she's an irresponsible parent. Good work, GAF.

Oh cry me a fucking river!

You admitted in the original post that you were aware of this dog breeds nature and temperament and explained that pitbulls were a problem because even seemingly calm dogs have attacked multiple people that you know...

This is the third time in my life now that someone close to me has been injured by an unprovoked attack by a pit bull that was hailed as being so sweet and loving right up until the moment they attacked.

Yet knowing that you allowed a 1 year old child to be around that breed of dog. Nobody insisted that the dog was kenneled, locked outside or muzzled and there was an incident. So don't start talking shit now about how this particular dog had never been a problem before. You CLEARLY explained that the child was purposefully being kept away from the dog, and the reason for that was obviously for the child's safety. You weren't ignorant to the possibility of this kind of thing happening and your step father and wife didn't do enough to prevent it.

And what's this shit about "maybe somebody let the dog in"? Exactly how many people were in the house when your child got bitten in the face? You have no idea WHO let the dog in? Because I'm not even sure I buy that the dog was outside to begin with.

I'm not defending the dog or the breed, but parents are responsible for their children's safekeeping and while it's never black & white, additional measures could and should have been taken when placing an infant in the company of an aggressive dog breed that is know to just... y'know... snap... unprovoked...

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Even so, I'd like to see it put down before it injures someone else, because I have a strong feeling that it's an inevitability... When it bites again, I only hope it's not serious and that it wakes her up to the reality that they have a dangerous animal that doesn't understand its place among humans correctly.

Well, wait a min. You've also pointed out that this hasn't happened before. Ever. Maybe I'm remembering wrong (I've been reading this thread since you posted the OP) but I'm pretty sure this was described as an out-of-the-blue thing, right? There's pictures of your kid laying on the dog, right?

So if it was an out-of-the-blue thing that was totally unexpected, how is it now completely expected that the dog is going to go after anyone else in their house, or your child?

The possibility this was an anomalous event isn't entering into play here. Even after a thread filled with people, pro-euthanasia for this animal and anti- giving their own examples of similar anomalous events.

Advocating a one-strike-and-you're-dead rule for pets is probably why people are giving such opposition to your position, even when it very understandably springs from an event in which your one-year-old kid got bitten on his face. People are going to look for means to point out why it'd be unfair to apply that rule when there are plenty of opportunities for correction on both parents AND pet-owners behalf

 

[vas_a_morir]

You sound like your wife has got your balls in a vise. You just can't admit the shitty parenting/supervision of a 1-year old. I may not be a parent, but I've spent plenty of time around family and friends who are. So what? Just admit that rational thinking and logic went out the window when you heard what happened between the dog(which is a family member of the inlaws) and your son. It's not hard keeping an eye on a kid when there's a giant dog around.

It's just sick to see so many quickly jumping to the conclusion of killing something. Acting more like damn animals than the dog, really.

I agree with what this poster is saying: What kind of parents let their kid in the house with a vicious, blood-thirsty monster like a pitbull? Any house with a pitbull is too dangerous for ANYBODY to visit, much less a kid. Might as well let your kid go into a viper den... at least the kid could have had a better chance to walk out without being attacked. I agree with this poster: Pitbulls are by nature evil, human-hating, bone crushing machines, and no child is safe around one at any time.

He's also right about one thing: We don't need to kill pitbulls. We need to put them in capsules and send them to distant inhabited planets to kill all lifeforms so that we might colonize the planets without resistance. They are basically weaponized monsters, so why not take advantage of them as an effective killing resource? I agree with this poster.

Is it wrong that the spider catches a fly in her web? That's what the spider does. In that same way, I agree with the posters in this thread who are telling you not to blame the dog, for maiming babies is what pitbulls do; if defines them.

 

[kirblar]

Well, wait a min. You've also pointed out that this hasn't happened before. Ever. Maybe I'm remembering wrong (I've been reading this thread since you posted the OP) but I'm pretty sure this was described as an out-of-the-blue thing, right? There's pictures of your kid laying on the dog, right?

So if it was an out-of-the-blue thing that was totally unexpected, how is it now completely expected that the dog is going to go after anyone else in their house, or your child?

The possibility this was an anomalous event isn't entering into play here. Even after a thread filled with people, pro-euthanasia for this animal and anti- giving their own examples of similar anomalous events.

Advocating a one-strike-and-you're-dead rule for pets is probably why people are giving such opposition to your position, even when it very understandably springs from an event in which your one-year-old kid got bitten on its face. People are going to look for means to point out why it'd be unfair to apply that rule when there are plenty of opportunities for correction on both parents AND pet-owners behalf

The OP's dog is not the dog that bit the child. The dog that bit was one that was recently adopted by the OP's in-laws.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I know - he posted a picture of his older kid resting on the dog that bit his child in this post.

didn't need to quote my whole post for the attempted correction

 

[Eppy Thatcher]

If i have to read one more story from someone who has just gone through this experience with a mastif or pitt or german shephard or ANY DOG around a small child I'm gonna punch a wall.

I have a 3 year old daughter and around my friends dogs, neighbors dogs, my sisters dogs... i'm on CONSTANT FUCKING VIGIL. She's a tiny human around an honestly powerful animal (any larger dog at all)... and it's your son/daughter.. how are you NOT on fucking top of that? How do you let any larger breed of dog (especially a male pitt that is apparently not neutered?? and lives with granparents that probably don't train/wear him out properly durring the day) get that close to a fucking 1 year old????!!!!!

If this had happened to my daughter while I was away and my wife was around I would have had some fucking words for her and her fucking parents. Going nuclear on the fucking moron animal would have been my third stop not the first.

 

[geebee]

If i have to read one more story from someone who has just gone through this experience with a mastif or pitt or german shephard or ANY DOG around a small child I'm gonna punch a wall.

I have a 3 year old daughter and around my friends dogs, neighbors dogs, my sisters dogs... i'm on CONSTANT FUCKING VIGIL. She's a tiny human around an honestly powerful animal (any larger dog at all)... and it's your son/daughter.. how are you NOT on fucking top of that? How do you let any larger breed of dog (especially a male pitt that is apparently not neutered?? and lives with granparents that probably don't train/wear him out properly durring the day) get that close to a fucking 1 year old????!!!!!

If this had happened to my daughter while I was away and my wife was around I would have had some fucking words for her and her fucking parents. Going nuclear on the fucking moron animal would have been my third stop not the first.

Exactly. It's not like the dog even knows what's going on. Just whatever the kid did to upset it. I'm not saying the dog shouldn't be punished or things shouldn't be changed with how they have the dog around other children, but the first instinct to kill the dog rather than call out the adults and their crap decisions and lack of sense is ridiculous. But hey, I've just been diagnosed with asbergers by the delusional OP. You have to be a parent yourself before you consider the idea having a large dog being around a 1-year old incredibly fucking stupid.

 

[nilbog21]

It's been common sense since forever. The only thing I can decipher from your ranting is you believe it's less serious because the dog bit a child and not an adult, which is absurd.

Once a family pet violently attacks anyone, it's game over. If you don't take responsibility for your pet, you probably shouldn't own one to begin with.

where the fuck did you come up with that? LOL

What if it's your fault that the pet attacks a baby? Is it still game over at the point and you put the dog down? Lmao. What i'm saying is that you shouldn't put a dog down for doing something it is designed by nature TO DO!! WTF