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LttP: Witcher 2 - or "where has this rpg been all my life?"

eot

Banned
A bucket can run W1.

TW1 runs worse than TW2 for me.

The Witcher 2 is a better game than Skyrim.

I really appreciated how The Witcher 2 kept dungeon crawling to the bare minimum. Very little filler or repetitive missions. As a result it's a well paced and focused RPG that takes about 35 hours to beat. I very rarely used the quick travel option because exploring the environment was such a joy.

It doesn't have fast travel.
 

Vintage

Member
How about them books? Are they worth reading?

Do they follow the same storyline as games, or it's just the same setting? And if I read the books, will I know how Witcher 3 will end?
 

Tacitus_

Member
How about them books? Are they worth reading?

Do they follow the same storyline as games, or it's just the same setting? And if I read the books, will I know how Witcher 3 will end?

The games happen after the books. Supposedly they're fairly good but I haven't been able to get hold of them myself.
 

Savitar

Member
How about them books? Are they worth reading?

Do they follow the same storyline as games, or it's just the same setting? And if I read the books, will I know how Witcher 3 will end?

Absolutely fantastic.

The games did their very best to follow in the tone the books set and they did very well, if you plan to play the third Witcher game definitely read the books as they fill in a lot of who is what.

When it comes to the question of who would trump who, Yennefer or Triss the answer is definitely there.
 

Vintage

Member
Absolutely fantastic.

The games did their very best to follow in the tone the books set and they did very well, if you plan to play the third Witcher game definitely read the books as they fill in a lot of who is what.

When it comes to the question of who would trump who, Yennefer or Triss the answer is definitely there.

Thanks, I noticed there are quite a lot of them, some are novels, some are short story collections, so is there any order I should be reading them?
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
Yeah. And I mean, watching a RPG LP is going to take forever, so why not play it yourself if you have the game?

when i say LP i really mean condensed motage of cut scenes.... not about to watch someone else play an rpg for 20 hours lol

Here is some info I copied from the first reveal and various posts. There is a lot more newer info, but I think this should be enough for now, I've deleted potential spoilers but not really sorted the info, so some bits may appear twice.

sounds great, thanks for the post!
 

Seanspeed

Banned
The info on the scale of the world(20% bigger than Skyrim) sounds great.

I still much prefer Elder Scrolls, but I'm thinking Witcher 3 could very well be up there if they can deliver on the potential.
 

phaze

Member
Thanks, I noticed there are quite a lot of them, some are novels, some are short story collections, so is there any order I should be reading them?

1. The Last Wish
2. Sword of Destiny
3.Blood of Elves
4.Times of Contempt
5.Baptism of Fire
6.The Swallow's Tower
7.Lady of the Lake

This is assuming they translated them all to your language. 1,3,4 are available in english.

There is also new book Season of Storms that was released a month ago in Polish but I think it takes place between the Last Wish and SoD. The games take place after events of the books so they spoil some events. If anything reading the books will give you a better idea of the Wild Hunt and Yennefer.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
so how are yall playing the game?

i'm thinking Sword/Alch build... first get stuff like Feetwork 1&2, Whirl, Riposte and then maybe Quen 1&2 and then go nuts w/ Pots/Oils stuff
 

Vaporak

Member
I tried to play it, but the map was so awful, I gave up.

It's a shame, because it really was very impressive, and I was really enjoying it. But an RPG that is a nightmare to navigate is not my idea of fun.

...How could you possibly get lost in the Witcher 2.
 

Daingurse

Member
Same here, I really hope they one day remake W1 with W2/3 engine.

A lot of people skipped W1, which is a travesty.

I enjoyed the W1 quite a bit, played it prior to the Witcher 2's release, but it's definitely rough around the edges. Remake would be awesome.
 

Tacitus_

Member
so how are yall playing the game?

i'm thinking Sword/Alch build... first get stuff like Feetwork 1&2, Whirl, Riposte and then maybe Quen 1&2 and then go nuts w/ Pots/Oils stuff

Just get the roll speed if you're going alchemy. The minus damage taken on backstabs is nice but you don't need it if you keep rollin rollin rollin
 

Goby

Banned
Why the hell did they not include the "romance" cards?

They were the only thing that kept me going in the Witcher 1.

Yes I am typing with a straight face.

Sex cards were boring. instead we got some of the best videogame sex scenes ever. Especially Triss scene. Seemed more like a movie instead of card game.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
Just get the roll speed if you're going alchemy. The minus damage taken on backstabs is nice but you don't need it if you keep rollin rollin rollin

nice, that was my plan. daggers/bombs for range/crowd control, quen for defense & pots/oils for buffs.

magic seems kinda dumb in this game.
 

patochaos

Neo Member
Combat killed the game for me.
I felt so weak and really the combat did not made me have any fun at all.

Also, maybe I missed something but here is what I understood

You can use potions to enhance Geralts combat prowess
Potions last for a limited time
Some potions buff a very particular stat, for example fire resistance.
Potions can only be used out of combat

So, what happened to me, was that I ran into a new area, suddenly something attacked me.
It killed me because I wasn´t buffed.

I reload the game, drink my pots, go fight it, win.
Repeat until I get bored. Or you can go always buffed into new areas, but you´ll run out of potions

This coupled with the boring combat threw me off.
But hey, maybe I was doing something wrong.
 

Tacitus_

Member
Combat killed the game for me.
I felt so weak and really the combat did not made me have any fun at all.

Also, maybe I missed something but here is what I understood

You can use potions to enhance Geralts combat prowess
Potions last for a limited time
Some potions buff a very particular stat, for example fire resistance.
Potions can only be used out of combat

So, what happened to me, was that I ran into a new area, suddenly something attacked me.
It killed me because I wasn´t buffed.

I reload the game, drink my pots, go fight it, win.
Repeat until I get bored. Or you can go always buffed into new areas, but you´ll run out of potions

This coupled with the boring combat threw me off.
But hey, maybe I was doing something wrong.

You didn't miss anything, but you should make full use of all the tricks Geralt has and approach the combat like in Dark Souls.
You can harvest alchemy materials from pretty much everywhere so keep stocked with potions, oils and bombs. Also remember to upgrade your gear.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
Combat killed the game for me.
I felt so weak and really the combat did not made me have any fun at all.

Also, maybe I missed something but here is what I understood

You can use potions to enhance Geralts combat prowess
Potions last for a limited time
Some potions buff a very particular stat, for example fire resistance.
Potions can only be used out of combat

So, what happened to me, was that I ran into a new area, suddenly something attacked me.
It killed me because I wasn´t buffed.

I reload the game, drink my pots, go fight it, win.
Repeat until I get bored. Or you can go always buffed into new areas, but you´ll run out of potions

This coupled with the boring combat threw me off.
But hey, maybe I was doing something wrong.

i do wish they made more of a connection between how badass geralt is in the story and how he plays. in dark souls it made sense, you were weak and everything was terrifying. here i'm supposed to be a badass but i need to use all my abilities and equipment to be even half decent in combat.
 

Tacitus_

Member
i do wish they made more of a connection between how badass geralt is in the story and how he plays. in dark souls it made sense, you were weak and everything was terrifying. here i'm supposed to be a badass but i need to use all my abilities and equipment to be even half decent in combat.

Note: being half decent means you're slaughtering Nekkers, other monsters and dozens of humans by yourself. You just can't charge in mindlessly.
Throw in a bomb, cut off the head from a few fools, step back, throw in a sign or a bomb (or combo gas bombs + igni for added fun) and continue slicing and dicing.
 
Is it just me or is this game really badly optimized? I initially thought i had a shitty computer but Tomb Raider 2013 averaged 30 normal settings while my PC is struggling to run this at 10fps on the lowest settings. In windowed mode. ›_›
 

Stuggernaut

Grandma's Chippy
I had the same reaction as the OP, played the intro, did not grab me.

It is currently sitting in my Steam backlog waiting for a revisit.

That OP post gives me hope that I may like it on the 2nd pass.
 

Soule

Member
One of my favourite games of last gen. I remember I was so engrossed in the story that I forced myself to play on a substandard laptop that was overheating intermittently and at at best pushing 20fps and at worst... well not so good. On top of that I played through with the vanilla combat and balancing and oh god it was a fucking tough ride lol. I plan on upgrading my PC when TW3 comes out and replaying through TW2 at some point, I only ever played through once due to the bad performance and I'd love to see it running smoothly and try out the different paths.
 
Combat killed the game for me.
I felt so weak and really the combat did not made me have any fun at all.
There's a few things that the game either poorly explains or doesn't explain at all that help with this.

1. There is a combo system. As long as you don't get hit you'll keep ramping up to stronger attacks. Blocking will also reset the combo. So not overstaying your welcome in a crowd is important. Do a couple hits, roll back away, then pick the most open target and continue.

2. Sword damage is tied to Vigor/Mana. Anything missing from the vigor meter will reduce sword damage by a pretty healthy percentage. So blocking or using spells trade off sword damage.

But overall combat does have some issues that hopefully their Witcher 3 fixes will take care of.
 

TheTwelve

Member
Sex cards were boring. instead we got some of the best videogame sex scenes ever. Especially Triss scene. Seemed more like a movie instead of card game.

Triss in that pool scene? Dear God. It was so amazing I even called my girl in to see it. I didn't even care...
 

Freshmaker

I am Korean.
Is it just me or is this game really badly optimized? I initially thought i had a shitty computer but Tomb Raider 2013 averaged 30 normal settings while my PC is struggling to run this at 10fps on the lowest settings. In windowed mode. ›_›
Works fine on my Core2 Duo and 7750 PC (which isn't exactly top of the line).

Medium settings 1080p.
 

Defyler

Member
Got this on the GoD sale on Cyber Monday for 360.

I've barely been able to put the controller down. Just about to kill off chapter 1. So many side quests to tie up though.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
i heard the game story retreads the book story a bit, is that true? i've only read the last wish but i may read the others

There's a few things that the game either poorly explains or doesn't explain at all that help with this.

1. There is a combo system. As long as you don't get hit you'll keep ramping up to stronger attacks. Blocking will also reset the combo. So not overstaying your welcome in a crowd is important. Do a couple hits, roll back away, then pick the most open target and continue.

2. Sword damage is tied to Vigor/Mana. Anything missing from the vigor meter will reduce sword damage by a pretty healthy percentage. So blocking or using spells trade off sword damage.

But overall combat does have some issues that hopefully their Witcher 3 fixes will take care of.

thanks, this stuff is very useful. i am wondering if quen is even a good idea, considering it locks you into a non max vigor state...

Got this on the GoD sale on Cyber Monday for 360.

I've barely been able to put the controller down. Just about to kill off chapter 1. So many side quests to tie up though.

yeah best $7.50 i spent in a while. i'm still in Ch 1 just tackling side quests before i kill the kayran.
 

Tacitus_

Member
i heard the game story retreads the book story a bit, is that true? i've only read the last wish but i may read the others

Maybe the themes, but the games happen after the books end. That's why everyone is so surprised to see you as the last thing they knew of was Geralt getting stabbed in the stomach with a pitchfork.
(this is revealed in the first 5 minutes of the first game so I'm not spoilering it)
 

PFD

Member
Is it just me or is this game really badly optimized? I initially thought i had a shitty computer but Tomb Raider 2013 averaged 30 normal settings while my PC is struggling to run this at 10fps on the lowest settings. In windowed mode. ›_›

I played this just fine on my Geforce 9800 GT/Athlon 64 4200+ when it first came out. Do you have ubersampling on?
 

Lautaro

Member
I must be in the minority that likes Geralt only taking potions outside of combat, I mean who the hell starts drinking something in the middle of a sword fight?
Vikings maybe

It makes as much sense as finding clean food in the trash or taking money from houses without people reacting to it. We can be used to it but it still makes little sense.
 

Tacitus_

Member
I must be in the minority that likes Geralt only taking potions outside of combat, I mean who the hell starts drinking something in the middle of a sword fight?
Vikings maybe

It makes as much sense as finding clean food in the trash or taking money from houses without people reacting to it. We can be used to it but it still makes little sense.

It makes sense, but there were a couple sections where you got ambushed and if you didn't have pots on you were in a heap of trouble.
 

bengraven

Member
I beat Witcher 1 twice and preordered Witcher 2, but I've never left Flotsam. For some reason the atmosphere (and framerate drops) just didn't grab me like Witcher did and the combat is pretty bad.

I really really have to try it again...for the fourth time.
 

Guri

Member
I beat Witcher 1 twice and preordered Witcher 2, but I've never left Flotsam. For some reason the atmosphere (and framerate drops) just didn't grab me like Witcher did and the combat is pretty bad.

I really really have to try it again...for the fourth time.

If you try again, and on PC, remember to try to combat mod made by one of the developers on The Witcher 3. It changes the combat a lot and you may find the game better.
 

TheTwelve

Member
I must be in the minority that likes Geralt only taking potions outside of combat, I mean who the hell starts drinking something in the middle of a sword fight?
Vikings maybe

It makes as much sense as finding clean food in the trash or taking money from houses without people reacting to it. We can be used to it but it still makes little sense.

Exactly. The emphasis on preparation before combat is part of the maturity I mentioned earlier.

I hope Witcher 3 remains just as "hardcore", if you will.
 

Skilotonn

xbot xbot xbot xbot xbot
I'm feeling the Witcher love a lot on GAF over the last couple of days, and I'm so hyped to actually play it even though my 360 copy is still sealed.

Might as well ask this here, and please, no spoilers guys:

A friend of mine who started on it many months ago brought up something that I never let shroud about my judgement, plus I've never heard anyone mention it before - he borrowed the game and the guide from a friend of his, and he said that he got the impression that there are some things in the game that you can't find without the guide. He personally found that it was a turn-off to the game despite loving the story like crazy as well as everything else about the game. According to him he was on the second disc on 360, no idea how far that is story-wise, or how many hours in. He gave some vague example about standing in fire to level up something that was never stated in-game and only in the guide, I can't remember because I really couldn't comment on it since I knew absolutely zero about the game at the time. The only thing I knew was that I wanted to buy it despite the only RPGs I love are Phantasy Star Online Eps. 1 & 2 and the Mass Effect series.

Was he just not being attentive to the game and there are things that a sharp person would see that would give you hints to find hidden things in the game? Or is it really so that there are things that you would never find without a guide otherwise? Personally my mind was made up to play this game, and I've watched the first two hours or so of the game being played by a couple different people on videos/streams and I see that I'm going to love it regardless.

Is he right, or can I tell him he was wrong and that he should continue from where he was in the game from that long ago?

Anyone?

There's a few things that the game either poorly explains or doesn't explain at all that help with this.

1. There is a combo system. As long as you don't get hit you'll keep ramping up to stronger attacks. Blocking will also reset the combo. So not overstaying your welcome in a crowd is important. Do a couple hits, roll back away, then pick the most open target and continue.

2. Sword damage is tied to Vigor/Mana. Anything missing from the vigor meter will reduce sword damage by a pretty healthy percentage. So blocking or using spells trade off sword damage.

But overall combat does have some issues that hopefully their Witcher 3 fixes will take care of.

This is really vital info, thanks!
 

JimmyRustler

Gold Member
I bought the game on the 360 and while I finished it, I don't get the praise it gets. The combat was quite horrible, the game map attricious and the quests mediocre.

The only thing that really imrpessed me were the descisions one could make. I usually always play the good guy and therefore have no troubles picking my answers in a dialog but in Witcher 2 is really struggled as there is no clear evil and good path.
 

Skelter

Banned
A friend of mine who started on it many months ago brought up something that I never let shroud about my judgement, plus I've never heard anyone mention it before - he borrowed the game and the guide from a friend of his, and he said that he got the impression that there are some things in the game that you can't find without the guide.

He is wrong. This isn't some jrpgs with a ton of crap hidden everywhere. There might be some stuff you miss sure I can probably name them on one hand really. Why is he even judging? The stuff you can miss are more like dialogue and story but that depends on your choices in the game which...is well great imo. I guess what your friend meant are the skills? Which really isn't a big deal at all. There is probably one major skill that everyone finds which is a AC1 easter egg. TOUGH to miss it really.



The only thing I knew was that I wanted to buy it despite the only RPGs I love are Phantasy Star Online Eps. 1 & 2 and the Mass Effect series.

Oh yea you'll definitely like it. The Witcher has actual choice and consequence unlike Mass Effect with a competent story and some truly great characters. Everyone has their own motivations and don't wait around on Geralt to do every like with Shepard. The Witcher 2 does require you to finish it at least twice to understand everything which leads you the player getting information from someone's point of view or missing out some quests or seeing new characters. It's handled very well though.
 
I bought the game on the 360 and while I finished it, I don't get the praise it gets. The combat was quite horrible, the game map attricious and the quests mediocre.

Eh, we would be lucky if quests like this could be considered mediocre, that would have meant that the bar had been raised for the genre :).

I found all the quests very well written. Except for the bounty quests, that were very few and completely optional, I thought all quests were really well written and told something about the game world.

IMHO, of course.
 

Skilotonn

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He is wrong. This isn't some jrpgs with a ton of crap hidden everywhere. There might be some stuff you miss sure I can probably name them on one hand really. Why is he even judging? The stuff you can miss are more like dialogue and story but that depends on your choices in the game which...is well great imo. I guess what your friend meant are the skills? Which really isn't a big deal at all. There is probably one major skill that everyone finds which is a AC1 easter egg. TOUGH to miss it really.





Oh yea you'll definitely like it. The Witcher has actual choice and consequence unlike Mass Effect with a competent story and some truly great characters. Everyone has their own motivations and don't wait around on Geralt to do every like with Shepard. The Witcher 2 does require you to finish it at least twice to understand everything which leads you the player getting information from someone's point of view or missing out some quests or seeing new characters. It's handled very well though.

Excellent, thanks for the response man!

Yeah, from what he said, it sounded like he was talking about skills, but I know how I play myself, so I'm sure I would find things on my own just fine unlike him. I love exploring the surroundings and background of a game just to admire the details.

Don't get him wrong, he thought the story was amazing from what he experienced, it's just that for whatever reason he got that impression and he stopped playing. I won't be experiencing that though.

The second part of your post got me even more hyped to play it than I already am - glad to hear that. Thanks again!
 

Bedlam

Member
Excellent, thanks for the response man!

Yeah, from what he said, it sounded like he was talking about skills, but I know how I play myself, so I'm sure I would find things on my own just fine unlike him. I love exploring the surroundings and background of a game just to admire the details.

Don't get him wrong, he thought the story was amazing from what he experienced, it's just that for whatever reason he got that impression and he stopped playing. I won't be experiencing that though.

The second part of your post got me even more hyped to play it than I already am - glad to hear that. Thanks again!
Nothing about the mechanics is hidden in this game. You might miss an optional quest or secret cave along the way but that's it. Definitely don't play with a guide.

I played it without a guide and it was a perfectly fine experience. The manual of the game has a quest log and when I compared with the quests I had finished, it turned out missed exactly two minor ones. Just explore every nook and cranny and you'll be fine.
 

TheTwelve

Member
@Skilotonn

I absolutely needed a guide to do some of the side quests, especially later on in the game.

In fact, it's in the later third of the game where details of the side quests and the story as a whole can use more polishing/detail.

Nothing game breaking, mind you.

Or maybe it's not the game's fault and I wasn't paying attention. Whatever the case, I make it a point not to use guides and yet I had to use a guide to figure out what the heck the game was talking about concerning certain quests.
 
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