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Final Fantasy X -Will- and FFX-2.5 plot discussion thread [Up2: Uh, um, errr, see OP]
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To be fair, Square only brings the original writer to work on their sequels. Tell me you don't want Tactics 2 by Yasumi Matsuno?
I don't want Tactics 2.
Hard stop.
Tell them to make something new that isn't dumb.
Masterful spin right here.
SE's PR cleanup is in motion early and they're not even paying for it.
I'm 18 minutes in, and so far I love it. Not a single complaint.
Chuami seems awesome. An argumentative atheist, I love it. The other guy seems okay so far, has more ties to the old ways since he's a sender, so they're an interesting pairing I think.
How is any of that spin? Feel free to actually make a counterpoint if you want. Not like this is really an argument though, I was just saying how I felt about it.
* Bullet points don't equal a novel. It's better to experience the real thing yourself.
* We don't know everything about the bombing
* Sexuality in fantasy isn't that unusual, even specifically as part of summoning rituals
* Sexuality definitely isn't unusual in relationships ...
Those were my main points really. They all seem pretty reasonable ...
akidnamededdy
Banned
I think the problem is that it's unusual for Final Fantasy, and particularly for what we already knew about FFX universe.
Meccanical
Member
I don't really see any other way to interpret it given the context of teh dialogue.
Meccanical
Member
This thread is killing me.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
The audio drama thing is awesome. It's so obvious that them breaking up is not as it appears. She's basically got another plan in mind related to Sin so she probably acts like it's a breakup to spare him the next quest since he's injured for some reason we don't know about. At the beginning when Chuami first meets Yuna she blatantly asks if Tidus is her boyfriend and she says yes. Then it says she was more concerned about him than Sin. Then even Lulu afterwards basically calls Tidus an idiot for not realizing that Yuna wasn't serious, and it was something else at play.
I guess the rest of it is in this novel? So far, it's pretty awesome. I bet the novel isn't as bad as people are saying but I won't know until I can read it for myself. Hopefully someone translates it.
I guess the rest of it is in this novel? So far, it's pretty awesome. I bet the novel isn't as bad as people are saying but I won't know until I can read it for myself. Hopefully someone translates it.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I wouldn't say it's awesome, but it kinda..works.
The novel is a prequel of the audio drama. The details are still fuzzy, people are freaking out because the way Tidus supposedly dies, in a very silly comical fashion. The question of how Yuna revives Tidus is still muddling.
Yeah, that definitely adds another twist. Interesting.
Feels a bit like like Drag-On Dragoon / NieR envy. "I can be edgy, too!"
So which part did you have a problem with?
can someone give a brief summary of what has happened here? between the OP and what is being discussed now?
off the cuff it looks like square enix is completely out of ideas and will continue to go back and destroy past successful franchises in order to prove to their fans just how god awful they are now?
off the cuff it looks like square enix is completely out of ideas and will continue to go back and destroy past successful franchises in order to prove to their fans just how god awful they are now?
It's not that what you're saying doesn't have merit, it's that there's no reason for us to believe that anyone at Square Enix can handle taking a story which, at a surface level, seems comical as fuck and weave it into something that isn't...well...insulting.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=95455888&postcount=1451
Only official source for Audio drama.
Novel has a lot of uncertainties.
I'm still trying to understand why anyone at SE thought sequels were a good idea to bring into games that are, by definition, one-offs.
Sideways sequels are also the weirdest fucking thing. 10-2 sounds more like a recommendation for your hands than a game title.
DiamondDogs
Neo Member
Kagari has spoken ladies and gentleman.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
To be fair, he is right about something like Argo. It's critically acclaimed and all that jazz, but the synopsis, if you just read it off Wikipedia sounds like hot garbage. However as others have chimed in, SE has an incredibly spotty hit/miss record, as of late. Their recent output does not instill confidence about their ability to pull off a game with a set up as wonky as this.
Square Enix doesn't know how to handle sequels, plain and simple.
Or it will veer off a cliff like it always does.
In most FFs this is metaphorical, in some FFs this is accompanied by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZoe-r9qb0
I think they know how to handle sequels, but they don't know how to handle franchises. By which I mean, their response to success is much like that of Lucas Arts; Drive that shit into the ground, hard.
The other problem of course is that they also don't seem to understand what makes their own mythologies and lore popular or interesting, and it largely prevents them from figuring out a formula that they somehow forgot in the late 90s... which I'm unclear as to why. It's not like making the same game with a different story is a hugely insurmountable task.
Bravely Default is precisely as popular as it is because it's doing the same thing they were doing 15-20 years ago with updated graphics and story.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
The setup strictly in the audio drama is fine.
The only questionable part comes from the novel, but even that consists of a lot of theories and fan translation. The full story is not known yet. That is the fact.
We used to not have to deal with final fantasy sequels. now it feels like a virtual certainty
the audio drama itself is fine. nothing ground breaking and not that good (a little sloppy with writing in aurons daughter...Retcon :/ ) but its passable and could work
now the details from this novel that we hear in bits and pieces on the otherhand, are troubling/concerning
at any rate if its gone this far its safe to assume they have already started making it. its win/win. if its good we get more if its bad we just pretend it doesnt exist like most square enix products these days.
I just wish the company would start making better decisions and higher quality projects like the good ol days. even working with other companies on collaborative projects should be something they are willing to do just to foster the younger talent they have and to work on more unique projects.
now the details from this novel that we hear in bits and pieces on the otherhand, are troubling/concerning
at any rate if its gone this far its safe to assume they have already started making it. its win/win. if its good we get more if its bad we just pretend it doesnt exist like most square enix products these days.
I just wish the company would start making better decisions and higher quality projects like the good ol days. even working with other companies on collaborative projects should be something they are willing to do just to foster the younger talent they have and to work on more unique projects.
At this point I think they would be better off without them and sales reinforce that.
Unknown One
Member
Making those games takes resources. Resources that could have been put to other games. FF14 probably took away resources from FF13vs or rather FF15, same with the FF13 sequels. It's a sick twisted joke that the game is not out yet when it was announced in 2005 or was it 2006.
Lose lose for us FF fans that wants a new entry. We have been losing for a while now.
They are already talking about sequels for 15 right?
Unfortunately... which is fine in theory but knowing their track record with them... I can't say I am expecting much.
Selvaria
Member
I'm curious... Did the newly established FF Committee have any involvement with the audio drama and novel? Or is this strictly Nojima's work?
I remember hating everything about X-2 prior to the game's release. But once I got my hands on it, it was actually a fun game to play. So if they ever get around to making a X-3, I think I'm going to keep an open mind this time.
I remember hating everything about X-2 prior to the game's release. But once I got my hands on it, it was actually a fun game to play. So if they ever get around to making a X-3, I think I'm going to keep an open mind this time.
Meccanical
Member
You ever heard of a retcon?
The bomb thing was obviously thought up long after they wrote Last Mission, and the audio drama is narrated by Chuami, who naturally wouldn't have the slightest idea about what happened then (not that Yuna would be particularly chatty about that either, since Tidus might disappear if he were to learn the truth).
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I thought the events in the novella took place few months after X-2 Last Mission?
How was it 2 days later?
How was it 2 days later?
Femmeworth
Banned
Could you give them the benefit of the doubt any more?
Sure you have a general point, but this shit don't exist inside a vacuum.
If there isn't also incest I'll be disappointed.
PedroPanache
Member
Came across the new design concept for Tidus
The whole thing is just so bizarre. Then again, it just makes me realise that the writers have absolutely no idea what made the original stories and characters so compelling in the first place. It happened with Third Birthday too. The underlying sadness and melancholy of Parasite Eve I gets utterly trampled over by a loud, brash story devoid of any subtlety. XIII had a similar loud, obnoxious tone, preferring to shout its emotional cues very loudly for 40 hours. Whatever happened to games like Parasite Eve I, Valkyrie Profile, Vagrant Story. When did the Micheal Bay approach become staple for Square-Enix's JRPG's?
The whole thing is just so bizarre. Then again, it just makes me realise that the writers have absolutely no idea what made the original stories and characters so compelling in the first place. It happened with Third Birthday too. The underlying sadness and melancholy of Parasite Eve I gets utterly trampled over by a loud, brash story devoid of any subtlety. XIII had a similar loud, obnoxious tone, preferring to shout its emotional cues very loudly for 40 hours. Whatever happened to games like Parasite Eve I, Valkyrie Profile, Vagrant Story. When did the Micheal Bay approach become staple for Square-Enix's JRPG's?
SirNinja
Member
I have, yes. Not really sure you can call it that. If it is, it's gotta be a world record for the quickest one. Two products - a game and a novel - released a day or so apart, and one retcons the other? Fast is an understatement.
In any case, it seems Square's storytelling has gone from "medicore/poor" to "completely insane" in recent months. I'm just hoping X-3 takes a page from X-2 and has a disproportionately kickass battle system.
akidnamededdy
Banned
It's already been said ITT, but the audio drama is told from Chuami's perspective, and there's no reason to expect that she would know about what happened to Tidus (or that anyone would feel it necessary to tell her).
Just finished "watching" the English subbed audio drama on YouTube posted earlier ITT...bit rough but it actually wouldn't be too bad of a setup for a X-3 if I didn't have the utter batshit insanity of the novel tugging at the back of my brain.
I don't believe they ever said that?
2 days after the good ending of the main game.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X-2.5
No idea if it was reliable.
And where did you get this info from?
Nope. Not exactly surprising either, since those Wikis are generally... Ah, well.
(well, it starts right after the good ending, actually, but the bomb thing is a couple of days later, I believe)
Japanese readers.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Unfortunately, subtlety, deep character and plot evolution get trampled by the myopic "let's make it more accessible == instant huge sales" belief some people seem to have. I do not have problem with accessibility per se, just that when this ruins the original artistic vision...
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Huh. That's really strange then.