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Rune Factory 4 cancelled for Europe
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Thomas_Daly
Banned
done & done
REGIONLOCK=NA -> REGIONLOCK=EU
You let it sound like there is actually some real work involved to this. But there isn't.
I'm not going to buy anything from Nintendo anymore. This is just rediculous. Glad I didn't buy the Wii U during the christmas sale on amazon. Well, maybe a small campaign to cancel regionlock would help, but thanks to Iwata living behind the moon, it probably wouldn't even reach him...
RuneFactoryFanboy
Member
Poor Europeans. It probably stings even more since 4 is kind of the last hurrah for the series.
I'm still playing through my copy. Many elements in the game are the best in the series.
I'm still playing through my copy. Many elements in the game are the best in the series.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Only if you want something enough. Region locking is dumb though.
TekGryphon
Banned
Nintendo are the incompetent louts that region locked their systems.
Nintendo are the incompetent louts that chose to market through a proprietary channel that's only consumed by a small fraction of its most loyal fanbase.
Nintendo are the incompetent louts that failed to quality control the Wii so that good titles, like Harvest Moon and Rune Factory, were lost among piles of shovel-ware.
Nintendo are the incompetent louts that failed to get the message on unified hardware architecture so its too expensive to develop on their system.
Neverland shutting down is ultimately Neverland's failure, but Nintendo sure as hell didn't do them any favors.
Snkfanatic
Banned
Didn't 5 already get a green light?
Hero of Legend
Member
Just saying it's 100% possible to work around with and you don't just solve one game you solve any game that doesn't get a EU release but got one in NA.
Yeah, Region-Locking is bad, I get that, but there are other ways to play the game and any other in this scenario.
Seeing as how it was Zen United who was supposed to publish it, people were probably already losing confidence.
Ban Puncher
Member
If you want to buy and play legitimate copies of games from other countries that may not be available to you locally, you are obviously a criminal.
Um wat?
I hate region locking but the prices are different because of the local economy.
I get that. What annoyed me was the post I responded to was essentially saying 'Don't blame Nintendo for their practise, just give them more money to get around it'
As it is I'm not that interested in this game. It's more SMTIV and other Atlus games and a few randoms that I'm thinking about
No because I would already have the game and would have got it cheaper and/or faster than I would have waiting for a Europe release and with extras (See: half my Vita library)
I don't know what situation Marvoulous was in that caused them to have to cancel the game but I imagine it was a lot less avoidable than region locking.
Considering how their announcements are usually treated?
Wait so companies shoveling shit games at Wii is Nintendo's fault over 3rd parties now?
So in short "fuck'em got mine"
And blaming NoE? they're a glorified boxing company!
Ninty better hope their firmware can outpace the flashcard coders. If those guys can break the region lock I'm going to be all over that shit.
What if you also want Japan-only games?
They probably also took time evaluating their options, or it took going through beaucracy to come to that decision.
Hero of Legend
Member
Then I can see why owning 3 3DS' would be a pain. Not to mention there's no 2DS there and I don't know the cheapest model there.
Just offering a possible solution, that's all.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
If you want them enough. Import a JP 3DS. Depending on circumstances I might do this for Bravely Second.
BUY MORE SYSTEMS STUPID
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
God bless region lock.
At least there's enough LEs to possibly justify it. For collectors and those with plenty of spare cash anyway.
Better than no one having it, which oh yea, is the case with this game.
I'm not blaming NoE either I'm blaming Nintendo actual for their anti-consumer horseshit. Unless NoE had a chance to step up and get this game out for us then yea, fuck them as well.
Vangu Vegro
Member
Well, that sure sucks.
What sucks even more though is people not realizing the real problem's not region locking, but publishers becoming more risk-averse by getting conned into supporting the money-draining and unsustainable [airquote]next-gen[/airquote] business model ahead of its time.
The present fucking sucks though and the further they stay away the better for all of us.
What sucks even more though is people not realizing the real problem's not region locking, but publishers becoming more risk-averse by getting conned into supporting the money-draining and unsustainable [airquote]next-gen[/airquote] business model ahead of its time.
The present fucking sucks though and the further they stay away the better for all of us.
..and even if you wanted too you'd probably have to pay import taxes and VAT on top of the price of the 2DS and relevant games, it's one hell of an expensive option. Plus then you don't just reward Nintendo for doing something you hate but the taxman and privatised Royal Mail too.
I know Nintendo ignore complaints and boycotts don't tend to work especially over a niche issue like this but I wish we could do a temporary one, maybe not buying any game on a Nintendo system until Valentines day. As the release schedules are pretty bare until then it's not exactly a huge hardship, sadly judging by the charts I'd doubt they'd even notice.
Yeah, this is exactly why region locking blows. There's an awesome game that is 100% playable, but for some reason people can't play it because they don't live in the States. Instead they have to rely on companies making the choice for them and if it's financially viable.
So absurd.
So absurd.
Starwolf_UK
Member
Don't forget Maple Story is Korean only. Imagine a world where you only need one 3DS to play games from 4 regions...
I thought Ace Attorney Investigations proved Capcom never cared about translations. They felt fans wanted the games out sooner (which means skipping the translation and physical release even...but nobody believes that bit) while NOE had published the game and as part of their mandate created a load of FIGS fans (at the cost of the games coming out much later and in the wrong order due to when scripts were released and ready).
The shit sandwich being fed to Europe on a regular basis has pretty much put me off buying Nintendo hardware again so long as it's region locked. I can't reward this for another generation.
No, you're just apologising for Nintendo's awful business practices under the guise of a "solution" that, for many people, is impractical or outright out of reach. Yes, we're all smart enough to understand that this specific cancellation probably had little or nothing to do with Nintendo, but in the end the blow could be softened by allowing us to run imports. Currently, these are our options:
1) Import foreign hardware and incur all costs linked to that, including the hardware itself, shipping, and import tax. Need I remind you that we already own pretty much identical hardware that would be perfectly capable of playing the software were it not for an arbitrary lock? There's also the issue that we're rewarding Nintendo -- twice -- for screwing us over.
2) Hack the hardware we already own, under the threat of it being bricked by Nintendo (or even the hackers themselves).
3) Sit around with our fingers up our bum.
This is elementary stuff here. Do you not think we've considered these options, and for one reason or another not ruled them out?
Then I can see why owning 3 3DS' would be a pain. Not to mention there's no 2DS there and I don't know the cheapest model there.
Just offering a possible solution, that's all.
No, you're just apologising for Nintendo's awful business practices under the guise of a "solution" that, for many people, is impractical or outright out of reach. Yes, we're all smart enough to understand that this specific cancellation probably had little or nothing to do with Nintendo, but in the end the blow could be softened by allowing us to run imports. Currently, these are our options:
1) Import foreign hardware and incur all costs linked to that, including the hardware itself, shipping, and import tax. Need I remind you that we already own pretty much identical hardware that would be perfectly capable of playing the software were it not for an arbitrary lock? There's also the issue that we're rewarding Nintendo -- twice -- for screwing us over.
2) Hack the hardware we already own, under the threat of it being bricked by Nintendo (or even the hackers themselves).
3) Sit around with our fingers up our bum.
This is elementary stuff here. Do you not think we've considered these options, and for one reason or another not ruled them out?
Dang. This was one of my more played titles last year. I would say something along the lines of "Yeah, but you already got Bravely Default" but we're still getting that, too. Just a shitty situation all around and another reason why Nintendo should follow the example of Sony (and I assume MS). Isn't Persona Arena and some other obscure title the only region locked games on PS3? PSN store is region locked to memory card on Vita, but otherwise, the carts are universal (which is how eshop should be).
Hopefully Nintendo makes changes next portable gen.
Hopefully Nintendo makes changes next portable gen.
There's really no reason it can't be released in Europe on the eshop "as is".
Phoenix Wright was released in Europe ...in English only.
...it would cost them absolutely nothing.
Region locking doesn't need to be an issue when you have the eshop..no carts to manufacture, no box art or brochures to make. Just stick the US version there.
Phoenix Wright was released in Europe ...in English only.
...it would cost them absolutely nothing.
Region locking doesn't need to be an issue when you have the eshop..no carts to manufacture, no box art or brochures to make. Just stick the US version there.
That is like saying buying a couple of back-up Xbox 360 consoles is a good way to stop the RROD.Just offering a possible solution, that's all.
Repeat to yourself a hundred times, "I am a consumer, not a Nintendo PR manager."
How would 5 get a green light? Didn't the developer go under?
RuneFactoryFanboy
Member
I'm not aware, but with the developer gone the series may never be the same.
That's not to say if a 5 is made it couldn't be awesome. I'm just skeptical going forward.
stump sock
Member
man, that sucks. I friggin loved that game- probably the best in the series.
New developer. Maybe even one formed by ex-staff of Neverland, that sort of thing has happened a few times.
There is but as far as I'm aware you need a 3DS with firmware 4.5 or less.
What?
Fuck MSFT for not having a xbone version too while we're at it?
Nintendo should get the blame for region locking but in this case it's really Marvelous that need to feel the heat if anyone needs to.
The problem with the hack is that it requires firmware 4.5, which is pretty old at this point. You'd have had to have kept your 3DS at that old firmware for one reason or another to actually have access to it.
The other problem is that it's risky. I haven't followed it too closely due to the whole firmware 4.5 thing, but as I understand it the people who made the hack put some "features" in that brick your 3DS if you do something with it that they don't like (oh the irony).
The region lock makes the cancellation that much more outrageous, for obvious reasons, so as far as I'm concerned Nintendo can take heat for this too. They could've not put the region lock on the 3DS and the people who wanted the game could be importing it by now.
Snkfanatic
Banned
After looking into it more it seems you are both right
Saw an article from 2012 saying it was a go then just read that they closed last year. Sigh...I am about to pick this game up and I am really excited for it. Will suck to get into it now and never see another entry..
Starwolf_UK
Member
Nintendo sees region free like this. Japanese person reverse imports. European says he is in Ohio and accesses US eShop to pay $40 instead of £40. A vita situation would be welcome at least (can't access import stores without a format etc...physical carts work regardless) as the $40 becomes +shipping +20% +£8 Royal Mail "handling charge" which is more than £40. The ideal would be some sort of limited foreign eShop (nothing you can buy on domestic eShop) but the NNID region lock further of "can't change countries" makes me think Nintendo is not interested in such matters.
From what I understand the Gateway makers put some sort of self destruct into the code if you modified their launcher (which the was done to remove the ability to run pirated games) or used a non-gateway flashcard (protection for Gateway from cheaper clones, stopping clones is a good thing since the Gateway is $80 but a $20 one might lead to another R4 widespread piracy).
Oh right i just looked this up on google and it require a pretty old version of the 3DS firmware .
That suck