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2012 First U.S. Presidential Debate |OT| OK Libya... We need a leader, not a reader.
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Ken Masters
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Obama can surely bounce back, but he never really did against Hilary, in the debates
Scott32020
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EmCeeGramr
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Man, the AP fact check really shows how badly they want this to be a close race between two equals. Romney's lies are "checked" with grudging admittance that they're totally false, while Obama's statements are "checked" with "well yeah this is technically true but if you think about it from this perspective which Romney is coming from it's only mostly or half true."
ThisWreckage
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I watched the debate with an Obama supporter last night and it left a really bad taste in his mouth. The same criticisms he leveled at him during his presidency: timid, weary, and weak, manifested itself last night's debate.
Well, that's the thing: You think it's legalized murder. Some people don't think of a developing zygote/embryo/fetus as a baby. Some people do. some people don't, unless it's their own pregnancy we're talking about (ie: some people who are pro-choice, but choose not to get abortions). Other people it's a grey area with no clear answer.
The one thing I think we can all agree upon is that birth is where the ambiguity ends (after all, pre-birth, there is no birth certificate or legal status, except in some areas when prosecuting a crime.), and I hope we can all agree that pregnancy is in fact a sigifnicant medical issue for women, otherwise we wouldn't have doctors involved at any point in the process.
I can understand that from the perspective of thinking of a zygote as a baby, abortion seems reprehensible, but I hope you can understand that this perspective is not one that everyone holds, or that each individual even has a consistent perspective on the matter.
... damn it now we're getting into a debate. Sorry lol
phosphor112
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The Lamonster
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not a swing state, doesn't matter
If you're so confident then head on over to the PoliGaf community thread.
Unless you're full of shit.
Ken Masters
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Are you seriously trying to bully me on GAF?
ElectricBlue187
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Dawwwwwwww
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Children used as political theater. Shame on you Barack Obama.
phosphor112
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Fuck Big Bird.
Oh all of my sides.
No, I'm just trying to get some conservatives in PoliGaf.
Ken Masters
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I'm sure the parents weren't right next to the kid telling him or her what to say. I'm just sure of it.
Squirrel Killer
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PBS killing off Sesame Street is like the Coca-Cola Company killing off Coke.
ElectricBlue187
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But killing off Big Bird is apt because he is the washed up has-been of Sesame Street characters. If budget cuts came to Sesame Street, I think Big Birds gettin one of them pink slips
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Romney was seemingly alright with oil companies continuing to receive subsidies in the debate last night, but not PBS. Obama would be remiss if he didn't draw attention to it.
OriginofHysteria
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But what if Bert and Ernie are not gay?
The Technomancer
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Its going to be really hilarious if the PBS thing turns into a serious backfire with actual repercussions. It won't, but it would be hilarious.
Possibly my favorite Cracked.com article of all time: http://www.cracked.com/blog/are-bert-ernie-gay/
Possibly my favorite Cracked.com article of all time: http://www.cracked.com/blog/are-bert-ernie-gay/
OriginofHysteria
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lmao that's a great read. Thanks for that.
ThisWreckage
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This is exactly what was wrong with Obama:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewmruk69SIo
About 50 seconds in. This laid back, mediator personality that has stuck with him hasn't done him any favors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewmruk69SIo
About 50 seconds in. This laid back, mediator personality that has stuck with him hasn't done him any favors.
So, it is big government, you just think it's big government worth having. Cool.
Normally, I would like to troll a thread like this, but I just can't at the moment.
You stupid libs should b ashamed at yourselves for your moronic reaction over Romney "winning" the debate. It was utterly embarrassing seeing all the lefty chicken littles running around with their heads chopped off, screaming "it's all over, sell your intrade stock!" and "I never believed in evolution anyway!". If nothing else, this feeds into the stupid media narrative that Romney's the new comeback kid, and Obama's out of his league. Historically debates haven't had much effect on the general election, but with the polls this close, with voter ID laws in swing states, we really can't afford to cast any doubt on Obama. Get your shit together, lefties!
You'd never see reactions like this on Freeper if Romney didn't "win".
You stupid libs should b ashamed at yourselves for your moronic reaction over Romney "winning" the debate. It was utterly embarrassing seeing all the lefty chicken littles running around with their heads chopped off, screaming "it's all over, sell your intrade stock!" and "I never believed in evolution anyway!". If nothing else, this feeds into the stupid media narrative that Romney's the new comeback kid, and Obama's out of his league. Historically debates haven't had much effect on the general election, but with the polls this close, with voter ID laws in swing states, we really can't afford to cast any doubt on Obama. Get your shit together, lefties!
You'd never see reactions like this on Freeper if Romney didn't "win".
Angry Fork
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3.5 years later and Obama is still the same lol.
NullPointer
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I'm not seeing this great panic people keep referring to. I see disappointment.
Or are you talking about TV talking heads? I don't watch that shit any more.
I'm talking about both.
My boy Chris Matthews even, had a goddamned meltdown yesterday over Obama's performance.
Well..... He is the president of the United States.
I'd say its worked quite well for him.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
The most shocking thing to come out of this thread is Oblivion admitting he's a troll.
THE ILLUSION HAS BEEN SHATTERED.
THE ILLUSION HAS BEEN SHATTERED.
One I don't think the debates matter _that_ much.
John Kerry completely destroyed Bush in the first debates, and overall as well.
What was appalling even to me, was the level of mendacity of Romney.
This is just an example of what Romney does - has been since the Repubulican debates.
He just panders and lies on stage, waits for the attention to go away, then...a staffer quietly sets the record straight.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...e-existing-conditions-under-president-rom.php
"...umm actually insurance companies _don't_ cover preexisting conditions..._"
John Kerry completely destroyed Bush in the first debates, and overall as well.
What was appalling even to me, was the level of mendacity of Romney.
This is just an example of what Romney does - has been since the Repubulican debates.
He just panders and lies on stage, waits for the attention to go away, then...a staffer quietly sets the record straight.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...e-existing-conditions-under-president-rom.php
"...umm actually insurance companies _don't_ cover preexisting conditions..._"
Chris Matthews has melt downs over anything and everything and also literally gets boners when Obama does well. He's as embarrassing as anyone on Fox.
He was more assertive and played better to his own base. That's what winning means.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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In case anyone hasn't seen the Matthews meltdown, it's here.
http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-matthews-obama-debate-reaction-video-meltdown-2012-10
Isn't he basically admitting MSNBC just runs with Democrat talking points?
Sure, to his base. But what about outside of his base, where it matters?
I think you either accept the rather problematic notion of 'winning' I described above or you decide that winning is bullshit. A political debate is really about getting across ideas and personality to the audience, not about scoring points and winning because there are millions of judges who see things differently. There is no consensus to work from and no higher authority (except the media, who have crowned themselves as such).
Baraka in the White House
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Scandalous! What self-respecting news outfit would stoop to such lows?
Dude Abides
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Chris Matthews doesn't post here so it's not clear why you're shouting at us.
Many on this board got themselves hyped about invincible Obama, master of the debate and all he surveys. Now that it's been shown that debates aren't his strong suit (which should have been obvious to anyone who paid attention in 08, but wasn't due to the aforementioned fanboyism), they are overreacting and the sky is falling. Live by the hype, die by the hype.
RiccochetJ
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I thought everyone already knew that MSNBC was the polar opposite of Fox.
Because people here also did the same thing Matthews did. Including several poligaf regulars.
bob_arctor
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Dude still abidin' as always. I admit that I didn't expect Obama to sleepwalk as much as he did though. That closing statement. Yikes.
Understood. I suppose I just wasn't won over by Mitt's personality and the way he handled things. Of course, unless you're undecided or on Team Mitt, things look a bit different.
The company I work for partnered with the Daily Beast for their interactive debate coverage last night. We provided the polling software (Urtak) and got some pretty interesting data from 12,000+ responses.
I did a quick write-up on what we got if anyone's interested: http://opinion.is/2012/a-closer-look-into-last-nights-debate/
My favorite was how people who prefer Romney's plan were four times as likely to think that the debate could change the race at this point in the campaign haha. I guess it's all they can cling to at this point.
I did a quick write-up on what we got if anyone's interested: http://opinion.is/2012/a-closer-look-into-last-nights-debate/
My favorite was how people who prefer Romney's plan were four times as likely to think that the debate could change the race at this point in the campaign haha. I guess it's all they can cling to at this point.
TacticalFox88
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It's not. Don't even try and make the comparison because there is none whatsoever.
oktarb
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Here's my comment for Obama script writers.
In the debate Romney talks fervently about creating jobs and strengthening education and then proceeds to fire people right then and there. He fires the people responsible for hosting the debate and characters responsible for helping parents teach their kids.
Way to create jobs.
In the debate Romney talks fervently about creating jobs and strengthening education and then proceeds to fire people right then and there. He fires the people responsible for hosting the debate and characters responsible for helping parents teach their kids.
Way to create jobs.
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