crazygambit
Member
Well the iPad 3 also has more RAM than other current consoles and a "really great processor". It's still quite inferior to the PS360.
Just sayin.
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Aliens on Wii U 'one of the best looking versions', "More RAM/really great processor"
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Well the iPad 3 also has more RAM than other current consoles and a "really great processor". It's still quite inferior to the PS360.
Just sayin.
Well, you are crazy if you think it has the same type of processor of the iPad.
jump_button
Banned
it is a port you know -_-
There's no info at all to suggest that 360/WiiU will be comparable to GC/Wii. Quite the opposite in fact. Wii was simply a GC clocked 50% higher with 64MB more ram. WiiU will use a much more modern GPU than 360 (DX9 vs DX10.1 or DX11) and while the CPU's will be similar in number of cores/threads and both Power based they are far from just different clocked versions of the same CPU. One is in order execution with only 1MB L2 cache and the other is out of order execution with 3MB L2 cache, that's already a fair difference.
specialguy
Banned
it's 500 from what b3d discovered back in the day. ram and gpu were both slightly downclocked at the last minute... in turn sony removed all clock speeds from all official ps3 specs from that time forward to this day.
wiki says it's 550. they are wrong. a little fanboyism at work i think. i edited to the correct 500 once long ago and it got edited right back to 550 so oh well. guess that doesnt prove my point about knowing console specs very well, but consider it an abberation.
Fair points.
Nonetheless, I expect Wii U games to be technically much more in the ballpark of PS360 than Sony and Microsoft's next-gen offerings. So there's your answer.
6x as powerful? WiiU could easily be 3x as powerful based on what we know. Making XBox 3 twice as powerful as WiiU.. is that your generation gap then?
You've already spelled out your argument, its unbelievably flimsy.
I'm honestly just glad that we will get a powerful Nintendo console. I don't care about the whole "it is or it isn't more powerful than the PS360" crap.
I've been trying to get into Nintendo since our fallout after the SNES, but the Wii didn't interest me much in part due to the poor visuals. So... it excites me a bit to see what can these guys do with more power now even if it's with the same old franchises. I haven't played a Mario game on a console since Mario64.
Good times awaits us all. Gamers I mean.
I've been trying to get into Nintendo since our fallout after the SNES, but the Wii didn't interest me much in part due to the poor visuals. So... it excites me a bit to see what can these guys do with more power now even if it's with the same old franchises. I haven't played a Mario game on a console since Mario64.
Good times awaits us all. Gamers I mean.
Yep. Already accepted this myself. It'll be amusing to watch the people still in denial slowly meltdown at E3 and over the course of the next couple of years prior to the PS4 and 720.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Hot prediction: your prediction will be wrong.
As long as all three consoles do something different, you'll still have people claiming 'best version'. You will then of course have the ridiculous nonsense of 720/PS4 fans arguing which version is better (graphically), when both get absolutely smoked by PC and maybe other devices not too far down the road, like Steam box.
I don't know why people are trying to act all superior, indignant and pretentious as though this console wars shit hasn't always existed here. There are truly some obnoxious and unreasonable posters in these threads.
afternoon delight
Member
This is some rabid fever discussion going on right now.
Which director of a game being released on 360/PS3 said that Ipad3 has a really great processor?, is it Mr nobody from don't exist studios?
Oh please, impart your wisdom.
I'm kinda curious to see we'll react when the 720/PS4 launches are filled with the same current gen port-ups, but I guess with those systems and the Wii U, those really shouldn't be the focus of what those systems can actually do.
...like that would ever stop us from complaining!
Metalmurphy
Member
There's a reason he said late in the cycle other then early in the next cycle.
If you read the full quote, I think it's pretty obvious that is is saying it will be the best console version of the game technically:
"I think the machine itself will be one of the best looking versions of the game because you know, they've got more RAM then you know, some of the other things (platforms) and because they're late in the cycle so they've got this really great processor and some of the other stuff. This particular engine has the potential to really cross the generational gap between now and then."
If you look at it alongside what Gearbox said last year:
We've got the [Aliens: Colonial Marines] engine running on the Wii U, and as far as the console goes, you're going to see textures at a resolution that you haven't seen on [the current] generation.
And take this quote from 6 days ago, which is more talking about gameplay features:
"The Wii U version has so much more to offer ... no other platform can do what the Wii U can do," he says. "If you love [Xbox] 360 games, you are not used to being in a world where you have this new interface. But once you get used to that, you imagine the possibilities; there are some opportunities that are just not possible on any platform that does not have that device."
Is that reason because he's the director of Aliens and is comparing versions of that game which isn't in development for whatever Sony or MS will come out with next?
I mean do you not think that if he was talking about a game being developed for WiiU/PS4 and XBox 3 he would then say "WiiU was quite early in the cycle so its processor is not so great". There is such a thing as context.
Because comparing the RAM of a laptop with the RAM on the consoles makes perfect sense
I believe it was llhere who said so, who is a confirmed developer.
Even better, he compared the RAM of a phone, a lot of people don't get that not all RAM is created equal.
Forsaken82
Member
The key thing to remember here is that this is a CURRENT GENERATION port. Wii U Is not the lead platform.
The worst case scenario is that it only looks better than either 360 or PS3 (which is hard to believe considering the visual parity between the two is negligible at best) while the best case scenario is that it looks better than both those systems but worse than modern day PCs...
Even in the worst case scenario, it may look visually on par, but again it is a port. The system is already confirmed to have a superior CPU and more ram than current consoles with an rumored GPU that is at the very least on par with current gen. This is all enough to make games superior to current gen on just about every level at the worst case scenario when developers actually make the time to build around the Wii U.
DimmuBurgerKing
Member
Logic has no place in this discussion.
I understand that explanation, but I was mostly referring to all the people who were downplaying what the Vigil director said strictly because he was a director and not an engineer. I'm sure if I really cared, I could find some of the same people making those comments now believing this director.
RSX is highly protected by NDA so you'll never get confirmation on that even though it really is 500MHz.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
No I get that. I'm just amused at the stupid quote stating that "one of the best versions of the game" suggests it's superior to the 360/PS3 version. It doesn't suggest anything other than the U version will be nice.
A confirmed developer on this forum said that there is a range of memory in WiiU development kits starting at 2GB but that his kit had the higher amount in that range. People have assumed that means 3GB:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=32744593&highlight=range#post32744593
StealthGoblin
Banned
The fact that he said 'late in the cycle' tells me he considers it to be PS3/360 range, which says enough for me. They'll get my money anyway at some point because of Zelda. Brand new Zelda though, not a port.
Please don't speak for everyone who posts in that thread especially if this opinion is what you got at a glance.
@Ubermatik - lherre didn't specify a memory amount, he only stated that the kits have 2GB+ of memory implying that the retail system will come with 1GB at the least all while stating that out of this 2GB+ kit, developers (or his dev team) were working with the upper bound of this memory amount.
Hot Coldman
Banned
You can't not love it.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I honestly don't doubt that U will be marginally surperior to the 6-7yr old Sony/Microsoft systems. I just don't get why a thread was made about such a pointless comment. I guess both sides are looking for ammo to prove the system is either weaker or stronger than current consoles.
I have read that sentence four or five times and I just cannot get my head around it at all.
Racist.
Would be funny if it ended up with 768mb of overall RAM.
Metalmurphy
Member
He's not talking about the game at that point, he's talking about the console. One company making multiple consoles for the same generation isn't exactly unprecedented you know. You don't consider a new generation just because there is a new console, there needs to be a considerable leap, the way he said it still belongs to this cycle means he doesn't consider it worthy enough for the next one.
SolarPowered
Member
People are probably going to try and distort the truth, but even the most hardcore Nintendo fan never expected a full generation jump from Nintendo. Most of us are plenty excited by the idea of Nintendo making the PS2 of the next gen roundup though. The console just needs to stay within close distance of the next gen ones. I certainly don't want a Wii U the size of a 360 with the price tag of a PS3.
NinjaBoiX
Member
So your argument is that Nintendo have just been incredibly modest, and their console is actually three times as powerful as we have been led to believe? And if that incredibly unlikely scenario came to be, Xbox 3 would only be around twice as powerful.
Wow, OK. That's...insightful.
What don't you get there? IF XBox 3 is 6x as powerful as 360 (which is not my suggestion but his) and WiiU is 3x as powerful as 360 then XBox 3 would be 2x as powerful as WiiU.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Again, this is Nintendo's next generational console. I don't care if this thing is as weak as the Wii is. This IS the next generation Nintendo console just as the PS4 will be Sony's and the next Xbox will be Microsoft's next generation console. The innards don't define that. The very fact its the NEXT release is what defines it. The Wii was the next gen console for Nintendo in 2006 even though it was barely a step up from the previous gen.
Ah yes that's true, my apologies.
Erm no... The person I replied to mentioned XBox3 possibly being 6x 360. I said that in that case if WiiU ends up 3 x 360 that would leave XBox3 only twice as powerful as WiiU which is hardly a generational leap. It did not say any of it was fact, I was giving him an example based on what he'd said.
By the way 3 x 360 is in no way unrealistic for WiiU. If you've been lead to believe otherwise then that comes down to you only being interested in rumours that match your views. I mean we know WiiU has at least 3x as much RAM as 360.
NinjaBoiX
Member
But Wii U isn't 3 times as powerful as 360. Sorry, I'm really struggling to see your point here. You basically said, "he'd be completely wrong if this incredibly unlikely chain of events happened."
Yes. Yes, I guess I would. Kind of how I'd be wrong if I said the sun won't come out tomorrow.
Vire
Member
Where on Earth are they getting this "3 times as powerful as 360" stuff?