Earthbound64
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You think that's all most of them are doing?
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Am I missing something, where's the rebellion
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You think that's all most of them are doing?
"Get on my level son"
BlackDoomShadow
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Like many other things today, teenagers have been polarized along racial lines.
It is true that many white male teens have been co-opted by corporate America and hate groups to "rebel" against liberals, women, and people of color who hold no actual power in society.
However, many women and teens of color are out there doing great things (as are some of their white male allies) in the Trump era and participating in a level of activism not seen since Vietnam.
Don't allow the Enemy to hide what the good people are doing.
It is true that many white male teens have been co-opted by corporate America and hate groups to "rebel" against liberals, women, and people of color who hold no actual power in society.
However, many women and teens of color are out there doing great things (as are some of their white male allies) in the Trump era and participating in a level of activism not seen since Vietnam.
Don't allow the Enemy to hide what the good people are doing.
Earthbound64
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Mammoth Jones
Member
This. Exactly this. I cringe at my teenage self. Christ.
No, but I don't really think people are so sexually liberated that "traditional" marriage would be considered rebellious.
The Woodstock generation was also the Trump generation (same generation, in fact, he was 22/23 in 1969). But what you're seeing there is the silent-majority effect come into play. Many Boomers did actually go from hippie to pro-Klan, but most of them were already that way and it simply manifested more in old age, encouraged by Fox News and the belief that it's okay to be conservative when you're old but not when you're young.
The fringe elements of youthful counterculture burn out, but the Boomers brought us stuff like the Sexual Revolution and bringing illegal drugs into cultural vogue in a way that it was hard for reactionaries to tamp down. Sure the War on Drugs followed the hippie era, but the pro-legalization movement was born then and survived the dark times, outlasting the anti-drug phenomenon.
Youthful rebellion does make change, but those changes become a part of established life. Our sexual culture in particular is entirely a product of Trump's generation, paradoxically enough.
blue_phazon
Member
Alt-right IS the new counterculture. It's a backlash against all the social progress made in the last couple decades, by people (mostly white men) who think progress swung too far. Theres this emerging and disturbing idea that feminism is sexist against men, or that white people are villified.
Earthbound64
Banned
OP was a teen during the 2000s.
I'm sure he did a bunch to rebel and change things then.
Like, you know, wearing makeup.
I would agree with this general take. The Alt-Right, things like the "Quiverfull" movement- this is reactionary stuff rebelling against mainstream social change.
ClosingADoor
Member
Kids have less sex, less crime, do better in school. They got a screen in front of their faces by their parents and told to not go outside because it is scary. And now we complain they aren't rebellious enough.
Millenials/Gen Z are the first post-unleaded gas generations in the US. The reduction in impulsive behavior that has helped reduce crime rates has had effects like that elsewhere as well.
Brock Reiher
Banned
So am I
Still waiting
For this world to stop hating
Still waiting
For this world to stop hating
tearsintherain
Member
Since the 90s there have been groups that grew up together on the internet, I remember having friends pretty much only over AOL then internet BBS' then usenet then IRC then Everquest, etc. Its just became way more mainstream today, so its not super weird to only have virtual friends and few real world friends. Facebook, twitter, reddit, instagram, snapchat, etc have gone mainstream and replaced all the underground online areas of the last 20 years. NeoGAF in many ways represents the internet of the 90s.
And I'd definitely challenge your idea that the youngest generation is the most progressive. Probably the hippies from the 60s & early 70s were the most progressive, while they weren't a majority even of the youth they thought they were going to literally change the world from a capitalist patriarchy to some sort of communal utopia, and they did a lot of stuff to get their message out, stuff that still resonates today from organic farms to counterculture to music festivals.
Of course they mostly completely turned to ultra capitalists in the 80s, so it'll be interesting to see where the progressive activists youth of today turn towards in 5-10 years when they are faced with the choice of wealth or principles/helping others. I suspect the results will be something no one can predict or expect.
titiklabingapat
Member
We're too busy trying to figure out where to live first.
Earthbound64
Banned
There's a chronology of my teenage years.
Permanently A
Junior Member
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
they are wearing diapers on campus it seems.
The Fatal Englishman
Member
While I don't believe the younger generations are responsible for Trump, the demographics involved in the online Milo-supporting alt-right tend to be on the younger side, as far as we know.
https://psmag.com/news/on-the-milo-bus-with-the-lost-boys-of-americas-new-right
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
It's not that Gen Zs have no contrarian Ideas, It is that Gen Y has dominion of all the spaces were you think you would hear their plights and drown their voices.
And it has been like that for the later half of the 20th century. No one cares what teenagers are saying in their private spaces when college students are blocking streets, rallying, and shouting in public. Now apply that to the internet.
And it has been like that for the later half of the 20th century. No one cares what teenagers are saying in their private spaces when college students are blocking streets, rallying, and shouting in public. Now apply that to the internet.
this is lame
this is not yet another opportunity to post dog leg OH I KNOW THAT comedy videos. it's part of the tapestry of what we're talking about here.
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Wasn't that Gen X?
it was. nobody ever talks about that part,
i mean they sucked. but they had an ethos.
Acerac
Banned
You seem to keep missing this question OP.
Perhaps if people keep quoting it you will answer.
Liljagare
Gold Member
Helped to bring down the wall, helped to bring about the Pride parades. Thought the next generation would bring super punks and super mods because of the new thing, internet.
Imagine the ways you could involve people.
But, guess it didn't work.
Earthbound64
Banned
To be fair, he did "answer" it...
But then edited it out, apparently...
Zelenogorsk
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retweeting some hot take is easier than voting in the midterms.
Incitemaybe
Member
Even since I was a kid there was always the infallible idea that to beat the system you had to join it.
All that's done is cemented the systems power. We're in it till it's over unfortunately.
All that's done is cemented the systems power. We're in it till it's over unfortunately.
Funyarinpa
Member
Cannot really challenge you on whether the hippies were more progressive or not. I wasn't alive then.
However, our generation does differ in that (unless I'm missing something), there are many conflicting ideologies. Some don't care, others are righteous, others are indignant. Perhaps that shows there's more stability in the current "factions" of our generation, so to speak.
Conflicting ideologies, and I'm not sure that's really the core of what's going on in the US as I think most Americans have broadly similar worldviews, is a feature of every place with a developed public sphere. Meanwhile I'd say most actual groups being created now, by the virtue of the cultural effect of the internet, are more transient that ever before.
This.
Every punk-looking teen I meet through my job is a raging /pol/kiddy.
Also I could just about swear they are much more anti-weed than the people 10 years older than them.
The internet has done more to fracture groups, than unite them. The impersonality, and fabrication of perfect "enemies" is too easy, and people fall for it.
80's and 90's kids had the advantage of collapsing regimes falling simultaneously as they protested. But let's be honest, a lot of them became the man as soon as they had their turn.
I think the greater importance of the internet is that in the perceived social mobility given by the internet damaged a lot of what holds groups together: shared history, social inertia, and institutional inertia.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
There was supposed to be an earth-shattering rebellion!
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Wheres the rebellion? It got defanged, bought up and sold back to us as a hot new life-style choice.
Neo-Liberal Capitalism is a giant fucking tar-baby.
Neo-Liberal Capitalism is a giant fucking tar-baby.
RipperGrim
Member
Dude it's everywhere, veganism is growing fast as fuck and I have no clue why people always ignore the thousands upon thousands of protesters who turn up against white supremacist/nazi rallies who normally have like 30 people attending them. Occupy Wall street, BLM, antifa, the alt right movement, anti-trump protests are just some examples that are powered by millennials.There's a fucking cultural war going on right now in the west with people demanding change be it good or bad.
The reason is because outside of BLM none of those are large and sustained. Meanwhile millennials aren't the generation he's talking about. They aren't currently teens.
we have got all of them hooked on Minecraft and mobile therefore we nipped the rebellion in the bud before it began.
Baraka Obama
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I don't believe this is real