DragonSworne
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Probably not, but Nintendo lead producers/developers seem to show an unordinarily high level of disinterest in playing games from other companies.
I think a policy like that should be instilled at Nintendo.
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Aonuma: New Zelda is not inspired by Skyrim; played because name similar to Skyward
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Probably not, but Nintendo lead producers/developers seem to show an unordinarily high level of disinterest in playing games from other companies.
I think a policy like that should be instilled at Nintendo.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
There it goes. Yeah I have no idea maybe he only wants to make zelda but with the way Nintendo is not on a high right now sales wise they have him working harder than he has before. He doesnt like that.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
He played it because the fucking name is similar? One of the most significant RPGs ever made and the only reason it made it on his radar is that the name is similar to his game.
Sorry, but you are acting as if Aounuma is not playing any games, when in fact he's stating something completely different: "As a producer, whenever I can find more time to play games, I'm taking that free time to go out and play other games just to play them and see what's out there." That he can't play every game is obvious and which games have priority for him is something out of our realm of knowledge. Stating that he's ignorant to the current trends of the industry, because he's not of the opinion that Skyrim is an important inspiration for the Zelda franchise is beyond silly.
Also, he's the producer, not the director or a designer. His role is primarily to manage a project and to make it work. He's not (primarily at least) the person who comes up with the ideas for the games.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I wouldn't. He has no interest in Anouma or Zelda, he just comes into every single Nintendo thread where they might have put a foot wrong or not done something a certain way and finds some covert way of illustrating it as a sign of Nintendo's failure and eventual death.
Why? So instead of "shitty motion combat" we can get revolutionary "RT for attack, hold RT for strong attack, LT to block" combat? Apart from maybe the scale of the world, there's nothing remotely imitable in Skyrim that Zelda might utilise.
Sound rough for him, he and Sakurai definitely need some time off after they're done.
I'm all for Zelda doing its own thing. Sure he can look at other games, see how they do it, but in the end, I just want Zelda to be Zelda, not like some other game. If I wanted Zelda to be like another game, I would buy that other game.
Pretty sure both of them were joking. Koizumi is in charge of EAD Tokyo and the producer of the 3D Mario franchises; there's (sadly) no way that he would be able to develop something else at this point. Similar to Aounuma's, his position is too important as that he could leave it.
Wasn't he involved in creating OoT? Like dungeon design or something. Maybe I'm misremembering.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Exactly. Once you lean towards being something else you aren't you anymore.
Yep. Koizumi is not directing anymore. He's the producer since Galaxy 2.
RobFox64tm
Member
Single dumbest thing I've ever seen you post... and that's saying a lot.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Yeah it was joke..but there was a little truth in there i bet
tirkaroKujo
Member
Crisis narrowly averted.
Now he should go and play himself some Dark Souls instead.
Now he should go and play himself some Dark Souls instead.
Not one games company works like this. You're ridiculously delusional.
What you're proposing is basically an environment where everybody plays the most popular games so the same ideas can be copied ad nauseum. Basically every game will end up as bland as Darksiders. I'd rather people do what they bloody well want, regardless of influence from outside sources.
What they should do is make a "master quest" (or something similar) unlockable content in every Zelda game after you beat it. It would give the games imo excellent replay value. It honestly shouldn't be hard to at the very least ramp up the difficulty and scramble the dungeons
YosemiteHam
Member
Thank fucking christ.
I was getting scared there for a minute.
I was getting scared there for a minute.
DragonSworne
Banned
Given that's the case, Nintendo should prioritize people's time to play games during work hours. I think this is very important for a designer/producer should have ample time to play the latest games.
If Aonuma isn't designing the game, then why is it news that he might be taking influence from This article and the reference articles are completely pointless and any discussion about Aonuma playing games is pointless as far as Zelda design is concerned.
I'm glad they don't. The only thing I'd want them to learn from other games are UI-related.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
It's very clear that their workload is too heavy to play almost entirely irrelevant games during their workday. I agree with the concept that devs should play other games, but I don't think they should focus so much time on somebody elses creation. And as I've said, especially not Skyrim. There's little to learn there.
And why do I feel like you'd be the first person criticizing Nintendo for lifting game mechanics and ideas wholesale if they ever did such a thing?
It's only when I look at you quoting me that I realize I got Hayashida's name wrong.
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I would like them to do that though. I'm not sure how, but they should do something more about ramping up the difficulty. They only up the damage output that enemies do. No new patterns or anything.
Not everything is some grand indictment of Nintendo.
DragonSworne
Banned
I dunno, I generally don't criticize knock offs.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Dragonsword, you think thats something? Did you know miyamoto went inside the watch_dogs booth at E3 2012?
Work on tutorials (since I guess people complained about that in SS) and how the aide character interacts with you.
Although I was "ok" with Fi compared to every one else's opinion, she was no Midna.
lol
No, it really is easy to hit the "scramble dungeon" button that designs new puzzles in the same geometry, balances them and adjusts them to the overall flow to the game. Should be done in a day or so by an intern.
Seriously, do we still live in the real world or did I miss the exit ramp to fantasy land?.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
So you'd rather the Zelda series be a knockoff than do its own thing. Reason 4064 not to listen to anything you say.
Escape Goat
Member
They both had Sky in their name so he had to check it out!
DragonSworne
Banned
At E3, Miyamoto also said that he didn't see any games he would have liked to have created.
Either his standards are too high or he's just not in sync with the industry.
Vaguely ties into my UI option. I simply would want the ability to turn it off or ignore it. I'm currently writing an analysis on the openings of both TP and SS and, to give a brief summary, I think they are both done very well and get an unfair rap.
Or he didn't see EVERY game at E3 because he doesn't have time to sit in every demo and check out every indie and those he did see didn't look interesting to him.
DragonSworne
Banned
Console Zelda games have been a heavily influenced by aLttP since the release of OoT so I wouldn't consider any Zelda game to be doing their own thing.
He even went to watch the 007 Skyfall movie.
Zelda Wii U to now be a stealth action game.
I was perfectly fine with the tutorial in SS. TP on the other hand...
Can't wait to read what you wrote if you make a thread
There's positive and negative in that. Especially since (outside the awesome indie presence and the ideas contained there) most publishers were presenting the same thing they usually do. The "AAA" industry is... well, just watch the Conan segment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO5imsViKp0
He also didn't see everything at E3, because pretty much nobody does.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Zelda series is influenced by previous Zelda entries. Who would have thought.
How is Skyrim significant? It does nothing new. It does nothing that other open world games haven't done and done better. The only thing that sets it apart from other open world RPGs is it's size.
I'm sure that both would love to get a break from their current usual projects. Aounuma in particular has been surprisingly vocal in the past months: He complained about being the only producer of the Zelda franchise, he's saying he's lacking time to spend with his family and he also said that he wants to work on a non-Zelda game, because he feels that he's running out of time. I'm sure that Koizumi doesn't want to work for the rest of his time on Mario games either, if he had the chance.
But you've got to keep in mind that it's a business we are talking about. I'm sure that a desire to work on something different is something pretty much everyone who's been working in a certain field of work feels. But at the same time, it's the reality that most people aren't able to just change their responsibilities.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
So they're LttP knockoffs then? By your metric, you should be happy with the series. And you'd be hard pressed to call Skyward Sword a LttP knockoff, or Wind Waker for that matter, but I'm sure you have your poorly-argued reasons.
Also, "knockoff" is a synonym for "sequel", so it would seem. Who knew.
I disagree.
Bethesda may have its own problems, but it didn't get to being considered one of the top devs in the industry by completely sucking at EVERYTHING. Nintendo could and should take a few pointers on world building and deeper play mechanics. My biggest problem with the last few Zelda games is how ultimately shallow they end up being.
DragonSworne
Banned
In what way is aLttP the leading edge in game design?
That was my complaint, that he isn't keeping up with the latest in the industry. But it turns out that he seems to play games when he does get a chance, but how often that is and his criteria for the games he plays is unknown. Well, we do know one criteria, if the title of the game sounds similar to his own games he will play it. -_-
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Which games do you think miyamoto shouldve wanted to create?
I was perfectly fine with the tutorial in SS. TP on the other hand...
Can't wait to read what you wrote if you make a thread
Don't think I'll make a thread. It's LONG LONG LONG as I'm going through almost every step in the opening parts of the game and I doubt many would care to read about it. I might post it as a blog somewhere.
That said, I'd suggest you try and replay TP until you're in the first proper dungeon and look at what the game has you do. I think the main issue comes from players wanting to get to the first real dungeon when they have the game in their hands for the first time as soon as possible and TP has so many different mechanics and plot and characters to set up that takes you a lot longer to get to that point. At the same time, once you're in the first dungeon you already have a couple of key items with you and learned all the basics you'll need over the course of the entire game.
If you want I could PM you a link once I'm done writing this thing.
What deeper play mechanics? The skill trees? Skyrim is pretty shallow in the gameplay department. It's like a big puddle, you can do a lot of stuff but it's all pretty easy.
As someone who's played Bethesda's games rather extensively, I'm not sure you want to go down the path of calling them "deep mechanics" in many respects. There was a large thread not too long ago discussing just that (and the lack thereof), if you feel like digging it up.
This! More completely optional, deep and rewarding sidequests. Since Aonuma loves NPCs so much let them send me on some satisfying quests.
RobFox64tm
Member
Really? I understand the presentation of the open world, and why that's so popular in these games, but as far as how the game actually plays, I just can't agree. Compared to the gameplay in Zelda, particularly that of Skyward Sword, I found Skyrims to be very mechanical and average. Not bad, but not doing anything out of the ordinary that Nintendo should "learn" from, especially considering the difference in perspective between the two games.
Sure, PM me once you're done.
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