No it didn't. What in the world are you basing that on? Because it isn't sales.
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Apple Will Debut New Apple TV In September
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Plex will most likely build a client app like they've done with iOS.
TheAbsolution
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It is quite close though. Chromecast has sold 17 million over one generation while Apple TV has sold more than 25 million over three.
Starlord 84
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Those first few people seem to think this is about a literal Apple TV. The actual unit was refreshed in 2012 and it was never a device that received an annual refresh.
But it's not the same thing-a Chromecast requires another device-and AppleTV is standalone.
Maninthemirror
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Just imagine
The ability to have all the channels roku has
The ability to have live streaming tv from normal cable lineups like sling tv
The ability to dvr record them
The a ability to have all your iPhone apps on your tv
The ability to do PIP between live tv and apps on your tv
Controls all apps from your phone
Stream from your phone to your tv
If this comes them it's game over as there is no Spotify in this space
The ability to have all the channels roku has
The ability to have live streaming tv from normal cable lineups like sling tv
The ability to dvr record them
The a ability to have all your iPhone apps on your tv
The ability to do PIP between live tv and apps on your tv
Controls all apps from your phone
Stream from your phone to your tv
If this comes them it's game over as there is no Spotify in this space
Stumpokapow
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This still doesn't get you to where you want to be, because it's not clear how many the Apple TV sold since the Chromecast came out and it's also not clear they're in direct competition and it's also not clear if the new device will be something more like a Chromecast in price, something more like a Roku in price, or something more like a premium Fire TV set in price.
Certainly I agree there's probably a broader market demand for a plug-in dongle for phone streaming than there is for a dedicated set-top box, especially as TVs increasingly have Netflix and the other biggies built in, but then I think that asks the question "what justifies, say, the $99 pricepoint".
How would you discern that? Perhaps they're like me and thought it was about the much rumoured about next iteration of Apple TV. I've been waiting for it for quite some time.
PhoncipleBone
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Derp. My brain didn't go there. My bad.
I still wish they would allow external storage, but I know it will never happen. Or at least just let it access a NAS so I don't need a computer on all the time to act as a server.
Frank Serpico
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The remote isn't a big deal as you can use an iPhone, iPad or apple watch anyway
Are you kidding? The Fire TV Stick or the Roku Stick blow it out of the water.
infiniteloop
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El Cap has a driver for a new BT remote so seems likely:
http://9to5mac.com/2015/06/25/4k-imac-2015-apple-tv-remote-touch/
yeah sales wise it's definitely selling at a faster rate
infiniteloop
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iPhone 6s/Apple TV event will be Sept 9th according to Paczkowski.
http://9to5mac.com/2015/08/07/repor...nnounced-at-sept-9-event-ipad-pro-a-wildcard/
http://9to5mac.com/2015/08/07/repor...nnounced-at-sept-9-event-ipad-pro-a-wildcard/
Try to keep up.
infiniteloop
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No UHD and no Apple service make this pointless for anyone but diehards
No one but UHD diehards care about UHD.
It's a streaming box. That's where a majority of UHD content will be coming from for some time.
But what else is new for Apple. They've been consistently behind the times with this device.
The bigger issue is how infrequently they update the hardware. That means they still won't have UHD even when it's more than just for 'diehards'.
To me this sounds like you dont think theyll update the hardware in the next 5 years maybe even longer. UHD isnt going to be a major selling point anytime soon. Most people just do not care.
PhoncipleBone
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"WE GOT UHD HERE!"
Pretty much.
In the future, sure. But we're still years away from UHD content becoming mainstream. That's why I said it's misguided to think regular people won't buy this because of no UHD support.
And I don't think your second conclusion will hold once the SDK comes out. That will require more regular updates.
And we're years away from people not needing regular USB connections, but that didn't stop Apple from removing them from their new computers. They could, and should, add support for UHD. Why be so incredibly forward thinking when it means removing value than when it comes to actually adding value.
The problem is that it doesn't actually do much besides add cost to the device.
Chittagong
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Didn't they do a 1080P refresh to the current Apple TV pretty quickly though, after launching with 720P? 4K shouldn't be a big thing
Mysterious
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Serious question: What can an AppleTV do that a PS4, Wii U or Xbox One can't do, other than stream your iTunes library?
Yep, but they also used it as an excuse to make it so people couldnt jailbreak the new model, which I didn't mind because I was able to sell mine for 150 dollars, which I then used to buy the 1080p version for 65 dollars.
It can do all those things the PS4, XB1 etc can do, but slower and with a clunkier UI. I'm guessing the new hardware will have a UI and OS that isn't terrible though. But to be fair, it has infinitely more apps than the PS4 and Wii U. From your list, only the Xbox One has a better selection.
It was a hardware change wasn't it? Didn't get it till the 3rd gen I think.
Chittagong
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Yeah it was a new chip. A5 maybe. Crazy to think Apple TV still sells with that chip. That's probably the reason for them to begrudgingly update the hardware now, making those chips is not economical.
If it gets access to the app store, they'll update it every year going forward. They'll put in the latest processor.
The Wii U is an absolute joke for streaming media. The PS4 is decent, and the Xbox One is great. But they are 4-5x more expensive than the current Apple TV. Even if Apple bumps the price to $150/200, it'll still be cheaper.
The Wii U is an absolute joke for streaming media. The PS4 is decent, and the Xbox One is great. But they are 4-5x more expensive than the current Apple TV. Even if Apple bumps the price to $150/200, it'll still be cheaper.
The only thing the X1 doesn't have worth a damn is HBO Now(i think), but it shits on the AppleTV in every other category outside of price (duh). PS4 is decent enough. Wii U is lol.
TheAbsolution
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Roku will always be king in terms of app selection though. They have everything.
Another huge thing (imho) when it comes to comparing to consoles is power consumption. Both PS4 and XBONE are well over 50w for media streaming. Apple TV IIRC is like 4w. Not to mention significantly faster to switch between services. Finally if you are deep in Apple's ecosystem, AirPlay then is another crazy convenient source to play from (OS X or iOS). Also Apple forces UI consistency which is really nice.
My PS4 sees regular usage, but for streaming I only use it for Amazon. Everything else is better from ATV. Amazon I just don't want to tie up my iPad or iPhone to play it from my ATV.
Glad Apple is going forward with this even though their service isn't ready. Need a new one. Hoping for HDMI-CEC.
My PS4 sees regular usage, but for streaming I only use it for Amazon. Everything else is better from ATV. Amazon I just don't want to tie up my iPad or iPhone to play it from my ATV.
Glad Apple is going forward with this even though their service isn't ready. Need a new one. Hoping for HDMI-CEC.
If Apple actually includes AppStore look for Roku to be dethroned. The only reason Roku has retained its title is because up to now it's been way easier to get services on Roku than anyone else. With access to AppStore that could change.
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AirPlay if you have an iPhone, iPad or iPod touch. Super easy to stream any video (ie from websites etc.) from those devices to TV with an Apple TV.
Apple still likely won't have Amazon, Vudu, Google Play, etc though.
PhoncipleBone
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If they open an app store, they might have to put some of those on there so they don't get in trouble for anti trust stuff.
SmackCrackleNPop
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If there's an App Store, I can see Google Play, Amazon and Vudu. They won't have options to purchase straight from the Apple TV though because of the cut Apple wants.
All I've really wanted from my Apple TV was Amazon Instant Video and Vudu. Google Play movie/tv show purchases show up in YouTube anyway.
Roku has a bunch of apps but the vast majority are garbage. Just getting some of the heavy hitters on the Apple TV all store will help it a lot.
All I've really wanted from my Apple TV was Amazon Instant Video and Vudu. Google Play movie/tv show purchases show up in YouTube anyway.
Roku has a bunch of apps but the vast majority are garbage. Just getting some of the heavy hitters on the Apple TV all store will help it a lot.
Frank Serpico
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Won what? Apple TV has always been a better experience for me
But Vudu needs to be offered on Apple TV
It's practically the only reason people are upgrading their tvs and you can't even find 1080p sets in certain price and feature bands now. It's a thing.
I highly doubt the common person is going to upgrade their TV because of UHD. I think the only reason people today upgrade their TV is because the old one died.
not now at least. they could make a big premium hd tv with an apple on the back, feature-packed and future proof. they would charge a small fortune, and make a large one.
SmackCrackleNPop
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4K delivery probably won't be common enough until 3-5 years. Relying on up scaling content right now if you have a 4K TV is okay. Not a deal breaker.
Hopefully they're waiting until they can do it right with HDMI 2.0, 10-bit color and everyone having fast broadband.
Hopefully they're waiting until they can do it right with HDMI 2.0, 10-bit color and everyone having fast broadband.
Meus Renaissance
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It needs an App Store. That's all. I'm tempted to buy a current model now with the hope that a firmware update (is such a thing possible?) enables the Store.
The problem with the current model is that it has virtually no storage, and it's rocking a gimped version of the iPhone 4S processor. I can't see it getting app store support.
Furthermore, that would be super annoying for developers having to straddle such an insane gap in performance
thecouncil
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I feel like this thread happens a lot.
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