If we're talking about gay LGBT Republicans, it's the Republican candidate likely losing the vote in this case.
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"Ask The Gays!": LGBT voters back Hillary over Trump, 84% to 16%
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Juke Joint Jezebel
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Sums up politicians in general. They'll oppose something or have a view that's seen as negative, but then change their stance on it when it something happens to a demographic of people to boost their profile or improve their campaign chances. Even Hillary did the old sudden switcheroo tactic as well after a decade of opposing gay marriage as well after that got passed.
Hillary supported Gay marriage privately for years before she came out for it publicly. She also voted for pro-gay legislation throughout her tenure as New York Senator. I think it can be said that Hillary is more akin to someone actually evolving on an issue in a genuine way.
Trump, however, is the very example of "saying whatever it is you need to say to get elected." To the point that he's changed positions on policies in a single day.
Donald Trump is a cartoon character. It makes no sense to compare him to any other actual politician in any meaningful way.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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Sounds like bullshit to me. Why would she do that? For votes?
What kind of evolution can you have when you supposedly already support something?
EverythingShiny
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One of my gay friends is planning on voting for Trump. He used to be a Bernie supporter and his reason is basically "Hillary is corrupt so I'm not voting for her." His only response to the shooting in Orlando was that we needed to elect someone strong on national security. I've given up trying to talk to him about it.
Monocle
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Corrupt vs racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, hypocritical, egomaniacal, dishonest, impulsive, politically inexperienced, generally ignorant, and authoritarian.
Your friend is a real deep thinker.
The insane mental hurdles people go through so they don't have to vote for a woman
EmpressInYellow
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Well, yeah, sadly.
It's the same with Obama. There's evidence he supported marriage equality long before he ran for president. But at the time, marriage equality was still a pretty divisive issue nationally, so pretty much no national-level politician would come out and endorse it. Instead, you'd get half-measures like "civil unions" and whatnot.
It's depressing and doesn't exactly cover those politicians in glory, but given the choice between:
1: A politician who equivocates in public statements but is able to achieve concrete gains once elected; and
2: A politician who openly states their convictions, no matter the political cost, and doesn't get elected as a result
...I'm gonna have to go for option 1. It kinda sucks, but, well, reality is what it is.
(To clarify, I believe there is some room for politicians to have "evolved" on the issue, but I think in most cases, they simply shifted their public stances in accordance with public opinion.)
Do you have a source for this? I know Obama supported same-sex marriage privately way back in the 90s, so I'd be curious if Hillary felt similarly before it was legalized.
Thanks for that. Interesting:
We paid a heavy price in the 2004 presidential election over gay rights so I can see why Obama avoided tackling the issue. But it was the wrong thing to do, he should have been there in 2008, 2009 at the latest.
Electric Eye
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Maybe its a fetish?
NipplesAndToes23
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I would think the amount would be lower for Trump and of course the majority wouldn't go for his racist, homophobic ass.
jim-jam bongs
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When Trump says "ask the gays", he pretty much means "ask Milo Yiannopolous".
Not sure why so many are surprised. Not everyone places the same weight on their gender, sexuality, race, socioeconomic status, religion, etc.
Sometimes, people are passionate about things that do not necessarily match with whatever bin everyone else wants to put them in.
Keeping that in mind, 15 - 30 % of gays voting republican sounds about right.
Sometimes, people are passionate about things that do not necessarily match with whatever bin everyone else wants to put them in.
Keeping that in mind, 15 - 30 % of gays voting republican sounds about right.
GoldenEye 007
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He was supposed to speak at UCF this week but UCF was like yeah, we're not going to be able to guarantee your security so maybe do it somewhere else.
He seems really inflammatory.
jim-jam bongs
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This was right after Orlando:
Possibly a touch inflammatory. Take note of the hat.
Gamergate and I guess apparently Trump supporters love him because he's gay but also just like them in his beliefs apparently. He's basically the "black friend" of the group they use to reassure themselves they aren't racists/bigots/homophobes.
Vicetrailia
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Because LGBT don't have battles to fight in their own country, of which trump is more than happy to let go to the wayside?
Oh God, no! Basically Gay Uncle Toms. They're "one of the good ones". They're the worst.
jim-jam bongs
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Milo is the superstar of Breitbart, an alt-right hero by virtue of being a gay Jew who hates progressives. His rise to relevancy has largely been off the back of giving faux legitimacy to Gamergaters by being a proactive "best-internet-friend is a GayJew so I can't be a fuckwit", he's pretty much just a horrible piece of human garbage.
NoblesseOblige
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I'm really unsure how he got 16%. I guess not everyone puts their sexual freedom above ... whatever it is Trump is pushing for?
He's badly dyed hair with an idiot attached to it.
He's badly dyed hair with an idiot attached to it.
TheLaughingStock
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Was this a deep thought given one thing was listed for Hillary (& according to GAF inaccurate) vs. 10 for Mr. Trump? Seems extremely biased.
Road of Ease
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16% is still too much
Dark Ninja
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16%!! Trumps gonna win
Moff
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This was right after Orlando:
Possibly a touch inflammatory. Take note of the hat.
how is that allowed on twitter? even long enough to get over 900 retweets?
Well of course. Hillary has historically high unfavorables for a reason, and it's not simply the throwaway "sexist" reason many on GAF want to believe.
Don't forget that Clinton tried to get game sales regulated in the early 2000s. She's proven that she'll jump on any cause that'll make her appear tough to get votes.
It's like Trump produces his own attack ad that runs against himself 24/7 on Twitter. It's amazing.
Sexism is not a throwaway reason for why people dislike Hillary, it's pretty much how all of the negative attention on her began and perpetuates to this day. You'd have to be blind to not be able to see that.
Rudelord
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Because unless I'm mistaken about twitter's ToS there's nothing rule breaking about it. No one is forcing anyone to look at it.
TheLostBigBoss
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why wouldn't it be allowed on twitter?
professor_t
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I'm flabbergasted by the 16%.
...yes?
20+years of this crap being thrown at her.
But games tho
Not going to go into it but it really really is not a "non-issue".
Probably one of the greatest/most effective trolls in recent memory. He's gay. He's conservative. He uses those facts to get under people's skin.
Now your other posts makes sense. 😂
She's hated more because she's a democrat than a white woman.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Let's see... someone who was originally against, but then changed her mind on gay marriage vs. a demagogue with no political experience who is a bigot of all kinds and could potentially set our country back by years when he enters office.
I mean when you put it like that, the choice becomes so incredibly nuanced for LGBT, huh?
It doesn't really. I mean, somebody like Ted Cruz is probably 10 times as bigoted against this demographics as he is. So the fact that he's getting less LGBT support than previous Republican presidential candidates is a good sign.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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We were only able to get it passed nationwide last year. I'd say that a majority of the people who currently support gay marriage only turned around at some point in the 2000s.
Dubbedinenglish
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And a racist, and a bigot and writes for a racist publication.
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