GTP_Daverytimes
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Atramental said:And by GTP_Daverytimes's logic you believe that cows are holy.
OM. ॐ
Funniest thing to come out of here, i can't knock around their believes.
Atramental said:And by GTP_Daverytimes's logic you believe that cows are holy.
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Qwomo said:I laughed so hard my sides hurt.
TaeOH said:So I would like to know what your cause was as an atheist if you are not a naturalist.
TaeOH said:I don't even see how we could define "good" or "evil" without some objective moral code. I don't see how that comes about naturally.
GTP_Daverytimes said:Fuck is a popular saying yet there are people out there that avoid saying it because of their moral standing, why? Should they start uttering the word Fuck and forget about their moral standing just because its a popular saying? anyways the longer i stay here the more drowsy i get. i need some sleep i have been up since 5 in the morning.
Not when there is no God. It's like saying "Thor damn it!" or something. It doesn't mean anything. Even damnation itself is completely meaningless. It's a form of saying "I don't like this particular thing", basically.Cyan said:Isn't "God damn it!" objectively immoral?
Lesath said:I mean, both you and I are totally fine with Tiw's Day, Odin's Day, Thor's Day, and Frejya's Day. Do you blaspheme every time you recall a day of the week?
Pixel Pete said:well, I certainly am not, pagan!
<3 paganism
Pixel Pete said:It's interesting to know, sure, but largely irrelevant. You do it anyway. Do you personally think homosexuals are inherently evil, an 'abomination', 'detestable', etc?
TaeOH said:I think we ALL have a sin nature as we are ALL in rebellion of God.
les papillons sexuels said:wouldn't that be norse, not pagan?
I never understood the concept of sin. What's the point? Can someone clarify?TaeOH said:I think we ALL have a sin nature as we are ALL in rebellion of God.
wolfmat said:I never understood the concept of sin. What's the point? Can someone clarify?
TaeOH said:I think we ALL have a sin nature as we are ALL in rebellion of God.
les papillons sexuels said:wouldn't that be norse, not pagan?
wolfmat said:I never understood the concept of sin. What's the point? Can someone clarify?
blame space said:there was this fruit and god said eve couldn't eat it but she ate it anyway and now we're all born with original sin and we go to hell if we aren't baptised..
the holy water washes away your original sin i think idk
why did he put the fruit there in the first place, to be an asshole? fuck that, the snake is right, eat the fucking fruit. hail satan.
Pixel Pete said:That doesn't answer my question. Speak for yourself, not what your scripture tells you.
blame space said:god's threat is a punishment of eternal life in hell
i dunno if he heard, but the United States of America does not negotiate with terrorists.
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Are we just trolling religious peeps at this point?
TaeOH said:I am seriously not looking into the matter of the origin of life. And I am a believer, so if God's word says God created everything in seven days, I am ok with that answer as that is not my calling in life, to prove creation. Although I admit I find young earth creationists arguments fascinating because I appreciate the dedication.
Sutton Dagger said:This is where I (and many other Atheists) differ from you. You are essentially saying you don't care if it's true or not, you have built your worldview on the assumption that it is true and anything to the contrary is discarded. It all comes down to whether you care if your beliefs are 'true' or not (in a general sense), I would prefer to believe in as many true things and as few false things as possible. I can guarantee you that many of the Atheists here have reached the position of 'Atheist' through careful reflection and often painful abandonment of beliefs that don't have a rational/logical/evidence basis.
Well, there's also a carrot. So you could look at it the other way.blame space said:wouldn't you say that's christianity's main incentive? not spending eternal life in perpetual pain?
I'm not trolling. I expressed my genuine opinion so far. For example, I really think the Romans kind of fucked it all up when they had to deal with the upcoming Christian movement. They should've exercised a lot more control in hindsight, just as they did in a lot of other cases. Not that they could have predicted the outcome or would have had an easy time handling social affairs with a persistent Christian underground if they wouldn't have adopted the religion implicitly when they illegalized worship of other Gods, but regardless.Cyan said:Are we just trolling religious peeps at this point?
blame space said:there was this fruit and god said eve couldn't eat it but she ate it anyway and now we're all born with original sin and we go to hell if we aren't baptised..
the holy water washes away your original sin i think idk
why did he put the fruit there in the first place, to be an asshole? fuck that, the snake is right, eat the fucking fruit. hail satan.
Sutton Dagger said:This is where I (and many other Atheists) differ from you. You are essentially saying you don't care if it's true or not, you have built your worldview on the assumption that it is true and anything to the contrary is discarded. It all comes down to whether you care if your beliefs are 'true' or not (in a general sense), I would prefer to believe in as many true things and as few false things as possible. I can guarantee you that many of the Atheists here have reached the position of 'Atheist' through careful reflection and often painful abandonment of beliefs that don't have a rational/logical/evidence basis.
Aristion said:There is a God because of the impossibility of the contrary. For the atheist, the source of reality (i.e. the Universe) is either absolute chance or an absolute determinism. If it is the former (chance), we could never know of what this 'absolute' is, as the concept of randomness is an incoherent concept to a person who thinks in deterministic categories.
The ancient philosopher Anaximander spoke of the 'arche' (source) of all reality an indeterminate being which created the Universe by absolute chance, and yet paradoxically, he said that he had intellectual knowledge of it. But if the source of all logic is unknowable, the logic that is entailed by it is unknowable, and we could never have any knowledge of anything at all. In other words, if we could only define something by what it is not (e.g. indeterminate, impersonal, unknowable etc.) then you cannot know anything about it at all, including it's existence!
The other route the Atheist could take is to assert that the Universe is absolutely logically necessary (the Universe is eternal and was not brought into existence). This is similar to the deterministic position of Parmenides, who famously asserted that freedom or change is impossible. But this must be false, as one can conceive of oneself as existing under different circumstances or existing within a different Universe than the one we currently exist in (otherwise the 'I' that I can conceive of as existing in another universe is not really me at all). There is similarly the properly basic belief that humans have freedom in choice (and thus we have moral obligations due to our ability to choose otherwise).
This is why the only logical position to hold (and the position that is assumed by everyone who reasons), is that the source of all reality is not absolute determinism or absolute indeterminism, but a libertarian (free) agent who freely brings the Universe into existence, and who can be defined as an agent who is spaceless, timeless, immaterial and MUST be personal in order to avoid the irrational implications of the erroneous positions that have been outlined.
blame space said:there was this fruit and god said eve couldn't eat it but she ate it anyway and now we're all born with original sin and we go to hell if we aren't baptised..
the holy water washes away your original sin i think idk
why did he put the fruit there in the first place, to be an asshole? fuck that, the snake is right, eat the fucking fruit. hail satan.
TaeOH said:Ok. I am not attracted to other men and to be honest the whole thought of it kind of grosses me out. But I really don't care what you do in your bedroom. (a general you, since I do now know if you are gay).
There is also a seeming determinism that 'flitters' in the details.Aristion said:Bumping my reasons for knowing God exists.
TaeOH said:Yet there have been many intelligent men over the course of history (and of course today) who have come to a very rational/logical/evidential belief in God. You seem do be disregarding all of that because you cannot seem to wrap your mind around the metaphysical.
I care very much whether what I believe and live my life by is true. What makes absolutely no difference in my day to day life is what happened ten thousand or 16 billion years ago as I don't think we can EVER know for certain since no man existed then.
So if we ever get that answer, it will be God answering it to our face.
I do not disregard science, as I can and will ALWAYS be able to interpret facts in light of a creator. It is the most complete answer to life IMO.
I don't. The idea that there is any truth behind it seems absurd in light of what we know about history and animal (that includes humans of course) psychology.GTP_Daverytimes said:To start off, i believe in God. What about you?
I don't quite understand how this argument shows that God must be the personal god of classical theism. It made some sense until that leap of logic.TaeOH said:My wording reflects my interest in the Kalam Cosmological argument, I think it is a strong logical argument for the existence of God.
"Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
The universe began to exist.
Therefore, the universe has a cause.
This cause is the God of Classical Theism, and is a personal being, because He chose to create the universe."
But ultimately you cannot even approach "why" without a creator. So I would like to know what your cause was as an atheist if you are not a naturalist.
Because you were indoctrinated since birth?Seda said:I believe in God. I have my reasons.
Bradlums said:I'm not sure what I believe. I really hope there is a god and heaven but the older I get and the more I think about it, the more doubtful I become.
What if you sign up for the wrong god?partime said:If you think of it selfishly, from the 1% chance that their could be a God, or heaven, why wouldn't you sign up just in case? Don't burn bridges before crossing them!
Aristion said:Bumping my reasons for knowing God exists.
Glasswork said:What if you sign up for the wrong god?
Pascal's Wager...partime said:If you think of it selfishly, from the 1% chance that their could be a God, or heaven, why wouldn't you sign up just in case? Don't burn bridges before crossing them!