Unknown One
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I like Rush but I agree it's freaking off balanced as fuck.
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Battlefield Bad Company 2 |OT2| See, Spot, Run
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Crakatak187 said:
Sounds good. I will be on late tonight and tomorrow since I'm off of work.
Pkm said:
I'll gladly play Conquest with ya. I either play Conquest or Rush regularly. I ONLY play Rush if there are Gaffer's or other friends online, but I regularly play Conquest when I'm alone since a crappy team can still win in Conquest. In Rush, if your team sucks, you WILL lose lol.
And I totally agree about the map pack idea. Karkand was my favorite urban map in BF2. I would just die if I could play that map in BC2 lol. The others you listed are great too, and I'd love to play them again.
Lonewolf_92
Member
Completely new to the multiplayer side of this series, only played a handful of games in conquest mode on the 360 so far, and I'm already getting tired of the hardcore "snipers" who refuse to situationally change kit for anything and have no clue on how to play the Recon kit in the first place.
I mean, on one map, we were getting base raped because the other team pushed us back to our spawn and had a tank hovering at the entrance with the rest of their team swarming the hill just a few clicks behind. How many Engineers did we have shooting RPGs at the thing in an effort to get rid of it in a full team? Me, after getting killed twice while using my default Recon (which I use for spotting, sensor balls, and other Recon-like tasks until I get more familiar with the layouts of the maps). The rest of the team was busy getting cut to shreds as recons on the sides of the hills on either side of the tank by the tank machine gunner and rest of the opposing team, not a one of them deploying their sensor ball so to spot the enemies on the hill or attempting to plant C4 on the tank. Idiots.
I've rarely had to change kits, but I've successfully made use of the Medics Defibrillators (amusingly enough, to revive the Medic himself, after wasting the Assault who killed him with my sidearm
) and I've used the Engineer kit a couple of times before (love using the rockets to spot and if need be counter-snipe, and I blew a helicopter out of the air with a couple of RPGs in my third game ever). Really gets to me that people don't seem to know how to use the kit loadouts better.
Oh, if 360-GAF is willing to take on a rank 1 BC2 noob, my GT: VladSteelwolf
I mean, on one map, we were getting base raped because the other team pushed us back to our spawn and had a tank hovering at the entrance with the rest of their team swarming the hill just a few clicks behind. How many Engineers did we have shooting RPGs at the thing in an effort to get rid of it in a full team? Me, after getting killed twice while using my default Recon (which I use for spotting, sensor balls, and other Recon-like tasks until I get more familiar with the layouts of the maps). The rest of the team was busy getting cut to shreds as recons on the sides of the hills on either side of the tank by the tank machine gunner and rest of the opposing team, not a one of them deploying their sensor ball so to spot the enemies on the hill or attempting to plant C4 on the tank. Idiots.
I've rarely had to change kits, but I've successfully made use of the Medics Defibrillators (amusingly enough, to revive the Medic himself, after wasting the Assault who killed him with my sidearm
) and I've used the Engineer kit a couple of times before (love using the rockets to spot and if need be counter-snipe, and I blew a helicopter out of the air with a couple of RPGs in my third game ever). Really gets to me that people don't seem to know how to use the kit loadouts better.Oh, if 360-GAF is willing to take on a rank 1 BC2 noob, my GT: VladSteelwolf
Lonewolf_92 said:Completely new to the multiplayer side of this series, only played a handful of games in conquest mode on the 360 so far, and I'm already getting tired of the hardcore "snipers" who refuse to situationally change kit for anything and have no clue on how to play the Recon kit in the first place.
I mean, on one map, we were getting base raped because the other team pushed us back to our spawn and had a tank hovering at the entrance with the rest of their team swarming the hill just a few clicks behind. How many Engineers did we have shooting RPGs at the thing in an effort to get rid of it in a full team? Me, after getting killed twice while using my default Recon (which I use for spotting, sensor balls, and other Recon-like tasks until I get more familiar with the layouts of the maps). The rest of the team was busy getting cut to shreds as recons on the sides of the hills on either side of the tank by the tank machine gunner and rest of the opposing team, not a one of them deploying their sensor ball so to spot the enemies on the hill or attempting to plant C4 on the tank. Idiots.
I've rarely had to change kits, but I've successfully made use of the Medics Defibrillators (amusingly enough, to revive the Medic himself, after wasting the Assault who killed him with my sidearm
Oh, if 360-GAF is willing to take on a rank 1 BC2 noob, my GT: VladSteelwolf
Recon can do a good job taking out tanks with mortars. But, like you say a lot of the times that class attracts some less tactically astute folks for whatever reason.
Kibbles
Member
Free or... what?Loxley said:
Lonewolf_92
Member
Shnookums said:
These guys were too close for mortars, unless they wanted to call them down on their own heads (if I had them unlocked I would've). They could've planted C4 on the thing if they had wanted, they were so close. No, they were trying to have a snipe battle with the guys on the hill, never mind the tank ripping everyone to shreds. :lol
user8503492
Banned
Shnookums said:
Simple reason,
Sniper = Cool
Plain and simple, every game suffers from worthless snipers cause a large majority of people see them as the cool class. Sadly people don't relize its kinda worthless.
Maybe if death was perma, sure, but in the grand scheme of things Recon+sniper rifle is more of an annoyance then a game changer. Gimme a Recon guy laying down motion mine packing an AR/Shotty then a guy picking off randoms hoping a noob tank driver gets caught in a mortar strike.
Wanna fix sniper imbalance, and general class imbalance.
Recon and Medic = 25% health reduction (BF2 light armor type fix)
You want motion mines, long range capabilities, high dmg, MCOM killing C4....you suffer by being highly fragile.
Medical too, your support..yet you have 100 round murder machines and self heals...well now your squishy
In my perfect FPS world, Medics would pack SMG's, Assualt LMG's, Engineers AR's, Sniper reduced health with stronger Rifles.
Medics would be actual medics, Engys would be played more, and Recons noobers would give it up early when handguns put them down in a blink. And to top it off Assualt would have the gun that didn't need ammo as much, as it stands medics laugh at you when you toss them a box.
TheAzRim said:
I dont think that would work. Would make some mcom sets easier and some harder.
The only solution is better map design. The maps in BC2 feature fewer routes and more choke points then BC1. That the reason its so hard to attack sometimes. Just look at the at points on valdez, isla innocentes and valpariso. The second mcom on Valdez is just ridiculous. Thank god they are in destructible buildings.
user8503492
Banned
Spl1nter said:
I agree, along I guess changes to weapons stats would be in order.
It's a fine line to balance kits with weapons, DICE never got this right with BF2 so bad every server was Medics with god find and insta heals or support guys laying on resupply bags and throwing a nonstop barrage of nades.
Nothing was worse tho then watching a group of BF2 medics litter there feet with health packs so every shot you hit them with would be voided. All this while having the same weapon as the assualt class or the god gun G36E...
The Faceless Master
Member
Panama Canal
Jihad Quad + T-90 + Bachka + 2 vehicle destroys + 6 kills = 600? points
Jihad Quad + T-90 + Bachka + 2 vehicle destroys + 6 kills = 600? points
I've just started really getting into this after buying this all the way in march :lol
The problem was school got in the way, but now I've had a ton of free time only having to do my internship. I've beaten a ton of games I've had (I never finish games): GTA IV (first gta game i've pushed myself to finish, modnation racers, ffxii, infamous (I hadn't played in 7 months and I had only two missions left, LOL).
Now I'm finally back on FPS's and I feel guilty for not playing Killzone 2 enough online (too many disconnects so my stats won't update, but it's still a great game!).
I was originally going to ask if there anything that has significantly changed since the beta of BC2, but I see the first page has taken care of that. Spotting doesn't work like it use to (obviously).
I've been working on the assault class for now. Is there any very important skills or tips to know about assault, medic, or engineers that wasn't listed on the official topic post? Thanks.
The problem was school got in the way, but now I've had a ton of free time only having to do my internship. I've beaten a ton of games I've had (I never finish games): GTA IV (first gta game i've pushed myself to finish, modnation racers, ffxii, infamous (I hadn't played in 7 months and I had only two missions left, LOL).
Now I'm finally back on FPS's and I feel guilty for not playing Killzone 2 enough online (too many disconnects so my stats won't update, but it's still a great game!).
I was originally going to ask if there anything that has significantly changed since the beta of BC2, but I see the first page has taken care of that. Spotting doesn't work like it use to (obviously).
I've been working on the assault class for now. Is there any very important skills or tips to know about assault, medic, or engineers that wasn't listed on the official topic post? Thanks.
reKon said:
Assault/Medic: If in doubt, throw it out. You get free points within minutes even if no one needed the ammo/health a minute before.
Medic: Revive ANYONE if possible and safety and quickly esp. on attackers in rush where you refund a ticket. It may destroy a KDR of a person, but fuck it. You need the tickets to keep the game going.
Engineer: Tanks/Helicopters. Tracer and big boom. Repair tanks that are hit by rockets that are yours.
Pretty much common sense stuff.
Pkm said:
The problem is all of those maps are built on the old Frostbite engine. Even the BC1 maps are on an outdated version of Frostbite. While they can use the same map layouts (albeit I'm sure there will be balance issues since the indestructable buildings of previous games set specific routes of attack), reconstructing those assets with upgraded textures, models, AND making sure they far FB2.0 compliant means a ton of work for the devs with little reward (especially since people already give IW a ton of shit for giving us MW1 maps in the MW2 map packs). Making assets in current gen games requires too much work (which equals money) to be free anymore.
Even if it's pay, I'll buy it. But if they do charge for it, I don't see it being very successful on PC. The delay on the DLC, the delay on the most recent patch, and absolutely no free maps in the future equal a very disillusioned userbase. It's rough for me to even get 1/20th of the guys I used to play with to even load up the game.Kibbles said:
The Faceless Master
Member
well, friendly bullets did half damage in BC1 and they even patched the knife to be 2 swings on friendlies to kill, so it wasn't quite so easy to trick someone... this also helped with people who blew up their own team's crates, since you could stand on the crate and they'd kill you and eventually had to stop or get kicked.Wthermans said:Seems extremely open to griefing. Would be so easy to simply stand in front of friendly fire to get someone you hated autokicked. I know I did it to douchebags a few times in BF2.
endlessflood
Member
So the All Weapons Bronze Stars insignia and All Bronze Stars insignia refuse to unlock for me. Could some of the pre-eminent BFBC2 minds here please cast their eyes over my stats screens and see if they can spot what's amiss?
My insignias
My weapons stats
My secondary weapons stats
My vehicle stats (just in case)
My insignias
My weapons stats
My secondary weapons stats
My vehicle stats (just in case)
Mr Sandman
Banned
ENEMY AC130 ABOVE!
I love Atacama Rush when you've got good teamwork taking out the AA, dropping off paratroopers, etc. :lol
I love Atacama Rush when you've got good teamwork taking out the AA, dropping off paratroopers, etc. :lol
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Damn, Faceless owned me yesterday, I see him going for the TOW in Port Valdez and I was thinking:"Yeah, while he shoots the tank I'll get his dogtag! HHAHAHA *evil laugh*" and when I was going confident of my sucesss I see the tow aiming for me instead of the tank I was like "oh shit".
Bastard! :lol
Bastard! :lol
The Faceless Master
Member
ever since i got gold tags, the wolves on the battlefield have smelled the blood in the water. people running from 30 yards, knife already swinging.Relaxed Muscle said:
Doesn't look DICE is confirming the PC release.Loxley said:
http://twitter.com/zh1nt0/status/18503035016
Pkm said:Simple reason,
Sniper = Cool
Plain and simple, every game suffers from worthless snipers cause a large majority of people see them as the cool class. Sadly people don't relize its kinda worthless.
Maybe if death was perma, sure, but in the grand scheme of things Recon+sniper rifle is more of an annoyance then a game changer. Gimme a Recon guy laying down motion mine packing an AR/Shotty then a guy picking off randoms hoping a noob tank driver gets caught in a mortar strike.
Wanna fix sniper imbalance, and general class imbalance.
Recon and Medic = 25% health reduction (BF2 light armor type fix)
You want motion mines, long range capabilities, high dmg, MCOM killing C4....you suffer by being highly fragile.
Medical too, your support..yet you have 100 round murder machines and self heals...well now your squishy
In my perfect FPS world, Medics would pack SMG's, Assualt LMG's, Engineers AR's, Sniper reduced health with stronger Rifles.
Medics would be actual medics, Engys would be played more, and Recons noobers would give it up early when handguns put them down in a blink. And to top it off Assualt would have the gun that didn't need ammo as much, as it stands medics laugh at you when you toss them a box.
Given the accuracy and DPS of ARs in this game, Assault can do everything you listed better than Recon (aside from Motion Mines---but Assault can renew as much C4 as they want). Until Snipers get the old max range dmg values, the "long range" aspect of the class if null due to the accuracy and DPS of all the other weapons.
The Faceless Master
Member
you can't use C4 and the AR's at the same time though, and the G3 and M14 are basically clones of the VSS and T88 without scopes. i dunno why i'm even making this argument when i play C4 Assault so much more than C4 Recon...:lol :lol :lolWthermans said:
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Wthermans said:
If you're gonna blow yourself at the end, VSS has enough ammo for that. :lol
Cornbread78
Member
Crakatak187 said:
I still play is alot though. I check my stats and it's pretty ridiculas
3.6 W/L ratio as attacker
0.60 W/L as a defender
Needs more balance... Big time. DICE, please give us a crate repair option for the engies.
Anton Sugar
Member
Cornbread78 said:
I'm the complete opposite.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
This includes every loss on conquest (and I assume DM, SDM etc) as a defender loss and every win on conquest as an attacker win unless you know somewhere that gives the actual stat breakdown for each mode. I wish we have the official breakdown because I am pretty sure that defenders have a clear advantage, hence DICE significantly upping the points for capturing and destroying MCOM's.Cornbread78 said:
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
wouldn't it be easier to balance Rush by just disabling certain types of damage to the crates like c4 and mines? Or hell just make it so you can' t hurt them period must only detonate?(that might be going to far)
but ya my stats for Rush are a clone
attackers X6.6
defenders .5
Shrug.. I still prefer Conquest. Just wish the maps had more 4 flag bigger maps like panama
but ya my stats for Rush are a clone
attackers X6.6
defenders .5
Shrug.. I still prefer Conquest. Just wish the maps had more 4 flag bigger maps like panama
BrLvgThrChmstry
Banned
Pkm said:Simple reason,
Sniper = Cool
Plain and simple, every game suffers from worthless snipers cause a large majority of people see them as the cool class. Sadly people don't relize its kinda worthless.
Maybe if death was perma, sure, but in the grand scheme of things Recon+sniper rifle is more of an annoyance then a game changer. Gimme a Recon guy laying down motion mine packing an AR/Shotty then a guy picking off randoms hoping a noob tank driver gets caught in a mortar strike.
Wanna fix sniper imbalance, and general class imbalance.
Recon and Medic = 25% health reduction (BF2 light armor type fix)
You want motion mines, long range capabilities, high dmg, MCOM killing C4....you suffer by being highly fragile.
Medical too, your support..yet you have 100 round murder machines and self heals...well now your squishy
In my perfect FPS world, Medics would pack SMG's, Assualt LMG's, Engineers AR's, Sniper reduced health with stronger Rifles.
Medics would be actual medics, Engys would be played more, and Recons noobers would give it up early when handguns put them down in a blink. And to top it off Assualt would have the gun that didn't need ammo as much, as it stands medics laugh at you when you toss them a box.
No, just no. I find solace in the fact you do not design games. Or work for dice. I not saying BC2 in it's current state is perfect but...your solution sucks. Altering health stats? No. No. And people don't opt for snipers because they are cool, it's because they are.."safe", (potentially) killing people from a distance without being seen or receiving fire. LMGs need a slight debuff? In weapon accuracy if anything in relation to stance (greater accuracy while crouching; less while moving and standing, maybe?)
I figure if a recon is carrying a sniper rifle (G3, M14, etc.) they are on the frontlines, contributing. With a sniper rifle as a primary, they are already at a disadvantage, unless they are able to hold their own with a pistol and handle Close encounters with multiple foes.
My gripe is the simple fact that MOST people just simply play their role. Why would you want to punish those who do? Changes need to be made for sure, your list sucks. Yeah I said it.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
If you play conquest then every defeat is counted as a defender loss and every win is an attacker win, so the stats are completely screwed. I play 95% rush, only playing conquest when I end up on a mixed mode server, and I have a W/L ratio of 2.x for defending.bloodydrake said:
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I don't really have a problem with people playing sniper, its actually an important role, I think the sheer number of people who choose to play as sniper is the main issue, along with their tendency to stay in positions that allow them to get 'safe' kills but which don't aid the capturing of objectives beyond removing a non-essential defender for 5 to 10 seconds. The fact that they are up on a hill, miles away tends to draw attention to their ineffectiveness though, there are plenty of people in other classes being ineffective but its just not as obvious.Assembly Required said:
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
bloodydrake said:
They did that in BC1, with AT mines and C4 on vehicles but left it out for BC2. I would be happy being able to repair the crate.
I don't have much of an issue with C4 because you can hoot the C4 dude and the charges are useless. The tank mines are my main gripe because the is NOTHING that can be done defend your crate once they are down.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
poppabk said:
Ah didn't realize that ..that makes more sense
tho i still think defending in Rush right now is way to hard due to how everything can damage the crates.
BrLvgThrChmstry
Banned
bloodydrake said:
I actually like the fact there are multiple ways of destroying crates. For me, it's the placement of the crates.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Defending a given set of crates can be hard, some will fall eventually no matter what the defending team does, if the attackers go all out to destroy them. But to win rush as an attacker you have to get through every set of crates. As defender you just have to hold them one time.bloodydrake said:
BrLvgThrChmstry
Banned
poppabk said:
exactly, I honestly don't have any issues with recon/snipers. It's like just more obvious, as you stated. They aren't the only class used ineffectively.
Anton Sugar
Member
So wait, why did the BC2 thread get split up but the MW2 one is still going strong?
BattleMonkey
Member
Mr. Snrub said:
Don't understand, they have been cutting down various threads that were too big, but some remain. Perhaps they selectively just randomly chose some or perhaps some kind of corruption of the data on some
The Faceless Master
Member
it looks like only Evilore is doing the splitting, so he probably has to see the thread on the front page.Mr. Snrub said:
Cuban Legend
Member
FINALLY!
I more or less randomly placed c4 in the first house on Nelson Bay, simply hoping to kill a few defenders around it. The last c4 was outside, running after a medic to use it like a grenade. Booom. Kill, kill, kill, objective damage, kill, damage, damage, etc, multikill, m-com destroyed, *ding* trophy: 20 destruction 2.0 kills. Total points after everything was added up: 730. I got maybe 300, looks like I wiped out a squad of my own guys as well, uuuups. Anyway, this felt so good after frustrating 90 minutes trying to get the 11 c4 kills I needed for the insignia. For that I had to kill yet another guy, but now I can stop c4ing m-coms, I swear!
One thing is bugging me though, I killed more than a dozen guys with the CG, almost two dozens and on the stat page it showed just TWO more than yesterday. Same with the revolver, it´s missing maybe ten kills (especially frustrating, because that´d have given me a gold star). AT mines might be affected as well. I got the gold star for the Scar-L and XMC yesterday and had to do them again today (thankfully it was like ten kills each).
WTF is going on?
PS: the destruction 2.0 means I only have to knife four friendsto get the first platinum on this account. Anybody willing to let me stab him? I don´t like to stat boost, but nobody on my friends list is still playing, at least at times I´m on.
I have time for this tomorrow afternoon (Yurop time) or right now and I´d be willing to get stabbed as well. Or stand in collapsing buildings or whatever. PM me if interested.
I more or less randomly placed c4 in the first house on Nelson Bay, simply hoping to kill a few defenders around it. The last c4 was outside, running after a medic to use it like a grenade. Booom. Kill, kill, kill, objective damage, kill, damage, damage, etc, multikill, m-com destroyed, *ding* trophy: 20 destruction 2.0 kills. Total points after everything was added up: 730. I got maybe 300, looks like I wiped out a squad of my own guys as well, uuuups. Anyway, this felt so good after frustrating 90 minutes trying to get the 11 c4 kills I needed for the insignia. For that I had to kill yet another guy, but now I can stop c4ing m-coms, I swear!
One thing is bugging me though, I killed more than a dozen guys with the CG, almost two dozens and on the stat page it showed just TWO more than yesterday. Same with the revolver, it´s missing maybe ten kills (especially frustrating, because that´d have given me a gold star). AT mines might be affected as well. I got the gold star for the Scar-L and XMC yesterday and had to do them again today (thankfully it was like ten kills each).
WTF is going on?
PS: the destruction 2.0 means I only have to knife four friendsto get the first platinum on this account. Anybody willing to let me stab him? I don´t like to stat boost, but nobody on my friends list is still playing, at least at times I´m on.
I have time for this tomorrow afternoon (Yurop time) or right now and I´d be willing to get stabbed as well. Or stand in collapsing buildings or whatever. PM me if interested.