So what category does TOR, a bad game that's pay to play, fall into?
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So what category does TOR, a bad game that's pay to play, fall into?
Disheveled_Zen
Member
It's typical end game, raid, dungeons or PvP. There's some space combat and getting affection up with your companions but the bulk is your standard fare.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
They brought this on themselves by releasing an unfinished game that couldn't compete with the feature set of a game from 2004.
It would be like Motorola releasing the original Razr in 2012 and asking people to give it a few years to bring it up to par with the Galaxy S II because Samsung has had time to add crazy things like a touch screen.
It's not a perfect example but I think it gets the message across: You have to release a product that is better than your competitor's product. You can make all the excuses you like for lack of <x> or <y>, but at the end of the day you can't beat the leader by doing less than they do.
It would be like Motorola releasing the original Razr in 2012 and asking people to give it a few years to bring it up to par with the Galaxy S II because Samsung has had time to add crazy things like a touch screen.
It's not a perfect example but I think it gets the message across: You have to release a product that is better than your competitor's product. You can make all the excuses you like for lack of <x> or <y>, but at the end of the day you can't beat the leader by doing less than they do.
Hari Seldon
Member
Just another in a long line of underwhelming WoW-clones.
BattleMonkey
Member
Well it doesn't help that anything Star Wars causes a stir, and anything Bioware now leads to rage. Combine the two..... magic
I'm still enjoying it. Subbed since English launch (and only lvl 42 on one character).
Probably would have prefered a KotOR single player trilogy though.
half a moon
Banned
You think it was a good deal for people to resub and get it? Free diablo 3 is only worth 4 months of game time. You proved my point. They and everyone who got it wanted beta access and are the people guaranteed to return each expansion. They also take breaks. Some did it already and others would have sometime after October 2011 if they weren't under commitment.
riceandbeans
Member
It's not about what fans want, it's about what EA wants. They'll do damage control on ME and DA, but at the end of the day, EA is still their puppet master.
I've got zero interest in Bioware while EA is cracking the whip. I don't feel like playing RPG's that are directly tied to forced on facebook games, smartphone games, or tacked on multiplayer and prevent you from getting everything out of the game (in ME's case, the endings) if you don't partake.
Did that really have an effect on anything?
Certainly had an extremely negative word-of-mouth early on on the internet. Probably had a minor effect.
It's not just EA thought it's Lucasarts as well calling the shots, Bioware didn't have a choice to make it a singleplayer game if they wanted to, Lucasarts wanted it an MMO so that's why it is. Also for ME you didn't have to play multiplayer to get the best ending.
BattleMonkey
Member
EA has no say in making KOTOR3. Lucasarts is the one who controls that
Having to make hours of cutscenes and each class having hours of exclusive dialogue cutscenes also all takes resources. From the problems with the game, it's obviously all their focus was on the single player like focus. As been said before the games biggest negative is that it feels like they slapped on MMO like features onto a single player game. Most of the stuff being added is obviously them trying to catch up and adding MMO elements that shoulda been at launch.
riceandbeans
Member
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's true. Your Galactic Readiness, whatever it's called, affects the outcome and certain events of the ending. If you don't partake in any of the mulitplayer (facebook, iOS game, or multiplayer), your GR is cut in half and you get shittier results.
To get the best possible outcomes you need to have over 5000+ GR and, from what I've read on GAF and other forums, is that it's impossible to do this by only playing single-player. Sure some of the events may be small, but I felt like I was cheated of getting the best outcome, having spent 80+ hours in ME1 and ME2, because I had no interest in playing any social games in a single-player focused RPG.
To get the "hidden" option, you did have to play the MP or any of the iOS apps.
I think you misunderstood what he was asking. We were talking about the negative word-of-mouth found on the internet around the game. Such as the TOR-tanic meme.
ThatObviousUser
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Fixed.
You can take the quote:
People are looking for anything and everything to demonstrate how BW are failing to produce a great game, or as it would appear in most of these threads, the greatest revolution the MMO genre has ever seen.
They are bringing in a fair amount of content each month.
See you in a few weeks Vaelic, for the next TOR subs thread, unless of course they aren't in the decline.
And joyously interpret it as "desperation!" - or you can interpret it as a company simply trying to do it's fucking job. Should they not need to be doing anything and everything to keep subs? It kinda goes without saying, no? Unless of course you are Bioware, and are making a Star Wars MMO.
People are looking for anything and everything to demonstrate how BW are failing to produce a great game, or as it would appear in most of these threads, the greatest revolution the MMO genre has ever seen.
They are bringing in a fair amount of content each month.
Patch 1.2 Highlights said:
See you in a few weeks Vaelic, for the next TOR subs thread, unless of course they aren't in the decline.
What happened to Reven?
I never did and I got the hidden option.
You needed 5000 if someone was killed and 4000 if he wasn't.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Tell us how you really feel.
half a moon
Banned
They gave out a free month to a lot of their user base that was still subbed. This is usually only done when you recruit an unsubbed player back because they know you are sticking around. If that doesn't say desperation...
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Eternal soul reincarnated into different bodies throughout the ages blah blah blah. You meet the new one in a dungeon I think.
I never actually played far enough to see it for myself, so what I wrote there is sort of hearsay, but gets the gist across.
At this point I am glad they didn't. I probably would've bought and hated those games as well. At least an MMO I can easily ignore.
This.
http://www.femlob.com/temp/me3-values.txt
For the TL;DR crew: the maximum available Total Effective Military strength
rests around 7,520 - give or a take a few points. Chop that in half, and you
end up with an Effective Military Strength of 3,760.
rests around 7,520 - give or a take a few points. Chop that in half, and you
end up with an Effective Military Strength of 3,760.
you can't get over 4000 if you don't play the MP.
BattleMonkey
Member
That is not at all what happened
It's a sub based game, so keeping people playing and trying to draw in subs is important. Desperate sounding? Perhaps, but they have to do whatever they can to make bank.
ProfessorMoran
Member
I probably wouldn't feel sad for Bioware either, they've been living on their KOTOR pedigree and bragging about how epic their games are going to be for far too long, time for them to come back to earth.
No that's not even the gist, it's not right at all.
To sum it up
They made him a whiny bitch, put him as the boss of a lowbie dungeon, and let you slaughter him like... a whiny bitch. I'd tell you specifically about the plot but he acts as if KOTOR 1 and 2 didn't happen and he's only around for that one fight so it's not like he really has a plot at all. They made him an emo scrub killed by lowbies. EAWare.
That about sums it up.
On subsequent visits even if you spam the spacebar and imagine he actually says something different, the outcome remains the same. EAWare shitting on fans who enjoyed KOTOR.
Disheveled_Zen
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He went to the edges of the galaxy, found the emperor, fought the emperor, lost, got imprisoned for hundreds of years by said emperor who prolonged his life in order to extract strength from Revan seeing he was both dark side and light side at various times. In the mean time Revan was able to influence the Emperor which is why Coruscant was not fully destroyed during its sacking.
You don't actually kill him.
none of that would make me resub.
and to the point of VO. Once you've heard it once, you skip right by it
and how exactly do you get 4000 without playing the MP or owning apple products?
BattleMonkey
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How you got past Junior status still amazes me.
ThatObviousUser
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Didn't you make the |OT|? :O
The game has the same mechanics we've seen for the past 8 years in MMOs, with the addition of voice. I need new gameplay mechanics, quest system (masking the same kill and fetch quests we've seen for years with voice does not count), ideas I haven't thought of, etc., not rehashed mechanics that have been done to death.
They turned him into a genocidal maniac. Literally.
They'd make a killing off TOR themed keyboards with a turbo function on the spacebar.
The voice over thing, the big selling point, was such a goddam waste of resources and money. There's only 4 Sith stories and 4 Jedi stories and then the vast majority of non story quests are shared by all. So once you hear something once you just skip through it because it's a waste of time. And really aside from the story missions even on my first playthrough I spaced through most stuff because after the incessant droning you just want to get to kill shit and leveling.
An option to just show the quest info with a simple accept or reject would have been nice. But nope.
Quality post. You are invaluable.
Would anything?
Do you just skip to the end once you've watched a movie or book?
I don't know I just did everything I could and I got it, I don't know what to tell you guys.
All of which was 100% justified. Game simply isn't that fun.
I highly encourage you to check out guild wars 2 then.
Does your uncle work at Nintendo, too?