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Bit.Trip Saga (3DS) and Complete (Wii) |OT| of T minus 1-Day and Zero Hype
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Naked Snake
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Not crazy IMO. You know what you like, and if any given system has the game(s) you like/want, then it is what it is.mantidor said:
I picked this up at Gamestop on my lunch break.
Portable Bit.Trip is freaking awesome, but the performance in 3D mode is AWFUL, and frankly, this engine can't be very taxing on the hardware, and there is NO EXCUSE for lazy programming.
Most of the games are completely unplayable in 3D
Also the paddle games are completely unplayable with the slide pad, it is not calibrated correctly and there is no options menu to fix it.
I am extremely disappointed with Gaijin and Aksys. EXTREMELY.
Portable Bit.Trip is freaking awesome, but the performance in 3D mode is AWFUL, and frankly, this engine can't be very taxing on the hardware, and there is NO EXCUSE for lazy programming.
Most of the games are completely unplayable in 3D
Also the paddle games are completely unplayable with the slide pad, it is not calibrated correctly and there is no options menu to fix it.
I am extremely disappointed with Gaijin and Aksys. EXTREMELY.
walking fiend
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why, I so wanted to get this and play it in 3D, would have been so trippyGlix said:
(Fantastical
Death Prophet
Jesus... Wii version it is.Glix said:
walking fiend said:why, I so wanted to get this and play it in 3D, would have been so trippy
You can. Its just not smooth, at all. There is no slowdown, but there is judder, or maybe it is called something else. I found Core to be impossible with 3D on.
Also, in runner, at the top of the screen, where it says HYPER, or whatever mode you are in, it almost seems like the 3D is WRONG. Like they programmed it wrong or something, its out of 3D focus and extremely difficult to look at. (I play all my 3DS games except Pilotwings with the 3D all the way up, and I never have any issues with anything else)
I'm super disappointed. Again, I can't imagine that the 3DS cannot handle these games in 3D.
40 bucks was a lot for this, but I love supporting Gaijin, but not anymore.
This is the kind of shit I expect from the big pubs, not from little pubs and devs trying to make a name for themselves.
To address the post above... I absolutely DO blame them. This is their baby, and if you want to farm it out to whoever will port it for the least money, then you reap what you sow.
Fernando Rocker
Banned
Glix said:
Can't you use the gyroscope on the 3DS to control the paddle?
nincompoop
Banned
Well that just sucks, Nintendo should release a new co-processor attachment for 3DS so that more games can run at decent framerates in 3D.
Glix said:
Hmm, now I want to see other reviews--Destructoid said the 3D wasn't great in Runner and maybe one other, but they didn't mention performance issues.
I swear they said that there were multiple control schemes for the ones that now have slide pad support too? Touch screen controls?
Waiting for other impressions...
walking fiend
Member
Nintendo should release a new pan so developers can hit them on their heads with it.
Fare Godmace
Member
I tried both versions a couple of months ago and yes, 3D felt sluggish. I only could try RUNNER and BEAT, but both felt somehow slower with 3D turned on... It's not "unplayable" by any means, but it isn't ideal either.
On the other hand, I'll be buying COMPLETE day one without a doubt. Soundtrack CD? Check. Awesome challenges? Check. Leaderboards? Check. Some extra stuff I don't even care about? Check. Of course I'll miss portability, but I just can't say no to those challenges... And I'll probably buy the games in Steam when they're on sale, too :lol
Man, BIT.TRIP is my drug. I had never before considered double-dipping, but I wold even buy the 3DS version once it's cheap enough.
EDIT: I have to agree with Glix Re:Circle Pad. It was really horrible in BEAT, but on the other hand the touch controls are perfect.
On the other hand, I'll be buying COMPLETE day one without a doubt. Soundtrack CD? Check. Awesome challenges? Check. Leaderboards? Check. Some extra stuff I don't even care about? Check. Of course I'll miss portability, but I just can't say no to those challenges... And I'll probably buy the games in Steam when they're on sale, too :lol
Man, BIT.TRIP is my drug. I had never before considered double-dipping, but I wold even buy the 3DS version once it's cheap enough.
EDIT: I have to agree with Glix Re:Circle Pad. It was really horrible in BEAT, but on the other hand the touch controls are perfect.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I never ever go to Best Buy (unless it's around Toronto... though I've noticed a certain store in the GTA is pretty decent about stocking niche games sometimes) for niche games. Ever. They don't usually stock them.IndieJones said:
My local EB is pretty decent because the manager knows about a lot niche titles and tells me whether or not they're in the database. Bit.Trip Saga/Complete was not in the db when I went to preorder them a few weeks ago (Tales of the Abyss 3DS wasn't in the db until a few weeks ago as well), which was surprising since it was going to release in a few weeks. So that's why I went with Amazon instead. Amazon.ca sucks, but at least I'll get my game (even though it'll take a while to get here.)
I love Aksys a lot, but sometimes it's difficult to get ahold of their games here. I had to import 999 from the States, as a recent example (luckily I don't have issues with Fate/Extra since it's on Amazon.ca, but I'm a bit concerned about Hakuouki). So easy to get BlazBlue here, but harder to get some of the niche stuff.
Naked Snake
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Shit. Very disappointing impressions from Glix... considering canceling my Amazon preorder.
But I don't want the Wii version. If it's not portable, then I know there's no chance I'll play it
Does it at least run perfect with 3D off?
I don't understand why they didn't implement tilt controls. The 3D effect doesn't break when you tilt the system vertically, it only break when you tilt left and right. Besides, if the 3D cause an issue it can disabled.
But I don't want the Wii version. If it's not portable, then I know there's no chance I'll play it
Does it at least run perfect with 3D off?
I don't understand why they didn't implement tilt controls. The 3D effect doesn't break when you tilt the system vertically, it only break when you tilt left and right. Besides, if the 3D cause an issue it can disabled.
Naked Snake said:Shit. Very disappointing impressions from Glix... considering canceling my Amazon preorder.
But I don't want the Wii version. If it's not portable, then I know there's no chance I'll play it
I would like to remind that in 2D the games are awesome and everything you would expect.
They just suck in 3D, and if you're like me, and you don't like using the stylus for paddle games, then the circle pad is a nightmare. Those are the two big issues.
Why don't you use Videogamesplus? They are the best online retailer for Europeans to import niche titles from North America/Canada. I've never had a problem with them and they pretty much always have even the most niche Aksys/XSeed/Atlus games, often years after release. They had 999, they'll have Bit.Trip Saga (though, they show September 20th as the release date)Dark Schala said:
Why not? It won't break it and the touch screen works well with fingers too, at least for me.Glix said:
Well, at least for Bit.Trip Beat, you move the pad up & down, that's hardly as complex as what you need to do in Phantom Hourglass...
But sure, I will try it and I'll report back to you...
...as soon as the game is released in Europe
Yes! I've been waiting for this to hit since I first heard of it. I love love LOVE the Bit.Trip series; for me, easily the best DD game series this generation.
While the extra content in COMPLETE sounds neat, the ability to play super-trippy-headphone-3D FLUX on the go is irresistible.
By the way when are they hitting Europe?
While the extra content in COMPLETE sounds neat, the ability to play super-trippy-headphone-3D FLUX on the go is irresistible.
By the way when are they hitting Europe?
Naked Snake
Member
Glix said:
Yeah I guess at least they run perfect in 2D... it's strange that Destructoid didn't mention slowdown or judder issues with the 3D, their writeup is a little confusing though:
My initial response to these 2 versions was that I'd grab the 3DS one and if I really liked it (I've hardly played the Bit Trip series thus far) that I'd double dip on the Wii one later...
...but now it seems better to do the exact opposite.
If either one of these existed and not the other I probably would have bought it already. Sad to say it but it's true.
...but now it seems better to do the exact opposite.
If either one of these existed and not the other I probably would have bought it already. Sad to say it but it's true.
WordAssassin
Member
Wanted to get this for the 3DS but after reading that the port is terribad, gonna go with the Wii version. WAY more content for the money, AND the soundtrack CD too? Definitive version confirmed.
Ok, wow, I have a few issues with this. First and foremost, you shouldn't be writing up 3DS games, if you can't understand the fact that turning on 3D is always going to make the FOV wider, just by its very nature. That is why runner moves forward a little when you turn it on. This was discussed on GAF way before the 3DS even launched.
Secondly, he is right about small objects blurring in Runner, but that is NOT the problem. I figured out the issue with the word HYPER on the top of the screen. It's WAAAAAAAYYYYY too close to you on the 3D plane. I can focus on it, but then EVERYTHING else on the screen is out of focus. Its like whomever ported this didn't have a 3D screen and was just coding it on a PC or something. No one would purposely make it the way it is. That leads me to believe that any issues with blurring objects just has to do with them not being at the correct depth to focus on properly.
Naked Snake
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Glix, if stylus gives your hand cramps and the circle pad control sucks, you might want to try and get a DS thumb strap. I think it would work well. It came with the original DS phat (I still have mine), and has a rounded plastic tip than you put around your thumb and slide it on the touchscreen like a stylus.
You can probably order one from Nintendo's online store, or even ebay.
You can probably order one from Nintendo's online store, or even ebay.
Naked Snake said:Glix, if stylus gives your hand cramps and the circle pad control sucks, you might want to try and get a DS thumb strap. I think it would work well. It came with the original DS phat (I still have mine), and has a rounded plastic tip than you put around your thumb and slide it on the touchscreen like a stylus.
You can probably order one from Nintendo's online store, or even ebay.
Heh, I remember trying to use that for Mario64 and Ridge Racer DS.... (cries)
But yes, it would be good for this!
Hmm, this really sucks to be honest, I was really looking forward to playing these games in 3D.
Is it possible to put the 3D slider at like 10% for less distracting 3D issues?
I was also planning on waiting til the 3DS version hit at least $30, but it sounds like this is a very limited run and we may never see that.
Is it possible to put the 3D slider at like 10% for less distracting 3D issues?
I was also planning on waiting til the 3DS version hit at least $30, but it sounds like this is a very limited run and we may never see that.
Naked Snake
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NintendoLife review of COMPLETE: http://wii.nintendolife.com/reviews/2011/09/bittrip_complete_wii
It's such a shame that the 3DS port didn't get the same amount of care as the Wii one.
NintendoLife said:
It's such a shame that the 3DS port didn't get the same amount of care as the Wii one.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Wow, I'm hyped for this. Why am I hyped for six games I've already played.
Probably because taken together they're easily one of the best gaming experiences of the generation. I love the Destructoid comparison to a concept album.
Probably because taken together they're easily one of the best gaming experiences of the generation. I love the Destructoid comparison to a concept album.
Since it seems at least one person in here has Saga, I have a couple of quick questions. I'm curious enough about this series (only got Beat, way back in the day, and never got beyond one of the early segments in Growth) that I want to give this a run, though I'm still debating with myself over which rendition to pick up.
Anyway, I've heard that Fate was originally controlled using the pointer and nunchuk for movement. Sounds very Sin and Punishment-esque, but now do those controls translate onto the 3DS? The best I've been able to figure is using the lower screen to direct aiming, slide pad for movement, and the L button to fire a la Kid Icarus. In which case I guess my trepidation is the same as it is in that game, I just can't imagine this being very precise and comfortable to hold for very long at all.
Second, regarding Void...I'm willing to bet that youtube video quality does it no favors, but it seems to me like the background gets so damn dark at times that it becomes pretty well impossible to see the black beats at all and I don't want to have to play based on total guesswork. Is this problem somewhat mitigated when you're playing on an actual television? Is the game still sufficiently visible on the 3DS screen (even if the 3-D itself isn't active)?
I keep wavering back and forth over which version I'd rather take, as I'm not gonna double-dip on this at the moment.
Anyway, I've heard that Fate was originally controlled using the pointer and nunchuk for movement. Sounds very Sin and Punishment-esque, but now do those controls translate onto the 3DS? The best I've been able to figure is using the lower screen to direct aiming, slide pad for movement, and the L button to fire a la Kid Icarus. In which case I guess my trepidation is the same as it is in that game, I just can't imagine this being very precise and comfortable to hold for very long at all.
Second, regarding Void...I'm willing to bet that youtube video quality does it no favors, but it seems to me like the background gets so damn dark at times that it becomes pretty well impossible to see the black beats at all and I don't want to have to play based on total guesswork. Is this problem somewhat mitigated when you're playing on an actual television? Is the game still sufficiently visible on the 3DS screen (even if the 3-D itself isn't active)?
I keep wavering back and forth over which version I'd rather take, as I'm not gonna double-dip on this at the moment.
Doorman said:
Fate control is fine. You use the stylus to aim, like you said, and as long as you are aiming, you are shooting, you don't have to hit another button. You use the slide pad to move along the track.
Void looks fine, you can see the dots with no problem.
Now to talk about my impressions.
I have had more time with the game and I stand by them. The games are so smooth and buttery, that when you turn on 3D its very noticeable. Not only that, but I did an experiment and I seem to do better in the games with the 3D off. Its really a hindrance in this type of game. You have LOTS of dots coming at you, changing speeds and doing crazy shit, and them juddering certainly does not help matters.
The circle pad is in fact analog (not digital like I thought earlier) for the paddle games, but is literally useless. I honestly think it would be easier to play MvC3 with a Rock Band guitar as the controller than it would be to play BEAT with the circle pad. It's like it (paddle movement with slide pad) was programmed by someone who never played the game, either before they programmed it or after. It just doesn't work at all. They needed to implement a system where it is really fast and you hold a button to make it slower, or vice versa. Luckily, I have found that for me, playing with the stylus is okay as long as the 3DS is on a table. If I have to hold the DS and play, it's agony.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Ahh, I knew that there was some reason why the 3DS version scored lower than the Wii one in Nintendo Power.
Gaijin should've done this in house. Letting a one man studio port all 6 titles was a bad idea.
Wii version it is for me then.
Gaijin should've done this in house. Letting a one man studio port all 6 titles was a bad idea.
Wii version it is for me then.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
That doesn't sound too bad. I'll look into it. Thanks for the suggestion.Famassu said:
Naked Snake
Member
Glix said:
I'm still confused at the conflicting impressions. NintendoLife said the 3D makes seeing the dots coming at you easier in their impressions of a preview build of the game:
NintendoLife said:
That's how I always played Elite Beat Agents (or laying on my stomach on a bed/couch with the DS resting flat beneath me while I'm proped up on my elbows). Can't imagine playing a fast-past stylus game with holding the system in my hand(s).
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Dark Schala said:That doesn't sound too bad. I'll look into it. Thanks for the suggestion.
I've bought all of my US import games from there for the last 6+ years. They're the best of the best. Can't recommend them enough!
Naked Snake
Member
Glix, how does the game sound on 3DS? Do you find the volume low? Have you played with headphones?
WordAssassin
Member
Fuck. I have $10 in Best Buy Monies and I wanted to use it on this game, but it's backordered on their site, and NONE of the stores are carrying it. I could do Ship To Store, but it wouldn't even ship out for another 2 weeks, plus I'd have to pay extra for the shipping.
Guess I'll have to order off Amazon for full price :\
Guess I'll have to order off Amazon for full price :\
Naked Snake
Member
Amazon just sent me an email that they're unable to charge my card, then I realized the card I used to place the preorder has no funds on it... Debating whether to update the payment info to let the order process or wait for more impressions...
Edit: Ouch
Edit: Ouch