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Black Ops sold $360M in sales day one, 16 percent increase over MW2
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That's all hypothetical and nobody can give an accurate answer, but listen to the most recent Bombcast where Vinny discusses a conversation he had with his Dad, who I assume is a man in his 50s, maybe 60s, who doesn't play a lot of games yet knew the distinction between a Call of Duty game and a Modern Warfare game. He wanted Modern Warfare, not "that other Call of Duty stuff."duckroll said:
I think what attracts people isn't the name but the setting. People want realistic and modern, not World War 2, and it can be called Black Ops or Modern Warfare or anything else as long as it's sorta-modern OOH-RAH!
BobTheFork
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yes yes, I was referencing that thread someone made.Shurs said:
I wish I liked these games I really do. Shooters have gone to a place that I simply cannot follow. I hated CoD 4 and I haven't liked any of the Cod follow-ups either.
Vigilant Walrus
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In Japan they are seeing this news, thinking "wtf... all those games are the same. good that we have Dynasty Warrior!"
But seriously, this is... Disturbing. I dont own the game yet, but it looks really weak.. What new does the game bring? I havent played Reach, but that series plays differently. Halo feels different. COD and everything else feels the same in pace, and gameplay time.
The fast death/ and fast respawn mentality, has reduced the aspect of dying/losing the game, to nothing, and thus suspense and a want to not die is removed, as the punishment for dying is good. if there is no risk, there is no reward. COD has become a cumbersome feeling of fuck.
COD4 was sorta fun, but I have not enjoyed this series to its fulliest since the first one, but even WW2 was getting stale back then, and already there, in the series inception the game rode on the fucking laurels of Allied Assault and everything-wanna-be-saving-private-ryan. ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
God, I want a true sequel to Battlefield 2 so bad. I am so sick of this shit.
COD lacks sophistication, and balance. There is no healthy ego system. its a bundle of michael bay type narrative shit, but without the campy fun, pulled down by a majestic military porn setting, that takes its aces from war films through boring scripted events to hide the simplistic AI, respawning enemies, lack of balanced weapons, lack of authentic non-cheap difficulty(demons souls, ninja gaiden...) and just a peerless boring bunch of linear levels with many invisible walls.
The lack of imagination is disturbing. any setting has to be more fun than this modern crap. I'll say that Black Ops looks more interesting than the last two, as they at least swap the goddam era for something else, but my fiery heart is further enraged when I see that we're getting to ride down a stream in vietnam with more goddam vietnam rock music. As the klichee was not klichee enough. FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Curses! But so what? So what? The world would be wrong if this mainstream game - This is the X factor/American Idol of video games. COD is Jonas Brothers and Lady Gaga. COD is Transfomers.
But I wanted this to be more like a high quality mainstream affair... Sure Dark Knight/Inception are overrated as crap in some areas. But if COD had that place in the gaming world, instead of the place of boring irelevance. Then the world would be a tiny bit better place.
EA and BF3 will not save us. It will not be the return to form for them. They will look inwards and at what COD is doing. That's what they are doing wrong. The last thing they should be doing is looking at COD.
I think I will buy Black Ops, but the multiplayer does not sound like anything, I was hoping for. Why are we going backwards? Stuffing everyone throat with modes, guns and weapons and just shit you dont need... What you need is fewer things that work. Less is more GODDAMIT. LESS IS MORE.
Give me 3 guns that are fun to use, rather than 30 mediocre once.
But seriously, this is... Disturbing. I dont own the game yet, but it looks really weak.. What new does the game bring? I havent played Reach, but that series plays differently. Halo feels different. COD and everything else feels the same in pace, and gameplay time.
The fast death/ and fast respawn mentality, has reduced the aspect of dying/losing the game, to nothing, and thus suspense and a want to not die is removed, as the punishment for dying is good. if there is no risk, there is no reward. COD has become a cumbersome feeling of fuck.
COD4 was sorta fun, but I have not enjoyed this series to its fulliest since the first one, but even WW2 was getting stale back then, and already there, in the series inception the game rode on the fucking laurels of Allied Assault and everything-wanna-be-saving-private-ryan. ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
God, I want a true sequel to Battlefield 2 so bad. I am so sick of this shit.
COD lacks sophistication, and balance. There is no healthy ego system. its a bundle of michael bay type narrative shit, but without the campy fun, pulled down by a majestic military porn setting, that takes its aces from war films through boring scripted events to hide the simplistic AI, respawning enemies, lack of balanced weapons, lack of authentic non-cheap difficulty(demons souls, ninja gaiden...) and just a peerless boring bunch of linear levels with many invisible walls.
The lack of imagination is disturbing. any setting has to be more fun than this modern crap. I'll say that Black Ops looks more interesting than the last two, as they at least swap the goddam era for something else, but my fiery heart is further enraged when I see that we're getting to ride down a stream in vietnam with more goddam vietnam rock music. As the klichee was not klichee enough. FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Curses! But so what? So what? The world would be wrong if this mainstream game - This is the X factor/American Idol of video games. COD is Jonas Brothers and Lady Gaga. COD is Transfomers.
But I wanted this to be more like a high quality mainstream affair... Sure Dark Knight/Inception are overrated as crap in some areas. But if COD had that place in the gaming world, instead of the place of boring irelevance. Then the world would be a tiny bit better place.
EA and BF3 will not save us. It will not be the return to form for them. They will look inwards and at what COD is doing. That's what they are doing wrong. The last thing they should be doing is looking at COD.
I think I will buy Black Ops, but the multiplayer does not sound like anything, I was hoping for. Why are we going backwards? Stuffing everyone throat with modes, guns and weapons and just shit you dont need... What you need is fewer things that work. Less is more GODDAMIT. LESS IS MORE.
Give me 3 guns that are fun to use, rather than 30 mediocre once.
water_wendi
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If i was at Respawn id be worried. The people that buy CoD care only about the name. Its like the Wests version of Gundam.Chinner said:
Sho_Nuff82
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jmdajr said:
Considering Modern Warfare (COD4) still costs $30 online, aren't you being a bit optimistic? There will be spot sales like with most games, but this won't drop below $50 MSRP until next November.
Vigilant Walrus said:
BattleMonkey
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BobTheFork said:
Besides the reasons given, it's also the biggest shooter on the market, and people like to play what all their buddies are playing. People try other shooters but all their buds are playing COD, they will likely dump whatever game they are playing to go back to be with the rest of the crowd.
YakiSOBA said:
The casual public pretty much has no idea about IW and Trey, they just see Activion and COD and buy it.
a truly viable alternative is a good start to putting a dent in sales. BC2 is that for me, but it's still too complicated for a lot of the CoD crowd. MoH has the best chance if they can up the quality. I actually think that Black Ops will hurt the sales of the next game. I would bet that we just saw the peak of the CoD series. Black Ops is not as good a game as Modern Warfare 2, but is riding off the success of MW2.badcrumble said:
water_wendi
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The problem with this is that the gaming industry follows sales. Types of games stop being made not because they dont sell but because they dont sell as much as something else.DaBuddaDa said:
the_concierge
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Vigilant Walrus said:
Haha after that massive rant you're still buying the game?
For the record, I'm loving Black Ops multiplayer and it's basically for the exact things you've complained about.
Tylahedras
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Interesting, I thought the settting would hurt sales to some degree, guess not.
Peterthumpa
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Crappy game with the same crappy storyline and crappy multiplayer.
For God's sake, Call of Duty is the "SAW" of videogames. :lol
For God's sake, Call of Duty is the "SAW" of videogames. :lol
rvy said:
No, we don't.
All we want is to play Team Tactical and unlock challenges and contracts.
TheOddOne said:
No it is not.
He wants COD to become old-school Rainbow Six.
Wrong series mate. COD is COD. Way it is - it is perfect. In case of Black Ops - it will be perfect after they patch current problems with slowdowns.
Give me my guns baby, today is a great day to frag million people.
Sho_Nuff82
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water_wendi said:
I can't think of any game genre that completely died off despite pulling great numbers.
Edit:
And I'm not going to buy Black Ops, but the only reason I "hate" CoD is because of its lousy campaign and the fact that every big shooter seems to get pushed to the spring to duck them the last two years. I played through COD4's campaign and half of COD3's/MW2's, it just isn't for me. Sold the copy of MW2 my brother bought for me last Christmas after a few months, put the money towards Mass Effect 2 and Splinter Cell.
CoD is still the biggest console mover for PS3 and 360, more systems still = bigger audiences for everything else last I recalled.
CoachKevin
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offshore said:
Why? Good to great games sell. Shooters sell. Good to great shooters sell a ton!
Just because you might not like COD doesn't mean it is bad for video games or the industry.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Rpgs after Baldurs Gate 2. Bioware spearheaded the dumbing down of rpgs and even though supposed "hardcore" rpg games like BG2 sold great they dont have that mass market appeal according to publishers. You can see this happening now with Dragon Age 2.Sho_Nuff82 said:
Nothing ever really dies out but the focus is always on making things easier and dumber. Eventually there will be a CoD with challenge equivalent to Hungry Hungry Hippos.
by my maths the jump from 4.7 million to 5.6 million units is greater percentage wise than the 16% jump in revenue, so it looks like they sold fewer special editions as a ratio of overall sales this time round. maybe the remote control car was less attractive than the night vision goggles, or it could be the lack of content comparable to COD1 XBLA/PSN in the hardened version, or just people burned by the cost-use ratio of the MW2 special editions not making the mistake again, probably a combination of all three.
blurredvision
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Given that we know how much MW2 sold in terms of cash and units, then you can use those to get a rough estimate on how many units BO sold since we know the cash. MW2 was an average of $65.95 per unit, so using the $360m we know BO did, then you can see that it's probable that BO sold around 5.45m units.
Obviously that can and will vary since it's not guaranteed that BO sold the same amount of up-priced editions that MW2 did, but I'd say 5.5m is a pretty damn close guess on units sold. Which needless to say is a verifiable fuck-load.
Obviously that can and will vary since it's not guaranteed that BO sold the same amount of up-priced editions that MW2 did, but I'd say 5.5m is a pretty damn close guess on units sold. Which needless to say is a verifiable fuck-load.
Vigilant Walrus
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Shurs said:
Point was that Reach plays like the other Halo, but that's okay, because there are few other games I have tried that play like Halo.
Maybe Pariah and a bit Planetside, felt a bit like it back in 03, but they are both a stretch.
Point is that, Halo has not made big leaps either but I at least forgive that franchise, even though I dont care about it that much anymore, because of the gravity, and its way of doing things. Your generic run of the mill shooter feels nothing like Halo.
But everything now feels like COD. And the rest nobody on a global level, really cares about. Nobody really doesnt care that much about Resistence or Killzone. Those games are not played 10 years down the road. They dont have enough style and umpf to keep them up there.
Yeah, so in another way of approaching it - Is that everyone else is failing for stigmatizing COD.
But here is the kicker - Infinity Ward was created because, EA raped the employees at 2015, after they had done Allied Assault. And Allied Assault, was if I remember correctly - Not generic at all. It stood against RtCW, a lesser game in single player at least, but its overall pace and feeling was different.
Anyway... IW is created to spite EA, and to stick it to the big man.
Acti publishes. Acti buys IW, and COD goes through its round of looking inwards not evolving. The biggest leap this series ever made was going to Halo health in COD2. Didnt suit the game IMO.
Acti screws over IW, and the guys leave Acti to again stick it to the big man.
But they return to EA at Respawn. LOOOOOOOOOL. GODDAM LOL hypocracy, all over my face. I am sure the founders are basking in the capitalist game of playing favorites between the big pubs!
Yes but there is always some other studio to pick up the pieces behind them. If there is demand for hardcore RPGs they will be made. Maybe not by Bioware or Blizzard or Activision, but someone will (and plenty have).water_wendi said:
During the exact time Call of Duty has been making headlines, we've gotten Crysis, Portal, TF2, Bioshock, Left 4 Dead and Borderlands.
I wouldn't be so pessimistic.
Actually, hardly anything feels like CoD other than CoD. It's nothing but anti-Activision anti-bro anti-hype rhetoric.Vigilant Walrus said:
Vigilant Walrus
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CoachKevin said:
Every new shooter will play like COD.
Before MW2 I had never heard of games being removed their release quarter to avoid getting released with another game.(MW2). Even games in other genres, for other target audiences.
Either gamers have become more hive minded, or else, developers are afraid to take risks and are getting paranoid.
You might as well play COD. What else would you play? Medal of Honor, Battlefield... They all play like COD now. There is nothing left. Your going to get the modern day play as a US/British thing versus USA unfavored places like China/Asian/Middle Eastern/Russian were the bad guys are always from.
And its boring. Why cant they just make a medival COD. That would be fun. a first person trainwreck through the 12 crusades! YES! Historical epic fun. Thats the game I would make. playing as both Mamuluks, Turks, Egyptians, Templar Order, the hospitaliers.
Man, that would be epic. or world war 1.
But devs wont make this for us. They are speaking down to us. It's insulting. Just imagine how different gameplay would be if you used world war 1 rifles. if you had to use bayonet for a large majority of the gameplay, and the large threats involved with mustard gasses. jesus christ. imagine how different level designs would have to be with levels in trenches.
man, COD is not a bad idea, but like Dynasty Warriors it needs to evolve. We didnt need MW2, we dont need Black Ops. COD4 was PLENTY of modern warfare. BF2 took its series to a modern day back in 05. it was old years ago.
And its all just raining on current world events, from a stupid B movie Steven segal perspective. terrorists are boring. they are boring villains and cant hold a candle to nazis. there I said it. nazis are better enemies than terrorists.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
Shurs said:
I don't Hate COD. But yeah, I see the paradox of what I am getting angry at. If you're the marked leader you could step up with your balls and guide the marked in a good direction instead of stalling.
Know what I mean?