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[DaBuddaDa]

Bobby Kotick if you're reading this:

It's time to step up with your balls.

 

[Zep]

Rainbow Six is still the better shooter.

 

[CoachKevin]

All of you people who say that this is a bad thing seem to forget that COD sold systems. People that don't give a crap about hardcore games buy COD, and in doing so may be other games as well throughout the year.

Having more consoles out there is never a bad thing. Take your "I am so hardcore because all I play are games that are niche and don't sell" attitude and go play some more Demon Souls.

 

[X26]

after beating the campaign and putting around 10hrs in MP, it's well deserved no matter how much purists cry about it

 

[acm2000]

and CeX 2nd hand copies update...

(available online)

x360 - 123
ps3 - 71
wii - 6 :lol

i think this is a good indication of platform split

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Vigilant Walrus is Gaf's true renewable hilarity source.

I am glad I entertain you, but I assure you that my knowledge(IMO) is vast and conflicted when it comes to knowledge about shooters. I know that sounds overly pretentious, but I have not seen any reason to think otherwise.

My limited knowledge with the english language further elevates my posts to laughing stock, but if you can get through the awkward explanations and writing, I think most hardcore gamers will agree with what I am saying. And just to reconfirm - Just because your fed up with something, does not mean that everyone who agrees with your overall opinion are too. They are not just there yet, I think.

But like when we got sick of WW2, I am sure we will get there as well here. It always annoyed me that nobody had the guts to make a Das Boot or Untergang in gaming. Were we actually can play as the Germans. It's so one sided, the games we see.

Not only is it boring, and tame to play as the USA marines/special ops British forces/SAS/whatever, its actually also white washing.


in my country they talked about banning medal of honor due to the taliban being in the game. if your able to play one goddam side of the army, you should be able to play the other side as well. what a moronic way of thinking, to take politics into games.

I wont advocate to play as Taliban, because it would be boring, because they are boring enemies. a Alien in Halo is much more, lively and interesting to look at. but just that you cant



black ops would be more fun if you could fight weird things, that looked interesting. steroids pumped camels, horses with wings, machine gun bears - crazy stuff, - but its not like you could take the story serious in MW2 was it?
so why not go full out and turn it into monty python with guns. at least go out in style in the name of being creative.

 

[Zaptruder]

There are three separate development studios that work on Call of Duty: Sledgehammer, Treyarch and Infinity Ward. They have nothing to do with each other and work on separate games in the series. They're all owned by Activision.

The More You Know *woosh*

dammit. I thought it was only two and that infinity ward had dissolved. We're screwed.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

dammit. I thought it was only two and that infinity ward had dissolved. We're screwed.

Infinity Ward has, over the past year, lost 25-35% of its original members, but the studio is still running and rebuilding.

 

[Htown]

I basically didn't care about the game, then I saw the Giant Bomb quick look and...

there's some REALLY cool stuff in that game. The campaign looks really interesting in a Cold War espionage/action sort of way, all the interrogation and conspiracy stuff looks cool as well. That stuff with the secret computer looks awesome as all hell, and there's hidden arcade style games you can play and stuff. I also like that there's the zombie stuff in the multiplayer, and there are some cool game modes beyond the standard stuff, like the One in the Chamber wager match.

I dunno. I feel like the sales are deserved just because it's obvious how much effort went into putting a bunch of content into the game, even if there are apparently some technical problems. I find it weird how forgiving people are of games like Fallout, where there are bugs and glitches all over the place, but when Call of Duty has some framerate issues THIS IS SOME BULLSHIT TREYARCH SUCKS.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I don't Hate COD. But yeah, I see the paradox of what I am getting angry at. If you're the marked leader you could step up with your balls and guide the marked in a good direction instead of stalling.

Know what I mean?

Your solution is that Activision invest hundreds of millions in WWI and Medieval FPS? Or make a complete fantasy game? Are you out of your mind?

If you want variety, the FPS (or the general shooter) genre has tons of it. As you mentioned before, there's Halo, there's Battlefield, there's Crysis (awesome game btw, I'm going to make a LTTP thread about it soon), there's ARMA2, there's Team Fortress 2, there's CounterStrike, there's Bioshock, there's Killzone, there's Gears. Next year, we'll have a new SOCOM, Deus Ex, Crysis, Ghost Recon, Killzone, Brink, RAGE, Duke Nukem, Bulletstorm, Portal, Homefront, Thief, Gears, and yes, another COD.

You don't have to buy it. In fact, don't buy it. Let CoD be CoD. If you want the industry to go in another direction, bitching and still giving Activision your money instead of their competitors accomplishes absolutely nothing. I just bought Reach and Crysis/Warhead/Wars, beta testing a few others, I'm covered for shooters until Portal 2/Deus EX come out.

I dunno. I feel like the sales are deserved just because it's obvious how much effort went into putting a bunch of content into the game, even if there are apparently some technical problems. I find it weird how forgiving people are of games like Fallout, where there are bugs and glitches all over the place, but when Call of Duty has some framerate issues THIS IS SOME BULLSHIT TREYARCH SUCKS

Aside from the over the top Michael Bay moments, people sleep on CoD being the only decent shooter on consoles running at twice the framerate of all of the competition. Maybe the responsiveness combined with the net code keeps people coming back?

 

[hamchan]

I don't Hate COD. But yeah, I see the paradox of what I am getting angry at. If you're the marked leader you could step up with your balls and guide the marked in a good direction instead of stalling.

Know what I mean?

If you're the market leader you have no incentive to change much unless sales start dropping and in this case it's actually rising!

Anyways, Congrats to CoD. Single player is pretty great so far, haven't encountered anything stupid like in MW2 so far. Multiplayer is broken on PC though, Treyarch messed up there.

 

[water_wendi]

I dunno. I feel like the sales are deserved just because it's obvious how much effort went into putting a bunch of content into the game, even if there are apparently some technical problems. I find it weird how forgiving people are of games like Fallout, where there are bugs and glitches all over the place, but when Call of Duty has some framerate issues THIS IS SOME BULLSHIT TREYARCH SUCKS.

Its because RPGs (especially open world ones... and especially rpgs that are heavy with dialogue branches and different factions that takes place in an open world) are on a whole other level when it comes to complexity.

 

[unomas]

I honestly didn't think it would outpace MW2, I haven't picked it up yet, and was day 1 for the last 3 COD games, but to me it's becoming a bit like Madden. It's not something I have to have every year from now on, and I'm still not sure if I'm picking up Black Ops yet or not. I've heard plenty of good things, but after just picking up Kinect my spending for the year might be over.

 

[gundamzeta209]

I can't believe what i'm reading here in this thread. You are all acting like a some slacked jawed hipsters. Does something's popularity ruin your day?

I think I know who's complaining. It's the weabos. they're Mad because COD sells and their precious Atlus game doesn't. JRPGs suck and nobody important likes Anime anymore. Sorry to break it to you.


there are a lot of weird people on Neogaf. it can't be that serious. A popular video game is not an Analog to Pop music or popcorn summer films. Video games are a completely different medium of entertainment.

Games need to be fun or they aren't going to sell. Movies can get away with sucking if there's enough hype. A pop star can suck a singing if she looks good. If a game doesn't look fun or it doesn't have an established name, it's not going to sell. I don't care how much marketing or hype is involved. it's not going to sell.

 

[Beer Monkey]

and CeX 2nd hand copies update...

(available online)

x360 - 123
ps3 - 71
wii - 6 :lol

i think this is a good indication of platform split

How many of those PS3 copies are from people unhappy about the visuals?

 

[subversus]

I haven't had time to leave an opinion in OT, but Black Ops features the best campaign in the series. Good job, Treyarch, I never thought you could do it. I wish I had time to finish it in one sitting because only time restrictions made me stop. The presentation is top-notch and there's a soul there definitely. So far MW1 and Black Ops are the best in the series. MW2 was a fucking abortion of the game.

 

[water_wendi]

I can't believe what i'm reading here in this thread. You are all acting like a some slacked jawed hipsters. Does something's popularity ruin your day?

Popularity doesnt exactly ruin my day. Its just that the gaming industry is perhaps the largest "Me too!" industry in any entertainment medium. If one game genre or style of genre you dont like becomes popular you can be certain that the games you do like will suffer because resources will shift to accommodate what makes more money.

 

[RedStep]

In Japan they are seeing this news, thinking "wtf... all those games are the same. good that we have Dynasty Warrior!"

But seriously, this is... Disturbing. I dont own the game yet, but it looks really weak.. What new does the game bring? I havent played Reach, but that series plays differently. Halo feels different. COD and everything else feels the same in pace, and gameplay time.

The fast death/ and fast respawn mentality, has reduced the aspect of dying/losing the game, to nothing, and thus suspense and a want to not die is removed, as the punishment for dying is good. if there is no risk, there is no reward. COD has become a cumbersome feeling of fuck.
COD4 was sorta fun, but I have not enjoyed this series to its fulliest since the first one, but even WW2 was getting stale back then, and already there, in the series inception the game rode on the fucking laurels of Allied Assault and everything-wanna-be-saving-private-ryan. ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu

God, I want a true sequel to Battlefield 2 so bad. I am so sick of this shit.

COD lacks sophistication, and balance. There is no healthy ego system. its a bundle of michael bay type narrative shit, but without the campy fun, pulled down by a majestic military porn setting, that takes its aces from war films through boring scripted events to hide the simplistic AI, respawning enemies, lack of balanced weapons, lack of authentic non-cheap difficulty(demons souls, ninja gaiden...) and just a peerless boring bunch of linear levels with many invisible walls.

The lack of imagination is disturbing. any setting has to be more fun than this modern crap. I'll say that Black Ops looks more interesting than the last two, as they at least swap the goddam era for something else, but my fiery heart is further enraged when I see that we're getting to ride down a stream in vietnam with more goddam vietnam rock music. As the klichee was not klichee enough. FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Curses! But so what? So what? The world would be wrong if this mainstream game - This is the X factor/American Idol of video games. COD is Jonas Brothers and Lady Gaga. COD is Transfomers.
But I wanted this to be more like a high quality mainstream affair... Sure Dark Knight/Inception are overrated as crap in some areas. But if COD had that place in the gaming world, instead of the place of boring irelevance. Then the world would be a tiny bit better place.

EA and BF3 will not save us. It will not be the return to form for them. They will look inwards and at what COD is doing. That's what they are doing wrong. The last thing they should be doing is looking at COD.

I think I will buy Black Ops, but the multiplayer does not sound like anything, I was hoping for. Why are we going backwards? Stuffing everyone throat with modes, guns and weapons and just shit you dont need... What you need is fewer things that work. Less is more GODDAMIT. LESS IS MORE.
Give me 3 guns that are fun to use, rather than 30 mediocre once.

This reminds me of John Travolta's Dog Day Afternoon speech at the beginning of Swordfish, but retarded.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Popularity doesnt exactly ruin my day. Its just that the gaming industry is perhaps the largest "Me too!" industry in any entertainment medium. If one game genre or style of genre you dont like becomes popular you can be certain that the games you do like will suffer because resources will shift to accommodate what makes more money.

BioWare has gone in the direction it did because of the success of KOTOR. It and Morrowind made Western RPGs popular on consoles. Mass Effect is a natural extension of KOTOR, ME2 was a step back as an RPG but fixed everything that was broken about the gunplay. Haven't played Dragon Age to judge. It's not as if traditional WRPGs aren't being made at all, isn't The Witcher a pretty big hit?

 

[jcm]

I can't believe what i'm reading here in this thread. You are all acting like a some slacked jawed hipsters. Does something's popularity ruin your day?

I think I know who's complaining. It's the weabos. they're Mad because COD sells and their precious Atlus game doesn't. JRPGs suck and nobody important likes Anime anymore. Sorry to break it to you.


there are a lot of weird people on Neogaf. it can't be that serious. A popular video game is not an Analog to Pop music or popcorn summer films. Video games are a completely different medium of entertainment.

Games need to be fun or they aren't going to sell. Movies can get away with sucking if there's enough hype. A pop star can suck a singing if she looks good. If a game doesn't look fun or it doesn't have an established name, it's not going to sell. I don't care how much marketing or hype is involved. it's not going to sell.

I like the way you use capital letters. It makes reading your post very interesting. There doesn't appear to be any pattern at all.

 

[Seraphis Cain]

Meaning, gamers don't care about resolutions, framerates and buying unfinished products. Good job, gamers.

They really don't, though. Well, for the unfinished product thing, they probably just don't KNOW it's unfinished. But as long as they're having fun, they probably wouldn't care anyway.

But anyway, not caring about framerate and resolution isn't a bad thing.

 

[Chinner]

and CeX 2nd hand copies update...

(available online)

x360 - 123
ps3 - 71
wii - 6 :lol

i think this is a good indication of platform split

this just proves that the wii version is the best version because no one is trading in their copies

 

[water_wendi]

BioWare has gone in the direction it did because of the success of KOTOR. It and Morrowind made Western RPGs popular on consoles.

And both of those were dumbed down versions of what came before it.

Mass Effect is a natural extension of KOTOR, ME2 was a step back as an RPG but fixed everything that was broken about the gunplay. Haven't played Dragon Age to judge. It's not as if traditional WRPGs aren't being made at all, isn't The Witcher a pretty big hit?

Wrpgs with any kind of complexity or depth are very rare. Even when a game like Dragon Age is Biowares most successful release to date, they go the route of dumbing down the sequel.

 

[Road]

In Japan they are seeing this news, thinking "wtf... all those games are the same. good that we have Dynasty Warrior!"

In Japan:

Dynasty Warriors 6 - 439k

Modern Warfare - 377k
Modern Warfare 2 - 374k

 

[Raide]

this just proves that the wii version is the best version because no one is trading in their copies

Well, not if they only sold 6 copies in the first place. :lol

 

[ultron87]

Popularity doesnt exactly ruin my day. Its just that the gaming industry is perhaps the largest "Me too!" industry in any entertainment medium. If one game genre or style of genre you dont like becomes popular you can be certain that the games you do like will suffer because resources will shift to accommodate what makes more money.

Oh please. Every entertainment industry does the exact same thing. Look at all of the 3d movies in the wake of Avatar, or the flood of serialized mystery shows in the wake of Lost's success for just a few examples.

Things that are popular cause more things that are like the original thing to get produced while unpopular genres fade into the background for some amount of time. Shocking concept, I know.

 

[gundamzeta209]

Popularity doesnt exactly ruin my day. Its just that the gaming industry is perhaps the largest "Me too!" industry in any entertainment medium. If one game genre or style of genre you dont like becomes popular you can be certain that the games you do like will suffer because resources will shift to accommodate what makes more money.

People make video games to make money. I like COD and i'm happy that it does big numbers. I'm happy that Fallout is selling briskly. I'm quite happy with today's gaming market in general.

Games aren't movies or music. Games aren't high art, and they don't have the possibility to be high art. I don't see where this hispter-ish elitism comes from. There's no foundation for it to begin with.

 

[Lunchbox]

living off infinity wards hard work must feel good

but now that IW's dead the series is at its home stretch, few more years till its tony hawked

 

[NHale]

If i was at Respawn id be worried. The people that buy CoD care only about the name. Its like the Wests version of Gundam.

Not really. I bet EA will make a huge marketing campaign for the game starting with "From the makers of COD4: Modern Warfare and Modern Warfare 2". I wouldn't be surprised if that sentence will be on the cover of the game.

The brand recognition is so strong that this single step will be enough to create enough awareness to make Respawn game a huge success. Unless they make a futuristic game...

 

[TheOddOne]

Not really. I bet EA will make a huge marketing campaign for the game starting with "From the makers of COD4: Modern Warfare and Modern Warfare 2". That brand recognition is so strong that this will be enough to create enough awareness to make Respawn game a huge success. Unless they make a futuristic game...

I doubt EA can do that.

 

[water_wendi]

Games aren't movies or music. Games aren't high art, and they don't have the possibility to be high art. I don't see where this hispter-ish elitism comes from. There's no foundation for it to begin with.

Has nothing to do with hipster-ish elitism. Has to do with selfishness. i want games that push things forward and build off of what came before. i dont want games that are dumbed down because some guy didnt buy a game in a genre he doesnt like to begin with.

edit:

Not really. I bet EA will make a huge marketing campaign for the game starting with "From the makers of COD4: Modern Warfare and Modern Warfare 2". I wouldn't be surprised if that sentence will be on the cover of the game.

The brand recognition is so strong that this single step will be enough to create enough awareness to make Respawn game a huge success. Unless they make a futuristic game...

i doubt the eventual Respawn game is even going to be a blip on the radar saleswise.

 

[rvy]

I doubt EA can do that.

Activision will sue them for telling the truth? :lol

Spoiler

I kid, I kid...

 

[Chris R]

Meaning, gamers don't care about resolutions, framerates and buying unfinished products. Good job, gamers.

Call of Motherfucking Duty brah. Activison can do no wrong.

I can't wait for Call of Duty: Guitar Hero and the other three or four games in the works.

 

[R2D4]

Maybe they will get a third developer even shittier than Treyarch and start pumping these out every 6 months.

 

[TheOddOne]

Maybe they will get a third developer even shittier than Treyarch and start pumping these out every 6 months.

You talkin' about Sledgehammer games?

 

[R2D4]

You talkin' about Sledgehammer games?

Are there three already? I don't know what "Sledgehammer games" is.

 

[NHale]

I doubt EA can do that.

Unless West and Zampella deal with Activision prohibits them from do it, there is nothing Activision can do to avoid it since it's not false advertising.

IRC Pachter said the same thing in some Bonus Round or Pach Attack.

i doubt the eventual Respawn game is even going to be a blip on the radar saleswise.

What do you consider a "blip on the radar saleswise"? If Medal of Honor sells 2M in the first weeks after getting bad reviews, I don't see how a Respawn game will sell less than that. Reviewers will give the benefit of the doubt like they did with MW2, so the game would have to be fundamentally broke to receive reviews as bad as MOH.

 

[FrankT]

Rainbow Six is still the better shooter.

You know whatever happened to Rainbow Six. Was pretty big early on this generation. Kind of dropped off the map entirely. I still want a Ghost Recon like the early days of it.

 

[Raide]

You know whatever happened to Rainbow Six. Was pretty big early on this generation. Kind of dropped off the map entirely. I still want a Ghost Recon like the early days of it.

I guess you might find out once the new Ghost Recon finally ships. They tend to alternate like that.

 

[TheOddOne]

Are there three already? I don't know what "Sledgehammer games" is.

Sledgehammer website.

Headed up by some ex-Dead Space guys.

 

[JB1981]

Infinity Ward has, over the past year, lost 25-35% of its original members, but the studio is still running and rebuilding.

Wow I actually did not know this. Didn't the best talent leave, though?

 

[djtiesto]

I can't believe what i'm reading here in this thread. You are all acting like a some slacked jawed hipsters. Does something's popularity ruin your day?

I think I know who's complaining. It's the weabos. they're Mad because COD sells and their precious Atlus game doesn't. JRPGs suck and nobody important likes Anime anymore. Sorry to break it to you.


there are a lot of weird people on Neogaf. it can't be that serious. A popular video game is not an Analog to Pop music or popcorn summer films. Video games are a completely different medium of entertainment.

Games need to be fun or they aren't going to sell. Movies can get away with sucking if there's enough hype. A pop star can suck a singing if she looks good. If a game doesn't look fun or it doesn't have an established name, it's not going to sell. I don't care how much marketing or hype is involved. it's not going to sell.

Good thing most sane people know to take the opinion of someone with a Reagan avatar with a grain of salt.

Spoiler

Though maybe this might be a troll post. Someone referencing gundam in their username making fun of weeaboo?

 

[DMeisterJ]

Not the news the folks over at Respawn wanted to hear... CoD doing fine without IW/Respawn means that it really isn't about the dev in this case, so hopefully their following will follow them to their next game.

 

[Always-honest]

lazy port justified.

 

[Cesar]

This game is even bigger than MW2? What the hell? :lol
I really can't believe this. Good for Treyarch though, but damn!

 

[Dresden]

Wow I actually did not know this. Didn't the best talent leave, though?

Yeah, all the top people left, I think. What's left are grunts who either didn't get invited to the new cool kids's party in EA, or who were unsure about leaving a safe post in this economy. /conjecture

A Respawn game is going to be a hit. Alll the hardcore players know about their roots, and that's how the more detached players will come to know about it--so all that remains is for the quality to be good, and if it is, a lot of people are going to jump ship.

 

[revolverjgw]

How many of those PS3 copies are from people unhappy about the visuals?

Probably only about 4-5 would even notice

 

[Always-honest]

Rainbow Six is still the better shooter.

I'd give both your legs for a next Rainbow Six. God i love those games.

 

[VAIL]

and CeX 2nd hand copies update...

(available online)

x360 - 123
ps3 - 71
wii - 6 :lol

i think this is a good indication of platform split

Wii version is the best version, so of course no one would trade it in, the fact ANYONE is trading it in after it released this week is just mind boggling in itself...

 

[Raide]

Wii version is the best version, so of course no one would trade it in, the fact ANYONE is trading it in after it released this week is just mind boggling in itself...

Had someone trade the game in the same day it launched in my local GAME. Finished SP in 5 hours, traded it in. :lol