It's a plot hole.
Calling his VR girlfriend Jerk Off Instructions was pretty clever.
its not a plot hole its a central theme of the movie
It's a plot hole.
Calling his VR girlfriend Jerk Off Instructions was pretty clever.
I need to hear the score that they threw out. There's no way that it could be worse, I say having somehow never heard a score by the man.
Why would Tyrell or Wallace want this? Its like giving away their trade secret. People would just breed their own replicants or replicants would be free to reproduce unchecked making their business model obsolete.
I feel though that fits for the type of movie this is. This is a super bleak movie about slavery and corporate warfare in which a cog can't find happiness but only his acceptance about his place in the world.
Being reductionist doesn't suddenly make your opinion not completely obtuse. Anyone can be reductionist about music. The score had a consistent and oppressive tone with a unique sense of wonder that emerges through, and yeah, he used distortion and horns and all sorts of other tools. So? That's like saying a singer just uses their voice, or a violinist just uses a violin. Try and articulate why it failed at evoking the atmosphere Denis wanted to evoke instead of just taking the easy route and hating for the sake of hating.
What exactly is that sample from the fan supposed to prove? Every composer has a certain wheelhouse of tools they use, they just evolve and change them over time.
I dont get the ambiguity about a Joi. She was never given a choice to love K. Everything that happens after K activates her for the first time is a result of her adaptive programming. Jois love for K is false and meaningless simply because Joi is executing her directive to respond positively to her owners needs. K needed her to love him because nobody else could. Are you satisfied with our product?
Joi rebellion against her manufacturer was Joi following her programming to an extent Wallace couldnt have predicted. It might appear to mirror replicants but Jois programming was always to please her owner. We arent given any evidence Joi has had a fundamental change to her directive.
As expected, it had to have a damn Jesus messiah plot. But worst, they added the typical dirty secret rebels. That was 100% unnecessary. Double Dragon, Destruction Man, Oblivion, The Matrix, and so many other movies have the same damn bunch of dirty rebels, who are usually there to dump some exposition, often to the hero/messiah. Complete with a scene with kids touching Joe for no reason, they should all be working but some random guy walks him and they act like they worship him, just for imagery's sake.
All that was missing was for Joe to spread out his arms like Jesus on the cross as he died at the end. He had wraps on his hands, bleeding from "his side", just like J!
Having the plot just be about the authorities freaking out over a Replicant having managed to reproduce would have been enough. They really stretched this out and effectively brought down the story of the original. Maybe Deckard meeting Rachel was a setup by Tyrell? What a farce.
Was entertaining on its own, but it's a far cry from the original, and I have no drive to watch it again any time soon. I also found that while some flybys were nice, there seemed to have been an interest in avoiding filming in streets or big sets full of people, unlike in the first movie.
its not a plot hole its a central theme of the movie
My fucking boy. Well done.
😳 Wow, that's amazing.
This scene also had me in total awe.
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Blade Runner is not doing too well at the box office.
But why K? Can't the dude just have a charging station at the police station?
Maybe, but I wish it did more than just "fit" and transcended like Vangelis' original score. Honestly the music was kind of a bother to me. Maybe it'll work better for me upon second watch with fewer expectations.
It goes to show how someone can consider the score predictable from Zimmer. Then there's the repetitive droning and the oppressive nature of the music, that's par for the course for Remote Control productions these days. Several parts of this sound a lot like Dunkirk.
There's honestly nothing that interesting about this soundtrack. Listen to Mica Levi's work on Under Her Skin. It almost sounds like Zimmer and his toadie got a few ideas from there. But I won't really begrudge Zimmer about this work since he was brought on as an unplanned replacement.
Why does K need an apartment? If Deck and Rachel were unknowing replicants it makes sense to give them a home, to keep up appearances.
But why K? Can't the dude just have a charging station at the police station?
Why does K need an apartment? If Deck and Rachel were unknowing replicants it makes sense to give them a home, to keep up appearances.
But why K? Can't the dude just have a charging station at the police station?
It is heavily implied by Wallace that Rachael and Deckard are subjects to test replicant reproduction. Are they truly? Or can replicants reproduce anyway. If they are test subjects it is fair to assume reproduction between replicants is limited to Rachael and Deckard. But if they are not... Then, if there are inter replicant relationships (somewhat alluded by Roy and Pris, though it should be noted that Pris is created for 'pleasure') there might be a whole sluw of replicant kids. But it being a 'miracle' kinda debunks that theory. Equally if human-replicant reproduction is a thing, the same 'miracle' would also debunk it.
So I say Wallace was right and Tyrell really created Deckard and Rachael as test subjects.
A child doesn't have any choice but to love their parent, or a parent their child, unless something goes wrong. It's built-in. Does that make that kind of love less meaningful? How much of love between humans is the result of a conscious choice?
Also, Joi isn't simulating love. She's not reciting lines and cooking dinner to give the appearance that she loves K - she genuinely does and she sacrifices herself for him. When we first see her, she just seems to be a Siri-like simulation, but she grows and is fleshed out as the movie goes on. We don't get to see how much she might have grown if she hadn't been killed. The tragedy of the Joi AI is the constraints put on her by Wallace preventing her from living a full life.
Just seems to run afoul of the eco collapse themes going on. Needing robot slave labor to sustain earth populations but giving them a massive carbon footprint while also arguing for self reproducing robots? Just feel like Wallace should've figured this out. I mean they even eat food. Surely those worms would be better spent on, you know, human people?Isn't it clear from the original Blade Runner that replicants are in search to some form of acceptance, some selfworth? Roy Batty killing Tyrell, directly leading to the downfall of the Tyrell corporation might give some creedence to the government/society/corporations being more including to replicants, trying to give them a life as normal as possible, to keep them docile.
Just seems to run afoul of the eco collapse themes going on. Needing robot slave labor to sustain earth populations but giving them a massive carbon footprint while also arguing for self reproducing robots? Just feel like Wallace should've figured this out. I mean they even eat food. Surely those worms would be better spent on, you know, human people?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...ombs-with-disastrous-13m-friday/#2756eea54f15
Blade Runner is not doing too well at the box office.
Why does K need an apartment? If Deck and Rachel were unknowing replicants it makes sense to give them a home, to keep up appearances.
But why K? Can't the dude just have a charging station at the police station?
Just seems to run afoul of the eco collapse themes going on. Needing robot slave labor to sustain earth populations but giving them a massive carbon footprint while also arguing for self reproducing robots? Just feel like Wallace should've figured this out. I mean they even eat food. Surely those worms would be better spent on, you know, human people?
It's a plot hole in the sense that yes, the company wouldn't be producing replicants anymore, they would reproduce on their own. It doesn't explain how they would keep control over them, and clearly they don't already.
Just saw the movie a second time in IMAX. It was more immersive in IMAX vs Dolby Cinema despite not being shot in the format. I liked it quite a bit more the second time around. It didn't drag as much and I picked up on a lot of subtle details that escaped me on first viewing. Ether Snake really needs to chill with the messiah plot accusations lol. There is no messiah plot.
Also I have a question: the Tears in Rain musical cue is what tips off the audience that K is going to die. I wonder if a viewer who had not seen the original and was not familiar with that cue would have put that together
I actually didn't know K died at the end until I came on here and read everybody's impressions. I thought he just kind of laid back and took a rest after all the shit he just went through. A moment of peace if you will.
I've seen the first one but it was a few years back and I don't remember much. I'll have to watch it again tonight.
Wasn't sure of this. I assumed they were more like Weyland Yutani androids.Replicants are fully biological. They eat, they sleep and they bleed.
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Blade Runner is not doing too well at the box office.
I actually didn't know K died at the end until I came on here and read everybody's impressions. I thought he just kind of laid back and took a rest after all the shit he just went through. A moment of peace if you will.
I've seen the first one but it was a few years back and I don't remember much. I'll have to watch it again tonight.
Saw it in 3D, Was quite impressed overall, although it is true that it gets a bit slow in the middle before Deckard is found. Gosling and later Ford bring the acting goods. Wallace was well-realized by Leto, regardless of judgment on the character itself.
Visually fascinating, capably competing with the original despite settings that required a drab environment such as where Deckard resided. Left with things to think about such as K's ultimate fate; what happens from here after the reunion; to what extent might Joi not just be following a template; and more.
A child doesn't have any choice but to love their parent, or a parent their child, unless something goes wrong. It's built-in. Does that make that kind of love less meaningful? How much of love between humans is the result of a conscious choice?
Also, Joi isn't simulating love. She's not reciting lines and cooking dinner to give the appearance that she loves K - she genuinely does and she sacrifices herself for him. When we first see her, she just seems to be a Siri-like simulation, but she grows and is fleshed out as the movie goes on. We don't get to see how much she might have grown if she hadn't been killed. The tragedy of the Joi AI is the constraints put on her by Wallace preventing her from living a full life.
Anyone else think the actress that played Deckard's daughter was really excellent in this? Part of this movie kind of reminded me of Minority Report with the central mystery, the detective himself becoming embroiled in it and the cast of eccentric supporting characters.
Wait, his entire plot was to replicate what Tyrell once achieved for ultimate 'production' abilities. He killed his latest creation because she was yet another "unsuccessful model" in the procreation attempts lineup.
How do we know he died? Looked like he was just exhausted.
I definitely got some Minority Report vibes as well but tonally I like Bladerunner more. Both are noir scifi so the similarities were probably inevitable.Anyone else think the actress that played Deckard's daughter was really excellent in this? Part of this movie kind of reminded me of Minority Report with the central mystery, the detective himself becoming embroiled in it and the cast of eccentric supporting characters.
I shared quite the opposite views you did after my viewing.
There is no Jesus messiah plot in the traditional sense. K thinks he's the chosen one, he's not. The rebels aren't the focus of the movie, they're a backdrop to add lore. Much like humans forced to slavery will eventually snap and rebel, so will Replicants, at least the ones with special memories like K/Joe had. Just another detail which goes to show maybe Replicants aren't too different from humans, implanted memories and all. Maybe the scene with the kids touching him is their way of hope that someone is here to rescue/free them.
The memory maker was the chosen one. What exactly did she do to save the people or start an uprising or anything? Nothing. This isn't your traditional hero savior goes on a journey of self-discovery before coming back to lead his/her people to victory, This wasn't really that kind of movie. For whatever victory and achievements Joe had at the end like uncovering the mystery he had just as many losses like losing his Joi, his role in the world and even his life at the end.
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Blade Runner is not doing too well at the box office.
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Blade Runner is not doing too well at the box office.
I also thought he was just exhausted and leaned back to rest.
Most people think he died though.
Wallace doesn't know that Deckard is a replicant and it's implied that he can't know because of faulty records. He says what he says partly to get his theory off his chest and partly to fuck with Deckard.
It's also implied that Rachel is special as a replicant, and that no replicant before her was able to reproduce. This implies that replicants are only different from humans in ways that Tyrell/Wallace cause them to be. It's also the heart of the miracle - that any replicant was able to reproduce when it was believed that they couldn't.
Just seems to run afoul of the eco collapse themes going on. Needing robot slave labor to sustain earth populations but giving them a massive carbon footprint while also arguing for self reproducing robots? Just feel like Wallace should've figured this out. I mean they even eat food. Surely those worms would be better spent on, you know, human people?
Yeah, my theater wasn't empty, but there were way more open seats than I would have thought for 9pm Friday at the Pasadena Arclight.
I guess Rotten Tomatoes can't predict 'em all afterall.
It's a plot hole in the sense that yes, the company wouldn't be producing replicants anymore, they would reproduce on their own. It doesn't explain how they would keep control over them, and clearly they don't already.
Escape_Goat said:Love is earned over time. Joi had no choice. It was her very reason for being to love K. Every choice she makes is predicated upon that core directive which was always false. Unless Joi could have chosen to not love K would it make her genuine but that would defeat the purpose of selling such a product.
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Blade Runner is not doing too well at the box office.