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[Loakum]

More political theater instead of actually trying to fix any of our REAL problems in the United States. Our political system is too pathetic to even watch. We're literally the laughing stock of the world.

 

[Loakum]

It's already been done on gas

I don't remember gas being that cheap =/

and yet we still give gas corporations billions in tax cuts annually.

 

[Lkr]

One simple graph will illustrate their point, the X axis is time, the Y axis is "number of executive orders since January 2009". The graph increases from 0 to 175 by 2014.

Print that on a bunch of public mailers, splash it at the top of the hour every day on Fox News for a week, mention him being friendly to immigrants and GITMO detainees, and suddenly the idea of Emperor Obama seems like a no-brainer.

No idea what I'm doing in Excel, but this might be a decent start. I have no idea how to do a line graph for a set of data like this. The Y axis would be the amount of executive orders, but what would you realistically put on the X axis?

 

[speculawyer]

It's already been done on gas

I don't remember gas being that cheap =/

Fox News apparently thinks the 2008 financial meltdown was a great thing.

 

[block tower]

Yeah I grew up in a conservative house/small town as well. The history teacher at my high school literally spent the first 15-20 minutes of class every day discussing what he heard on Limbaugh on his way to work today. My older sister tried and failed to get him fired for skipping Africa sections of the lesson plan for the stated reason that there weren't any black kids in the class. This was also by far the most loved teacher at the school. Sometimes I would argue with him and end up taking up the whole hour trying to stop him from brainwashing the entire class. Unfortunately this ended up with me being labeled a "fag" by a lot of the school because I disagreed with his stupid rants about the dangers of gay marriage.

My mom voted for Obama twice at least after being disillusioned with Republicans and the wars at the end of Bush's term, and she's pretty satisfied with him all things considered. Especially since Obamacare is saving her about $400 a month. She says she can't see herself voting Republican again in the foreseeable future, and has done a complete 180 on stuff like gay marriage, so there is hope for people to change. The problem is that a lot of conservative voters live in these isolated small town cultural enclaves and aren't exposed to other cultures or viewpoints. They mostly watch Fox, like you said, and even when they watch the regular nightly news it isn't much better, because the news doesn't do any reporting or investigating anymore. They just regurgitate the talking points of the day from both sides, then say "you decide." And then people "decide" by going to see what Fox and Limbaugh have to say about the nightly news.


No, there are Republican people. I'm just saying that more people voted Democrat while more dirt/empty land voted Republican.

so let me get this straight, you had a HISTORY teacher who refused to teach about blck centric events in America because no black kids were in your class/school? in other words your history teacher assumed only blck kids needed to know America's black history and if they did he'd be the one to enlighten them. truely insane. where did you go to scgool, or in what state?

 

[TCRS]

good. you can't circumvent the legislative body just because it's inconvenient for you.

 

[RustyNails]

good. you can't circumvent the legislative body jus because it's inconvenient for you.

Wat.

 

[linkboy]

Well, it did lead to the bloodiest war in American history. Pretty bad.

Civil War, gotcha ya (it's late where I'm at).

 

[kess]

It's already been done on gas

I don't remember gas being that cheap =/

lol

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- June 30, 2008

The national average price for a gallon of gasoline climbed to $4.086, according to a daily survey by motorist group AAA. That was up 0.7 cent from $4.079 the previous day, and eclipsed the previous mark of $4.08 set June 16.

When the economy tanked that September, gas prices dropped like a rock. I remember driving to the inauguration and thinking how cheap the trip was compared to a few months before.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

If you want to read all of Obama's Executive Order.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders

I wonder how fast this is going to be thrown out of court.

 

[Horns]

Sounds like an issue that Republicans will try to use to energize their voters in the 2014 mid-term elections.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

No idea what I'm doing in Excel, but this might be a decent start. I have no idea how to do a line graph for a set of data like this. The Y axis would be the amount of executive orders, but what would you realistically put on the X axis?

I was thinking more along the lines of (my 5 minute excel/PP mockup)

 

[RustyNails]

I was thinking more along the lines of (my 5 minute excel/PP mockup)

Can someone rename Barack Hussein Obama to B-Rock "The Islamic Shock" Superallah Hussein Obama?

 

[mcflyOS]

The attitudes on here seem to follow party loyalty, but in all honesty, Obama does overuse executive orders for things which only his party would support, and which, if polled, the majority of americans would probably not support, he has instructed his justice department to simply stop enforcing laws he does not like... any one who believes in democracy should be offended by those actions.

 

[BouncyFrag]

The attitudes on here seem to follow party loyalty, but in all honesty, Obama does overuse executive orders for things which only his party would support, and which, if polled, the majority of americans would probably not support, he has instructed his justice department to simply stop enforcing laws he does not like... any one who believes in democracy should be offended by those actions.

Nice.

 

[linkboy]

The attitudes on here seem to follow party loyalty, but in all honesty, Obama does overuse executive orders for things which only his party would support, and which, if polled, the majority of americans would probably not support, he has instructed his justice department to simply stop enforcing laws he does not like... any one who believes in democracy should be offended by those actions.

Anyone who also believe in democracy should also be offended at the Republicans acting like a child who doesn't want to play with the neighborhood kids and took his ball and went home.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

So Obama is a feckless president who hasn't gotten anything accomplished, but also an iron fisted dictator who has fundamentally changed America forever. He is the weakest president of all time yet also the most dangerous of all time.

Which is it?

Whichever the narrative dictates at the time.

The attitudes on here seem to follow party loyalty, but in all honesty, Obama does overuse executive orders for things which only his party would support, and which, if polled, the majority of americans would probably not support, he has instructed his justice department to simply stop enforcing laws he does not like... any one who believes in democracy should be offended by those actions.

Executive orders are simply the effect of the House GOP's unwillingness to participate as a rational actor. If you're offended, then at least be offended about the right thing.

 

[RustyNails]

but in all honesty, Obama does overuse executive orders for things which only his party would support, and which, if polled, the majority of americans would probably not support

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[hydragonwarrior]

Sadly people like my grandma will eat this shit up.

If possible, remind her how much taxpayer money the GOP spends whenever they take lameass actions like this.

 

[linkboy]

If possible, remind her how much taxpayer money the GOP spends whenever they take lameass actions like this.

It doesn't matter, they won't listen.

No matter what you say, it's all Obama's fault. My family is exactly the same way.

 

[DarkFlow]

If possible, remind her how much taxpayer money the GOP spends whenever they take lameass actions like this.

She won't care. She posts shit like impeach Obama, Obama is gay, shit like that almost daily.

 

[riotous]

The attitudes on here seem to follow party loyalty, but in all honesty, Obama does overuse executive orders for things which only his party would support, and which, if polled, the majority of americans would probably not support, he has instructed his justice department to simply stop enforcing laws he does not like... any one who believes in democracy should be offended by those actions.

Honestly curious; which executive orders of Obama's do you take issue with?

I've been looking through the list.. and the majority appear very benign, but I could be convinced if you could link to one's you find problematic.

 

[TCRS]

Wat.

wat wat.

 

[Horns]

The attitudes on here seem to follow party loyalty, but in all honesty, Obama does overuse executive orders for things which only his party would support, and which, if polled, the majority of americans would probably not support, he has instructed his justice department to simply stop enforcing laws he does not like... any one who believes in democracy should be offended by those actions.

Every President does this. He's accomplishing campaign promises, which the majority elected him to do. Many of those issues are supported by the majority. And, that's one long sentence there.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Honestly curious; which executive orders of Obama's do you take issue with?

I've been looking through the list.. and the majority appear very benign, but I could be convinced if you could link to one's you find problematic.

I've read up through 2010 and they all seem like standard "here's a committee to address thing" kind of decrees. But I'm willing to keep going just to see what the hubbub is about, or if this is strictly about DOMA and immigration.

Edit: There's a lot of restrictions with regards to N Korea, Syria, Iran, and Somalia so far. But nothing the GOP would be upset with.
Edit 2: 2011 is pretty straightforward. The DOMA announcement from Feb 2011 wasn't even an executive order.
Edit 3: 2012 is pretty clean. One mention of natural gas regulation
Edit 4: Nov 2013 Climate change uh oh.
Edit 5: 2014 Minimum wage for contractors I guess is kinda controversial.

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Republicans can fight tooth and nail to reestablish DOMA at the federal level but I don't think it's going to happen in our current political climate.

 

[riotous]

I've read up through 2010 and they all seem like standard "here's a committee to address thing" kind of decrees. But I'm willing to keep going just to see what the hubbub is about, or if this is strictly about DOMA and immigration.

Yeah I can only guess him declaring DOMA unconstitutional and thus unjust for the DOJ to pursue was the "law he didn't like" thing.

 

[Anoregon]

wat wat.

in the butt

 

[Aylinato]

The attitudes on here seem to follow party loyalty, but in all honesty, Obama does overuse executive orders for things which only his party would support, and which, if polled, the majority of americans would probably not support, he has instructed his justice department to simply stop enforcing laws he does not like... any one who believes in democracy should be offended by those actions.

how the hell can you overuse something when historically you are one of the least to use the measure?

 

[riotous]

how the hell can you overuse something when historically you are one of the least to use the measure?

He didn't say it generically.. he said "for things which only his party would support."

But didn't really explain what he is referring too.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

Wait so they're suing the administration for being obstructionist?

Considering they basically caused the shutdown that's kinda funny.

 

[Shouta]

So can we sue the GOP for Iraq?

 

[mclem]

Between Faux, Limbaugh and the rest of the AM dial, they've got a way to get their message out to their base in a way that Democrats don't really have, and they know how to use it.

They're basically the evil Nintendo.

 

[Phoenix]

 

[RustyNails]

Considering they basically caused the shutdown that's kinda funny.

Everyone that watches fox news believes that Obama shut down the government.

 

[WanderingWind]

So Obama is a feckless president who hasn't gotten anything accomplished, but also an iron fisted dictator who has fundamentally changed America forever. He is the weakest president of all time yet also the most dangerous of all time.

Which is it?

The blackest.

 

[Unknown One]

Americans should sue the GOP for blocking most legislation because "Obama".

 

[Chie Satonaka]

So can we sue the GOP for Iraq?

That probably wouldn't get anywhere.

I sure wish I could sue them for the 2000 bones they stole from me via the government shutdown, though.

Great way to get my vote, by the way. Stealing my money.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Executive Orders by President

As of Jan. 20, 2014:

FDR - 3,522
Truman - 907
Eisenhower - 484
JFK - 214
LBJ - 325
Nixon - 346
Ford - 169
Carter - 320
Reagan - 381
Bush (41) - 166
Clinton - 364
Bush (43) - 291
Obama - 168

Hostile Takeover.

 

[KingK]

so let me get this straight, you had a HISTORY teacher who refused to teach about blck centric events in America because no black kids were in your class/school? in other words your history teacher assumed only blck kids needed to know America's black history and if they did he'd be the one to enlighten them. truely insane. where did you go to scgool, or in what state?

Indiana.

 

[RustyNails]

Indiana.

Indiana is midwest's Florida.

 

[Jeels]

The American people's elected representatives are the ones ignoring the American people.

You keep doing your thing Obama.

 

[block tower]

Indiana.

ah i have cousins i hang with in Minneapolis every summer i like the city, that's the only part i've been in though.

 

[Open Source]

It's like ever 10 years the same shit show plays, except the parties are in reversed positions, crying about the imperial presidency, how the filibuster is a horrible undermining of democracy /a time-honored tradition that protects the minority, how military action in ____ is necessary / unnecessary, how outsized national debt is unpatriotic and bad / not a big deal and necessary for prosperity, and so on.

For example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/30/obama-would-order-review_n_115782.html

Not exactly a lawsuit, but then, Obama wasn't a congressional leader, he was a presidential candidate. And Republicans didn't seem to be so concerned about checks and balances then.

 

[120v]

i think the president has a right to circumvent congress when they willingly won't do their job just to demolish his presidency (and in turn ruin the country)

you can say "well both sides do it" but there hasn't been a congress this unproductive since over a century ago

 

[Open Source]

One simple graph will illustrate their point, the X axis is time, the Y axis is "number of executive orders since January 2009". The graph increases from 0 to 175 by 2014.

Print that on a bunch of public mailers, splash it at the top of the hour every day on Fox News for a week, mention him being friendly to immigrants and GITMO detainees, and suddenly the idea of Emperor Obama seems like a no-brainer.

Number of executive orders is a poor indicator. For example, a president could issue 1000 orders that affect only minutiae of executive branch operation. Or the president could issue one executive order that dissolves Congress. In the first case, there's 1000 orders and zero overreach. In the last case, there's 1 order and massive overreach.

i think the president has a right to circumvent congress when they willingly won't do their job just to demolish his presidency (and in turn ruin the country)

you can say "well both sides do it" but there hasn't been a congress this unproductive since over a century ago

Yeah, that whole separation of powers thing is really more of a suggestion that you can follow when the other side does what you want. I believe that "right to circumvent congress" is what...Article II of the Constitution? But who knows, that thing is like 100 years old.

 

[BSsBrolly]

It's like ever 10 years the same shit show plays, except the parties are in reversed positions, crying about the imperial presidency, how the filibuster is a horrible undermining of democracy /a time-honored tradition that protects the minority, how military action in ____ is necessary / unnecessary, how outsized national debt is unpatriotic and bad / not a big deal and necessary for prosperity, and so on.

Filibuster? Huh? That only became an issue when Obama became president. That's when it started being abused by congress. Never have we seen anything like that.

Everything else are valid points.

 

[benjipwns]

i think the president has a right to circumvent congress when they willingly won't do their job just to demolish his presidency (and in turn ruin the country)

I can't find this power in my copy of Article II.

Filibuster? Huh? That only became an issue when Obama became president. That's when it started being abused by congress. Never have we seen anything like that.

The massive spike in cloture coincides with Harry Reid becoming Majority Leader more than Obama becoming President.

 

[Open Source]

Filibuster? Huh? That only became an issue when Obama became president. That's when it started being abused by congress. Never have we seen anything like that.

Everything else are valid points.

No way.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-obama-among-flip-floppers-senates-nuclear-o/

 

[anotherVegan]

When I first saw this I thought it was theonion. Unfortunately it's true. Republicans, this is what it's come to?

 

[Derwind]

The GOP must be having one collective boenher at the thought of this. Giggidy.