A video allegedly of Amedy Coulibaly, the attacker on the Paris grocery store, has been released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=216UdhF9FIg
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Charlie Hebdo attacks - Hostage situations ended, 4 hostages reportedly killed
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scum. I hope he rots in hell.
In my mind IS leaders are sitting in an dirty underground room, giggling and high fiving each other, try to imagine how france, europe and the whole west now shake in fear. Then someone puts the television on and their faces freeze as they see how many and who are attends to support france.
DiipuSurotu
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In case people have not seen it: Thread for the Paris rally
jakonovski
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I wish I had your optimism, in my mind this gathering is the easy part, as far as politics goes.
Ah, that is only my fuzzy dreaming. They probably looked at the situation without much break and are aware about all this. I also think they can salvage a victory for themselves, since they managed to make the whole of europe jump with only four people.
Flintty
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Exactly that! Lol.
Anyhow one thing is for sure, many more people have seen the Muhammad cartoons in the last days than in the whole history of Charlie Hebdo, that's one achievement of the terrorists.
Yes, he was killed. Ahmed Merabet is his name.
He is the muslim police officer that was killed.
Amedy Coulibaly had a Go Pro strapped around his belly when he attacked the grocery store, German Bild reports, citing Joel Oualid, the brother of the store owner Patrice Oualid. Coulibaly reportedly asked his hostages to look into the camera and greet ISIS.
Patrice Oualid who was shot in the arm when he fled intends to move back to Israel with his family.
http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/gei...besitzers-spricht-exklusiv-39288894.bild.html
Patrice Oualid who was shot in the arm when he fled intends to move back to Israel with his family.
http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/gei...besitzers-spricht-exklusiv-39288894.bild.html
ComputerMKII
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I hoped he also captured footage of the RAID gunning him down.
Fantastapotamus
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Has this been posted yet?
Lassana Bathily: the Paris kosher supermarket hero
In short: Muslim supermarket worker saved at least 6 hostages by hiding them in the cold storage room. He's also an ex (?) illegal immigrant.
Lassana Bathily: the Paris kosher supermarket hero
In short: Muslim supermarket worker saved at least 6 hostages by hiding them in the cold storage room. He's also an ex (?) illegal immigrant.
ComputerMKII
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It's been posted and there's a whole thread about it: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=968921
Palette Swap
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Yeah. There's even a thread somewhere.
This makes all the "where are Muslims condemning this?" posts of the early hours look really silly.
"Police originally thought Bathily was a conspirator when he managed to escape through a goods lift. They told me, get down on the ground, hands over your head. They cuffed me and held me for an hour and a half as if I was with them, he added. Once freed he was able to give them details of the layout of the store and where people were hiding."
Really don't know how to feel about this. 1 step forward and 2 back?
Fantastapotamus
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Okay good. Sorry, just looked at the last couple of pages and couldn't find anything.
Edit: Well, no wonder I didn't find the thread. I has just one reply.
I'm just going to asume this is a joke an move on.
ComputerMKII
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By the way, President François Hollande has just talked to him on the phone:
NYCmetsfan
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A sentence or two in English would be appricated. I understand a lot of French, especially written, but I know a lot of others don't.
That articles says he spoke to the Muslim worker who helped people hide in the freezer
ComputerMKII
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lemmykoopa
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Regarding free speech. Aren't we also taught that it isn't wise to mock or provocate dangerous people? Sure, they had the right to do so, but if you are stating that radical islamists are idiots (I'm not saying they aren't) in a cartoon, how smart is this? If Vito Corleone lived in your neighbourhood would you put up a cartoon or a paper on your front window that is making fun of him?
Now these people at Charlie Hebdo were "brave" enough to not only laugh with "non-dangerous" people but also with dangerous ones. Was it worth it? They are dead now
. But not only did the people who took this risk die, people who had nothing to do with this (the two cops at Charlie Hebdo, the 4 people in the supermarket) died because of this too.
I know that for example if Ahmed the cop was my father I would feel 90% anger towards the obvious perpetrators, but would for sure feel at least some anger towards Charlie Hebdo too.
Now these people at Charlie Hebdo were "brave" enough to not only laugh with "non-dangerous" people but also with dangerous ones. Was it worth it? They are dead now
. But not only did the people who took this risk die, people who had nothing to do with this (the two cops at Charlie Hebdo, the 4 people in the supermarket) died because of this too. I know that for example if Ahmed the cop was my father I would feel 90% anger towards the obvious perpetrators, but would for sure feel at least some anger towards Charlie Hebdo too.
Called, not canned. A small typo, but a major difference.
LOL a wrinkled bedsheet, a DIN A4 printed paper showing his flag and no lights to illuminate him.
BTW was this posted already: Some scum threw molotov or similar fire accelerant on an archive building of the HAMBURGER MORGENPOST (one of the newspapers that reprinted the cartoons after the massacre)
Please, no.Regarding free speech. Aren't we also taught that it isn't wise to mock or provocate dangerous people? Sure, they had the right to do so, but if you are stating that radical islamists are idiots (I'm not saying they aren't) in a cartoon, how smart is this? If Vito Corleone lived in your neighbourhood would you put up a cartoon or a paper on your front window that is making fun of him?
Now these people at Charlie Hebdo were "brave" enough to not only laugh with "non-dangerous" people but also with dangerous ones. Was it worth it? They are dead now
I know that for example if Ahmed the cop was my father I would feel 90% anger towards the obvious perpetrators, but would for sure feel at least some anger towards Charlie Hebdo too.
What do you think political satire, or any satire is about?
jakonovski
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Regarding free speech. Aren't we also taught that it isn't wise to mock or provocate dangerous people? Sure, they had the right to do so, but if you are stating that radical islamists are idiots (I'm not saying they aren't) in a cartoon, how smart is this? If Vito Corleone lived in your neighbourhood would you put up a cartoon or a paper on your front window that is making fun of him?
Now these people at Charlie Hebdo were "brave" enough to not only laugh with "non-dangerous" people but also with dangerous ones. Was it worth it? They are dead now
I know that for example if Ahmed the cop was my father I would feel 90% anger towards the obvious perpetrators, but would for sure feel at least some anger towards Charlie Hebdo too.
That anger would be misplaced, because the reason Charlie Hebdo was in danger was because nobody else wanted to discuss the matter. The festering relations between majority and minority cultures were left alone until something broke. Everybody became Charlie only after the attacks, and they will cease to be Charlie once the news cycle moves on.
ComputerMKII
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My bad. Thanks for pointing that out.
lemmykoopa
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How constructive was a cartoon decipting the prophet as a terrorist to the whole matter? It only provoked, it brought nothing on the table.
Also this whole "i am Charlie" hype leaves a soure taste in my mouth. How much of these people would be willing to put up such a cartoon on their front window house which is situated in an urban area?
Considering some people still view a cartoon as offensive, and be willing to kill over it. The excistence of the cartoon itself is constructive.
Loving all these variants on the age-old "they brought it upon themselves"-type posts...
jakonovski
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Now I don't know the full span of what Charlie Hebdo did, but what I've seen seems pretty lame, old men making off color jokes. But that's in no way a thing that Muslims can't participate in. If society was open to it.
You need to see the bigger picture. That cartoon is one of the few ways an educated, secularized (and tolerant) society can make a dent in the veil of religion.
Religion needs to be critized like anything else, how else are we going to move forward as a species. If unchecked, religions have a habit of spreading around, especially in poverished areas. If there is no dissenting voice that reaches believers, they only hear what their church/cleric wants them to hear and as the formula of religions has been perfected over thousand of years - they grow more devout, dedicated and yes extremist in some cases.
If we don't have cartoons that shine a light on certain things, it will only get worse and worse.
Anti-women, anti-semitism, anti-homosexuality, anti-free speech. You gotta be able to hold up a mirror to people like these and tell them: Look there is society right where you live that doesn't have any of this and we like to keep it that way.
ComputerMKII
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I don't understand how even non-terrorists make such a scandal off of crude drawings. I mean, if someone made fun of whatever minority I'm a part of, or even insulted my mother or something, I wouldn't like it but I wouldn't protest and say 'You have insulted my prophet, etc.'. I'd just ignore it. Hell, I see a thousand offensive posts on 4chan every day. If I had to protest in the streets or in the media for every one of them I would never have a life.
Perhaps the best way to oppose an offensive opinion is to ignore it.
Perhaps the best way to oppose an offensive opinion is to ignore it.
jakonovski
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That's way too antagonising. The lesson is this: Islam is part of Europe. And that means we all take the good with the bad, to live together peacefully.
Have you seen the "star is born" comic? That doesn't feel like something that's meant to educate, that's just something meant to antagonize Muslims. Conversely, there was a CH artists he was fired for drawing something that was allegedly anti-semitic.The message I'm getting here is definitely not one of free speech I can assure you.
And then the courts decided he shouldn't have been fired.
vpance
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You won't understand it because you're not immersed in the religion, and it's not part of your culture.
Think of it like that episode of Star Trek TNG where Picard gets trapped on a planet with a guy from a race they never met before. He only spoke in metaphors, so Picard couldn't understand him and why they were there. Imagine if Picard was like, fuck this, threw up his hands and told Riker to start broadcasting messages mocking the race. How constructive would this really be?
I'm not Muslim, but I can imagine this may be how it feels for a normal follower of Islam.
Oh good. More victim blaming.
If Fox News HQ was bombed tomorrow, I would be outraged. I hate them, and all of the vile shit they say, but they have the right to say it because free speech is that vital to society.
Accepting cultural differences should really go both ways, you know? Especially when we're talking about the basis of the society of the country you are in: freedom of speech. The only things that should be enforced on the population of a country are the laws (including the laws that prohibits racism, hate speech and so on), not the desires of an imaginary friend, be it from whatever religion. If one wants to leave in a country where religious laws are the same as country laws, there are plenty of countries like that around the world.
Me_Marcadet
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And what about France culture and all the sacrifices and deaths French citizens from all origins have made to be part of this country?
Shouldn't this be respected too?
A paper, with very low tirage, who have more in common with a Porn mag than your regular newspaper, isn't something disrespectful or insulting. It's just a part of a country with lot of diversity and cultural legacy and that should be respected.
Context and history is very important.
It depicted the absolute contrary, but go on with the misinformation.
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Regarding free speech. Aren't we also taught that it isn't wise to mock or provocate dangerous people? Sure, they had the right to do so, but if you are stating that radical islamists are idiots (I'm not saying they aren't) in a cartoon, how smart is this? If Vito Corleone lived in your neighbourhood would you put up a cartoon or a paper on your front window that is making fun of him?
Now these people at Charlie Hebdo were "brave" enough to not only laugh with "non-dangerous" people but also with dangerous ones. Was it worth it? They are dead now
I know that for example if Ahmed the cop was my father I would feel 90% anger towards the obvious perpetrators, but would for sure feel at least some anger towards Charlie Hebdo too.
You've already been called out by a few other people, but this is pure victim-blaming nonsense. They did not deserve to die because of the cartoons. They were not "asking for it." It's imperative that society is not forced to tiptoe around crazy people for fear of what they might do. Doing so only gives more power and control to the crazy people.
Police chief investigator on Charlie Hebdo case commits suicide
Couldn't find it on normal news sites but here's the original French source
How's the French source?
Couldn't find it on normal news sites but here's the original French source
How's the French source?
ComputerMKII
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Nice source bro
Also, police officers kill themselves at any time in the year, it's not even that rare. Also, he was not in charge of the whole Charlie Hebdo affair. Just one of the many officers on the case.
I read some more from that site and changed the source a little while ago, but there aren't many to choose from - not many sites are reporting it.
It's why I asked about the French source.
ComputerMKII
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There is no story to this. It's just a personal tragedy.
Funky Papa
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It's just bullshit that is being spun by conspiranoic sites all over the world (and this one even points to a malware WhatsApp download if you visit it on mobile, so that's even more wonderful). That man was just one of the many officers involved in the case, not the lead nor anything remotely close to that.
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