Messofanego
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David Cross is no method actor, the fuck is he doing rehearsing in a hotel bar with other crew members not aware of it? Jesus, just make a decent apology instead of justifying the bullshit.
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Charlyne Yi accuses David Cross of being racist toward her
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Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
He was pretty clearly referring to Rashomon.
MooseKnuckles
Banned
Why do people find it so hard to apologise without being assholes about it?
If he genuinely didn't remember the interaction, there's a way to deal with that tactfully, and #Rashomon isn't it. And if a joke goes too far you can issue a mea culpa in a way that hopefully mitigates the pain you've caused while also reinforcing what your sincerely held beliefs are.
Mistakes and slip ups don't define your character, but reacting to criticism by being a defensive prick sure doesn't reflect well.
If he genuinely didn't remember the interaction, there's a way to deal with that tactfully, and #Rashomon isn't it. And if a joke goes too far you can issue a mea culpa in a way that hopefully mitigates the pain you've caused while also reinforcing what your sincerely held beliefs are.
Mistakes and slip ups don't define your character, but reacting to criticism by being a defensive prick sure doesn't reflect well.
AtomskEater
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The Rashomon tag was a stupid move. Not just because it's a reference to Asian media when he's accused of making generic racist comments about different Asian cultures. The movie is about unreliable narrators, yeah, but they weren't accidentally misremembering some far off event so much as they were all lying or omitting details to make themselves look better.
Those recent tweets... jeez. "I said some offensive things a while back, I didn't think it was a big deal at the time but I've come to realize how hurtful it was. I'm sorry, and I'll strive to be a better person." Much less typing that the word vomit he put out, and it at least would sound like he learned something.
Those recent tweets... jeez. "I said some offensive things a while back, I didn't think it was a big deal at the time but I've come to realize how hurtful it was. I'm sorry, and I'll strive to be a better person." Much less typing that the word vomit he put out, and it at least would sound like he learned something.
shit is contextual. it's a bad fucking look.
'i remember things differently, i'll express that in a hashtag' is fine if it's like, oh, i ate chips yesterday, no i think you had nuggets, #rashomon. When it's 'you were a racist fuckwit' just tossing that in there at the end is pretty damn pithy. Not even getting into the racial element which cross should have realised
Spaced Harrier
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Have you ever met anyone on strong drugs like heroin?
People get fucking weird man.
Here's a story about Cross forgetting an in joke between him and Patton Oswalt and taking it as an insult.
https://www.stereogum.com/7615/patton_oswalts_open_letter_to_david_cross_it_was_j/news/
not psycho
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Ha. Pretty sure this is it.
Also, a lot of people in this thread need to see Rashomon.
People are severely underestimating the stature of the film. In an actual situation where multiple people remembered and interpreted an event in different ways due to their perspectives, it wouldn't be a reference, it would be the reference. Even if it wasn't explicitly brought up everyone (who had seen the movie) would think of it.
Now, he didn't have to make it explicit, so it might very well be related to her being Asian. But rather than being an insult, I think it would come across more like "I watch Kurosawa! I can't be racist against Asians!" (which of course is absurd). Like someone working their appreciation of a Black artist into the conversation when caught doing something racist toward a Black person. "I can't be racist, I love Spike Lee films!"
Zvonimir Boban
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lol what a twat.
"I don't remember doing that so her memory is probably faulty. People remember things differently so nobody should believe what Charlyne is saying...no wait I've got it. My mate never said anything about it so how could I be expected to know that going 'Ching Chong' would offend anybody? Yeah, that's gotta be it. In conclusion, I'm not going to apologise and fuck all of you snowflakes. I hope this happens to all of you and none of you will react in nearly as classy a manner as this because you're all far more racist than I am so go fuck yourselves"
Apologies are a sign of weakness and Cross seems to be the "full of himself" type that doesn't want to show that he's weak. It seems to be very common in western countries.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
So say "I genuinely don't remember, probably because I was probably off my tits but that's no excuse. I'm truly, deeply sorry for saying that and I'm trying to be a better person"
Instead, Cross went down the 'deny, gaslight, then top it off with a nice bit of indignation' route.
Cross doesn't give a fuck that he hurt someone so much that they still remember it a decade later, he's just annoyed that people think he might be racist. He was the one being racist and he's turned it around and made it all about him being bullied by mean people on the internet.
HisImperialMajesty
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A lot of white people forget that racism against Asians also exist. They're a "model minority" after all. Happens all the time, even to David Cross I guess.
Glass Rebel
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Didn't expect David Cross to be a dumber person than Tobias. What a shitty thing to do.
SapientWolf
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Nah, he's explaining the usage of rashomon. besada just made a post about people playing gotcha. Or maybe I'm too tired to catch the sarcasm.
I don't think David Cross is dumb enough to intentionally cap an apologetic post with a damning racist zinger. He's backpeddling like a unicyclist right now.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Made a huge mistake
Maybe in America. I would say racism against Asians is something white people in Australia are very familiar with!
GhostTrick
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I mean the "I remember it differently" just sounds like "I was joking you took it the wrong way".
I mean, seriously ? Ching chong karate ? Fuck this dude.
I'd say it's pretty much casual in Europe. And unfortunately it's also pretty much accepted.
I mean, seriously ? Ching chong karate ? Fuck this dude.
I'd say it's pretty much casual in Europe. And unfortunately it's also pretty much accepted.
It says he called him to ask about his beliefs, hardly what you're presenting it as.
Jeffolation
Banned
Watch the movie.
MooseKnuckles
Banned
Sorry, that was rhetorical - it just baffles me how completely unwilling people can be to show some humility. A willingness to accept fault and improve oneself is a positive trait, being pigheaded and stubborn is not.
Oh they don't forget; they just don't give a shit.
Look at how many posts are about how #Rashomon was just some innocuous reference as if Cross didn't purposely put it there as a final insult. It doesn't matter if he's racist in his immutable soul or if he did it to be edgy.
Chairmanchuck
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I think PDP was just doing a character.
#DerUntergang
#DerUntergang
How do you know this?
Glass Rebel
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GoutPatrol
Forgotten in his cell
How many times do you see people actually apologize on GAF?
IggyChooChoo
Member
I vaguely remember him discussing going to a crack house and smoking crack before a show once. Might have been on Maron or Pete Holmes's podcasts.
Sorry
old manatee
Banned
Nah it wasn't just the hashtag. That whole thing is a textbook non-apology and the hashtag of an Asian movie is just the cherry on top.
I agree with DeathyBoy:
I could forgive him for making bad jokes about stereotypes in the moment that he regrets later, because that's a pretty common and forgiveable transgression in my opinion. But taking Cross's letter at face value he doesn't want to be forgiven for that because he thinks Charlyne Yi is just an unreliable narrator from an old Asian film. didn't even spell her name right.
#Arrested Development
Well, I like David Cross, so I feel this could have been a private matter instead of a public shaming. We need more awareness towards casual racism... but he's a professional comedian, not the best person to use to teach that lesson. Since he deflected it with his apology (not a racist bully, don't remember saying that), I don't feel like anything positive came from this. She just comes off as sensitive, which sucks because I hate casual racism and it should be called out.
I can't speak on the hashtag thing. Japanese film reference, used accurately, does not seem like racism. Not quite sure of his intent though. Whole situation is disappointing.
I can't speak on the hashtag thing. Japanese film reference, used accurately, does not seem like racism. Not quite sure of his intent though. Whole situation is disappointing.
Discotheque
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That rashomon hashtag lmao. Was not expecting that
Glass Rebel
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Nothing casual about the racism she outlined.
Prime crotch
Banned
His response is a bunch of horseshit, a bunch of what ifs and even in an hypothetical scenario he doesn't apologize.
This is satire, right?
This mentality enables the "casual racism" (It wasn't casual) to hurt as many people as possible by sweeping it under the rug and keeps people from confronting it. You should be more critical of celebrities you like, not less.
I hope 2017/2018 will be known as the great unmasking when it comes to exposing every last bit of racist/sexist/abusive fuckery every minority has had to suffer for decades in silence.
let.it.all.out
David Cross is ABSOLUTELY dumb enough to do a racist impersonation as a bit, and he needs to eat some shit for this in all likelihood, as you pointed out I was only "defending" the idea that "Rashomon" is used as a descriptor for unreliable (not untruthful) narrators. The whole point of Rashomon is that none of the perspectives is actually false.
I sort of doubt David Cross is racist (although the milkshake duck thread makes fools of us every day), but I could absolutely see him doing something racist either thoughtlessly, stupidly or even in some attempt at edgelordery.
Oh come on.
cartographer
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So because you like Cross, he should not have had his actions mentioned publicly and you view Yi as being too sensitive or something?
You reasoned through all that and thought, yup, makes sense?
ElectricBlanketFire
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Man, I'm really disappointed in him about this whole thing.
I actually really appreciate the honesty in this post. There are lots of people here essentially arguing I like David Cross so I dont think this should count, even though Im uncomfortable with it and dont like racism. Most of them lie about their real motivations. This guy just comes out and says it.
BTW, Cross should realize that if he's going to invoke Rashomon, then that makes her story true - that she witnessed/experienced his racism just as she described. If you're going to invoke that analogy then you also have to accept that she was right, that she WAS offended by racism, and that should have made his apology unreserved:
"I screwed up and said something horribly racist and while that may not have been my intention, that's what I did and I have to do better."
"I screwed up and said something horribly racist and while that may not have been my intention, that's what I did and I have to do better."
Spyder_Monkey
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He should see a therapist and maybe get someone to do an analysis of himself. If only there was a person who could do both.
SillyEskimo
Member
He apologized to her privately. Thats the only apology that matters IMO and its merit can only be judged by the offended party. Cross doesnt owe anyone else a damn thing.
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