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CliffyB on Saints Row: Lose the gimps and dildos to beat GTA
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Cliffy B isn't lashing out at Saints Row...he's lashing out...at himself.
Why is because the driving takes some getting used to, at least for me it did. It says something about the game that I still play online GTA races because I dig the way the cars handle.
Krauser Kat
Member
Let GTA be the michael man game and saints row be the action movie spoof with competent fx. GTA needs to trim out allllll the useless shit, so acting like bay or Michael mann movie would probably be good for them especially if the length was only about 6 hours. gives us 40 hours of content but not 40 hours of overwrought storyline bloated with shit.
R
Retro_
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Yeah I figured
because I haven't even played the game yet but when I think of Saint's Row I can almost perfectly picture its floppy purple physics lol
So yeah Bleszinski's comments definitely come off as misguided advice since I don't think they're struggling to deal with this identity
Didn't Cliff direct the three Gears of Wars? I think that gives him lots of credibility. This is directed at the fellow that said Cliff should direct a game of note or keep his mouth shut. Gears is pretty noteworthy. Maybe it's not for you but it's a great third-person shooter with buttery smooth, beautiful controls.
McBradders
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The offensive part of his off base wishes are turning it into the dry kind of shit GTA IV is being derided for. People clutching at the dildo quote have missed the point, somewhat, but it is rather systematic of Cliffy B's evaluation of the game and, has already been said in the thread, is a problem of the marketing department and not the game itself.
Jest Chillin
Member
But this supports Cliffy B's point in that GTA is considered the serious game and there's plenty of room for SR to overtake it if they put the effort in. Especially considering that the mechanics are already superior.
Does SR have to sell more units to "beat" GTA? We have a huge thread here on GAF that suggests that Xenoblade beats every Final Fantasy put out this Gen and we know Xenoblade didn't come close to FF numbers.
Who are these "GTA players?" I happen to enjoy both series; just prefer GTA because of the realistic world it depicts and the deep MP.
outunderthestars
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Why would Saints Row get rid of the humor that distinguishes them from GTA? Then they'd just be another GTA clone?
And is the guy who made Gears of War talking about games that are embarrassing to be seen playing? That is rich.
And is the guy who made Gears of War talking about games that are embarrassing to be seen playing? That is rich.
Zen_Arcade
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Well it does take some getting used to. But just because something takes adjustment doesn't mean its difficult. I think the reason I needed to adjust is because I didn't feel like it controlled well. Once I realized how it worked it wasn't hard to do, but I also didn't ever end up having fun doing it.
But hey, its all opinions man. No one is right, its just preferences.
Same.Even as "serious" as some people here think GTAIV is we don't have an open world serious game at the moment and i hope Watchdogs truely deliverers.
DangerStepp
Member
It's tricky because I had the same point of view before actually playing SR3.
On the other hand, the silly objects are within the vein of the humor the game embraces.
It's the equivalent of watching Meatballs, Caddyshack, or a Rodney Dangerfield movie of that ilk and ridiculing the crude jokes and nudity.
On the other hand, the silly objects are within the vein of the humor the game embraces.
It's the equivalent of watching Meatballs, Caddyshack, or a Rodney Dangerfield movie of that ilk and ridiculing the crude jokes and nudity.
He did say "go for that Michael Mann/Collateral/Heat style", though.
Which is EXACTLY what R* has been doing since forever.
Jest Chillin
Member
What is CliffyB's definition of beat? Is there a tweet that wasn't posted that specifies he means Units moved?
Phonomezer
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Midnight Blue.
OrbitingCow
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For writing and content? Are you baked? GoW has to be some of the worst dialogue known to man. It's certainly not even better than a random dildo I can tell you that much.
That is what I was trying to say originally.
Zen_Arcade said:
Fair enough.
Zen_Arcade said:
Yep; pretty much.
Well, I thought that SR3 was a step back in the series. I thought the city was bland and boring, which is no good in an open world title like this. I missed Freckle Bitches, smoking and drinking and the toned down storyline.
Ah I see we're talking exclusively about writing?
It was mediocre but worst dialogue seems like hyperbole.
I just didn't like the whole aggressive "cliffy b should shut the the fuck up" when he is responsible for some of the best games of this gen IMO, though now I do get you're just talking about his writing.
I think Gears's tone and story was serious and gritty enough to be a step above dildos though.
Phonomezer
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Gears 3 is awesome tho.
hes handsome as fuck
OrbitingCow
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IDK maybe Cliff has an entirely different point on how things should be perceived, but unless his own games even remotely extend beyond that line of ridiculous fantasy, whether he wrote it or not, he has no business critiquing anything anybody else does in this same line.
Neuromancer
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I could stand to lose that stuff, it wouldn't matter to me too much. In retrospect SR3 may have overdone it a bit. But cutting out the dildos and the purple suits would not somehow propel the SR series to better sales than GTA; its just not even a realistic possibility.
OrbitingCow
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I know right. My gas-powered dildo has been going since this thread began.
I don't think any GTA game pretends to be high art,well unless you compare it to Saints Row then it's The Garden of Earthly Delights in video game form.And i don't see what's wrong with a mission of nico going after a homophobe.Saint Row fans are the only ones trying to force this Family Guy branded humor on everyone.
I believe this is what the kids call doing it wrong.
Yeah but how do you go from one of the best multiplayer games of this generation to one of the shittiest with gears 2? It's utterly baffling to me. How the fuck can you screw something up so badly.
derExperte
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Wasn't one of the GTA4 AddOns "that game with the penis"?
Dark Octave
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I wonder where he's at?
He normally would have chimed in by now.
He normally would have chimed in by now.
Gears 3 MP is a piece of shit.
I disagree with pretty much everything he said, but I also think a lot of people in this thread are selling Cliff short. The man, or at least the games that he has been the face of, have been very influential to the industry. Having said that, the Saints Row franchise absolutely does NOT need to tone itself down and compete directly with GTA or GTA clones at large. There is a place for the juvenile type of humor that SR3 brings to the table, and in fact GTA occupied that space prior to 4. I also don't think that grown people need to be embarrassed about enjoying that kind of humor, so long as it is executed well.
McBradders
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Sorry, what?
This is silly. Nobody is saying you have to like Saints Row or its humor. We're just saying we, who do, do not want our game to change its tone. We have Sleeping Dogs, Grand Theft Auto, and probably some others already. We want Saints Row to stay Saints row.
If Cliffy or anyone thinks the rest of the game is so well done to begin with, but is being held back by the silliness. Then maybe he should ask those other games to improve on their own elements to be on par with Saints.
Much as I love GTA 4, this bit bothered me some. Not because of homosexuality or anything like that, but more than it seemed like a lazy, forced attempt compared to everything else. My impression has always been Rockstar wasn't entirely confident how to handle it and they just sort of went with the easy route.
The Lamonster
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I agree with him. That kind of unfunny "comedy" is what made me avoid the series until I kept hearing all the buzz about The Third. Now it's one of my favorite games ever, but the "goofy for the sake of being goofy" stuff should be cut for #4.
So a group of fans telling people to let Saints Row be what it is and to not change the tone are forcing their humor on everyone? Wow I didn't know Saints Row fans were so powerful a group.
VeryGooster
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How exactly is this on the developers or on the game itself? Why did he all of a sudden decide to have something vocal to say about this franchise when the third game has been out for almost two years and the fate of the fourth is up in the air (is it?).
JustAnotherOtaku
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The dildo is one of the last things I remember when thinking back on Saints Row 3 in all honesty.
Phonomezer
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Can't really comment on either, I was referring to the SP specifically. Haven't played GeOW 2 MP and only played the GeOW 3 MP beta... haven't even tried horde mode! :/