I think this is the biggest problem. If anyone other than Cliff B said this this thread would be a lot less crazy.
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CliffyB on Saints Row: Lose the gimps and dildos to beat GTA
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I think this is the biggest problem. If anyone other than Cliff B said this this thread would be a lot less crazy.
OrbitingCow
Banned
I'm not talking about this subject on some open twitter line that makes GAF headlines but nice try and no thanks. And if I had, or had something to tell you about, I wouldn't be telling you here on GAF or twitter anyway.
For a lot of people those mechanics felt better in Sleeping Dogs. I agree with you though, the driving part especially.
Omegasquash
Member
Wait...isn't Cliffy still looking for a job?
The driving in GTAIV took some time to master but once you did it controlled exactly how you expected that particular car to control.
saltinekracka
Member
Totally agree. The whole reason I never gave this game a chance is because of the "run around with dildos" image they made for it. I may still pick it up eventually, but it's such a turn off to see this kind of crap in a game.
Baconsammy
Banned
Epic has one less dildo, that's for sure. JOKES! I actually agree with him. I'm not sure he's right that ultimate success for SR came down to the infantile jokes. It's what attracted me to the series. He's definitely right that the gameplay mechanics own GTA's. It's simply a more fun experience to me. Now look at Sleeping Dogs. No dildos. It's gritty. I doubt it sold as well as SR did. It's great though.
I doubt he's looking. Deciding on which job to take (or create) is more like it.
I doubt he's looking. Deciding on which job to take (or create) is more like it.
Dude.
One is real life with real people, all acting like corporate shills on tv, and saying they represent the Industry and the fans, all while doing moronic stuff written and designed by a committee of soulless marketing drones that spend more time on facebook than with a controller in their hands.
The other is a video game designed for those of us who want a completely whacky absurd, nonsensical, sandbox without any pretentious notions of meeting some ostensible moral standard that someone else dreamed up.
OrbitingCow
Banned
Period.
No i want them to be 100% different in tone.
Give me Saint's Row with the most outlandish stupid shit ever.
Give me serious as fuck GTA without the bullshit jetpack/helicopter/rocket launcher bullshit people seem to love even though it sucks.
The closer both games go towards the middle the worse off they are in quality.
Give me Saint's Row with the most outlandish stupid shit ever.
Give me serious as fuck GTA without the bullshit jetpack/helicopter/rocket launcher bullshit people seem to love even though it sucks.
The closer both games go towards the middle the worse off they are in quality.
It is very fashionable to hate on GTAIV and subsequently sucking off Sleeping Dogs around here; I get that and will be in the minority with how I feel about both games.
And we can probably find the same people who dismissed bulletstorm as shit writing defending saints row writing in this thread.
OrbitingCow
Banned
Doubt it.
I mean I am sorry but this is like the Farrelly brothers complaining, or giving advice, to the people who made American Pie. Seriously, what the fuck is the point? Dildo or no dildo this game is not selling any better.
I'll defend both.
Bulletstorm has some of the best writing you'll find in a shooter.
Sucks people dismissed it off the demo.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I agree witrh him that we need something like Michael Mann movies. But I fear not a single developer could do it.
Meanwhile a game like Saint's Row is just that stupid, crazy fun. There's place in films for that and there's place for it on games.
Meanwhile a game like Saint's Row is just that stupid, crazy fun. There's place in films for that and there's place for it on games.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Just because you eventually learn how to control a car that drives poorly doesn't mean the driving is good. It just means you learned how to control a badly designed gameplay aspect. I didn't find it difficult to control the driving in GTA, its not a question of learning curve or difficulty, its a question of it being well designed in the first place. Which I don't think it is.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
I like saints row more than gta now. Don't change SR!! Be who you be! Haha
Dark Octave
Banned
Yeah, that is true.
My inlaws were in town visiting when I was playing that game (borrowed it from a friend with very short arms so it was then or never).
Not that I personally had a problem with the dialogue because I didn't, but what an impression it made.
Ken Masters
Banned
http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/25/bleszinski-on-saints-row-lose-the-gimps-and-dildos-to-beat-gta/
They have several other tweets by him on the subject. But I think those above give a good idea of where he's coming from.
agree with everything he said, especially the Michael Mann/Heat part
OrbitingCow
Banned
My god that is such bull and makes gaming look retarded. For a shooter? Not even and I am not even sure what standards have been set if any.
Somehow I don't believe that, but obviously we aren't getting anywhere with this.
NinjaBoiX
Member
What are chodes?
Also, if it's fun to play, and with the amount of variety on offer, how does it become lame after 10 minutes?
This post is so confusing.
I think my problem is that he's basically saying "If you want Saints Row to sell better, make it not Saints Row." which might be a correct statement, but isn't necessarily something I want to see. It's not just the dildo--SR2 had that entire minigame centered around spraying the city with raw sewage. It reminds me of the Zero Punctuation review of SR2 that basically equates the main character to a comic-book villain. It is silly and fun and, yes, the humor is kind of raunchy and not something you'd want to play in front of people who don't find vulgar stuff funny, but that's what gives it its identity. Make a new game to be the serious Michael Mann movie, see if people want to buy it, but that sounds more like GTA than Saints Row.
I just don't want to see Saints Row turn into another Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider New Version could end up being a decent game for all I know, but it's not going to be the kind of game that originally gave the Tomb Raider series its identity.
I just don't want to see Saints Row turn into another Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider New Version could end up being a decent game for all I know, but it's not going to be the kind of game that originally gave the Tomb Raider series its identity.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I don't get your meaning.
Hot Coldman
Banned
See, that was the only part of this (besides the hypocrisy of his statements about industry perception) that I flat-out disagreed with. The Volition of today have never shown any sign at being adept at pulling off a "serious" tone- look at Red Faction Armageddon- so why make them go down a road they have no business going down?
Besides, Rockstar kinda has a lid on the whole "being like movies" thing.
I'm not saying Bulletstorm is some crown achievement, but compared to CoD and the ilk it's a brilliant satire of shooting games. Anyone who looks beyond the dicktits will realize the game knows exactly what it's doing and poking fun at.
A penis that's wider than it's own length. I don't know how Saints Row fits that definition though.
Yeah, Cliff has a great sense of humor. He must be joking.
Saints row needs a lot of more to beat GTA, actually they really need to reinvent the franchise from scratch not to beat GTA (this will never happen, obviously) , just to make the comparison a bit less embarrassing than now is for SR team.
Write GTA and SR in the same phrase is a bad dildo.
gutterboy44
Member
I'd be far more embarrassed with my wife if she thought I thought guns with chainsaws on them were cool than me possibly finding a dildo in a game humorous.
Yeah, fuck different tastes, let's get all the games boiled down to the same tan colored dude bro space marine shooter crap.
Yeah, fuck different tastes, let's get all the games boiled down to the same tan colored dude bro space marine shooter crap.
OrbitingCow
Banned
I can agree with that but the whole premise that he is arguing for a crazy cartoony game to become some serious film when he has done nothing even remotely of the sort is patently preposterous.
Again, it's like the Farrelly brothers trying to tell some dude making a comedy that he needs to be Scorsese. DOES NOT COMPUTE.
Yet somehow I put 90+ hours into the PC version, 40+ into the PS3 version and then bought the missus a copy for the 360 that she's put 30-odd hours into.
We must like chodes. Whatever they are.
I believe it. I've never understood the criticism of the driving in GTA4, it's fucking awesome.
For open world driving physics / handling, I'd say it goes: GTA4>>>SR3>>>>>>>>>>>Sleeping Dogs. It's just a shame everything else in GTA4 was so boring. SR3 & Sleeping Dogs rock though.
Tokyo Rain
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Hargenx
Member
This game...
POWER!!!
I NEED A HERO!!!
THIS DAMN GAME!!!
Play as "Mega man" bring tears of joy at my hurtful heart, thanks THQ you deserved better luck...
POWER!!!
I NEED A HERO!!!
THIS DAMN GAME!!!
Play as "Mega man" bring tears of joy at my hurtful heart, thanks THQ you deserved better luck...
The Albatross
Member
He's right. You can keep the insane action, the great pacing, and over the top everything, but lose the immature stuff like swearing for the sake of swearing, gimp suits, and dildos. GTA:SA did that almost 10 years ago, late in the game, for a single mission, and that was it. That is what made it unique. When you throw that sort of immature "humor" into the game for ~5 hours of a 20 hour game, it gets tired fast.
Although.. Cliff could probably take some of his own advice. Got very tired of Bulletstorm and it's gratuitous and stupid use of swears just to seem edgier.
Although.. Cliff could probably take some of his own advice. Got very tired of Bulletstorm and it's gratuitous and stupid use of swears just to seem edgier.
Setre
Member
I like this but let's go a step further. When it rains in game make the rain be dildos. The dildos will of course knock people down if they get hit plus everyone in game should be able to pick them up. That way random NPCs will attack each other with the dildos.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
It should still be in the game I think
but I'm not sure it should show up in marketing
If a game is known as "that game with the dildo", I think that's probably due in part to how the game was advertised to consumers
CliffyB addressing studios on twitter and presenting his personal views as advice for them is a pretty annoying though.
but I'm not sure it should show up in marketing
If a game is known as "that game with the dildo", I think that's probably due in part to how the game was advertised to consumers
CliffyB addressing studios on twitter and presenting his personal views as advice for them is a pretty annoying though.
Hot Coldman
Banned
In a world where Just Cause 2 exists, I can't take complaints about crappy driving physics in any other open-world game seriously. :lol
NinjaBoiX
Member
BOSS.
VGChampion
Member
I agree with him. If they ditched that stuff I personally would enjoy the game more. But unlike him, I don't find it funny. /stickler
OrbitingCow
Banned
You could say this about all videogames, and all of his at that. Oh wait, he had intense chainsaw murder to break up the abso-fucking-lutely obnoxious dialogue. PASS.
I meant that I don't think you "didn't find it difficult to drive in GTA IV."
Dark Octave
Banned
Damn...
Yeah, pretty much.
I'm color blind. That's not quite purple is it?
Between this and the dildo at his wedding, I'm having a hard time believing that Cliffy WOULDN'T make SR3 exactly as it is today. Seems right up his alley both in style and humor. I don't get it.
OrbitingCow
Banned
MEGA DOUCHE.
It's not necessary to address a foregone conclusion.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I got that part, the part I don't get is why you'd assume that.
Baconsammy
Banned
The publishers went out of their way to make it all about the dildo. The promotional materials they sent all the major media outlets included a purple dildo bat. So yep, if the game is perceived as "That dildo game", it's intentional.