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Clint Hocking leaves LucasArts (Update: Now At Valve)
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EmCeeGramr
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remember that puzzle in hl2: episode 2 where you had to roll a grenade
what if there was a hill involved
what if there was a hill involved
Linear story driven FPS games. Derrick likes Crysis and STALKER type games, IIRC.
Neuromancer
Member
I know what he's talking about. Valve style games are linear, they try to be clever, and they have a certain not entirely pleasant look to them. HL2, L4D, Portal...
Eh, if you say so...
I guess it takes all kinds to make a GAF.
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I'm hyped for him.
metalslimer
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On max settings I thought Portal 2 and HL2 are beautiful.
It's not even that, their single player games just bore me and they don't make the kind of multiplayer games that I will play (TF2, L4D, counterstrike) since I don't do the whole PC style online FPS. I don't really know how to explain in detail because I never really thought about it in depth. I just know I don't like them.
HL and Portal are their only linear story driven games and Portal isnt an FPS.
Calavera520
Member
this is great news. Far Cry 2 is great. If you disagree, whatever. You didn't get it. hehe..
the respawning checkpoints were a bunch of horseshit though. Chaos Theory, on the other hand, is a perfectly honed game.
the respawning checkpoints were a bunch of horseshit though. Chaos Theory, on the other hand, is a perfectly honed game.
JasonUresti
Member
A good place for him. Valve structure means his good ideas will be used, at the same time protecting him from being in charge of everything and having complete horseshit like respawning checkpoint guards and magically appearing cars that you can never out run sneaking into the game.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Eh? The art direction in all three of those is fantastic.
Could also mean his good ideas get focus tested into the ground.
Art direction goes a long way for making up for weak graphics. Same can be said for weak art direction too.
I am still puzzled how anyone could call valve samey in the past 10 years. L4D, TF2 and Portal all do great things with Source.
Derrick01 said:
True I mean just look at them. I bet no one can even tell these are different products.
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I'm not sure Valve is the place to go to avoid user testing.
Neuromancer
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Different strokes for different folks I suppose. TF2 has a nice style, I'll give you that.
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Deleted member 30609
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what's this angular graphics thing?
I think that's what he was implying.TI'm not sure Valve is the place to go to avoid user testing.
Their FPS games pretty much all play and feel the exact same to me and it's not the kind of style I like, not that I'm a huge FPS guy to begin with or anything. I just don't see anything special in games like HL2 and Portal 2 where everyone else seems to see gaming's mona lisa.
Read this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412938
It's quite amazing.
I can understand someone not liking Valve's games, but I am having trouble seeing how Portal 2 and Half-Life 2 play the same. I mean, in one of them you don't even shoot enemies.
I blame Garry's Mod for the Source Engine=unpleasant connotation.
This is pretty cool news for Clint, though. Loved me some Far Cry 2.
I don't understand your hate for anything Valve. They have made truly classic games, this is the second thread now you are just laying out your disdain for Valve, what happened bro?
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Deleted member 30609
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I quickly skimmed through one in every ten pages. Looked like an amazing one. I'm not sure how I missed it.
No but it feels like the same game, like it could have been a HL2 expansion. It controls and moves very similarly.
LobLob said:
I still love Steam! But I never claimed to like Valve games, the topic just never came up before I don't think.
Far Cry 2 was a great idea, bad execution.
If he can keep the great idea part, we'll be good.
Speaking of open world possibilities. Every time I play Dayz I keep thinking Valve will buy the rights, and make L4D3 a open world survival horror version in a full scale version of a major metropolis...
If he can keep the great idea part, we'll be good.
Speaking of open world possibilities. Every time I play Dayz I keep thinking Valve will buy the rights, and make L4D3 a open world survival horror version in a full scale version of a major metropolis...
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Deleted member 30609
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Alien Swarm. It's a free co-op game on Steam.
That makes no sense at all. How does how the movement feel of things make them a similar game? HL2 and Portal 2 couldn't be any more different.
EmCeeGramr
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I can sorta see HL2 and L4D "feeling" the same, but TF2? The game where the only thing close to an assault rifle is the weakest, most unused weapon in the game?
JehutyRunner
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Ho hum. When I thought where he might go next, Valve was not one of the candidates I had in mind.
Wonder how this will turn out.
Wonder how this will turn out.
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Deleted member 30609
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he's probably talking about the character movement speed and inertia coupled with complete lack of mouse acceleration?
Okay, so moving away from the "playing the same" complaint for a moment, the most logical criticism to me would be that Valve these days tends to put a relatively small amount of people (~40-60) on any given project, and their tool chain and loading structure is pretty terrible, so it is unlikely they're going to ever make an open world title or something that needs a ton of content.
If your primary interest in Clint Hocking was Far Cry 2, then yes, it is pretty unlikely that they will be making anything like that, at least based on their outward signs so far.
If your primary interest in Clint Hocking was Far Cry 2, then yes, it is pretty unlikely that they will be making anything like that, at least based on their outward signs so far.
The same thing every other Valve employee does, random stuff they are good at and somehow comes together to make good video games and services.
Not sure what Clint's expertise are in, but maybe he can help push the insensitive to get better dynamic loading into the source engine.
That game's just too fast for me to play with a mouse and keyboard. I don't like those fast PC shooters.
Though we also didnt think Valve would ever go for top down games either...
Nobody's perfect.
Neuromancer
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I wonder how much of an effect he had on anything at Lucasarts. Seems he wasn't there long.
I feel those don't have the same resource requirements though. It's not unusual for a smaller team to make a top down game or an RTS, but it is very unusual for a smaller team to make a well polished open world title.
Something in the vein of Splinter Cell, were we to look solely at what Hocking has done in the past, would seem much more attainable.
Glass Rebel
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Judging by the job posting he once linked to, he was working on an Open World Star Wars RPG that LucasArts has since stopped hiring for (I think it's canceled).