Most likely pressure from AMD.
Going forward, are X99 boards no longer going to be used then?
I've been having issue where my X99 board loses track of 2 of my DIMMs.
Seems like a good time to upgrade and pass my 5820k on to my kids.
It must be just a coincidence that it has two more cores than AMD's thread ripper. Intel seems to be feeling the pressure now that AMD is somewhat competitive again. It'll be interesting to see if Intel suddenly finds a greater than 10% IPC improvement with the next CPU cycle.
Things to watch for in Intel lineup in the coming months/years:
- Core count: It's great if Intel matches and exceeds AMD's offerings. But unlike AMD's Zen cores scaling upward through MCM packages Intel so far custom made many of the bigger core designs, taking more time to apply a given generation across all of their lineup. So the crucial part is how long it takes for Intel to offer higher core counts with their latest design.
Didn't know it will be available as HEDT chip. Also where is the newer Kaby Lake version of both of those?Skylake EP is a 32 cores die.
MacBooks use the laptop CPU series, there's no way they'll use the Skylake-X series.Will they be making these for MacBooks.
I doubt that they'll be able to make the TDP work in a laptop formfactor.Will they be making these for MacBooks.
New Xeon chips are coming in July - August time frame from my understanding. I don't think it will be Kaby Lake though.Didn't know it will be available as HEDT chip. Also where is the newer Kaby Lake version of both of those?
that btc board could be a fun SSD RAID boardhttps://videocardz.com/press-release/asrock-announces-x299-and-am4-mini-itx-motherboards
Seems like ASRock decided that might as well put out actual PR. X299 is now a thing.
https://videocardz.com/press-release/asrock-announces-x299-and-am4-mini-itx-motherboards
Seems like ASRock decided that might as well put out actual PR. X299 is now a thing.
I was snarky since dr_rus didn't bother to read the quote beyond the first sentence.New Xeon chips are coming in July - August time frame from my understanding. I don't think it will be Kaby Lake though.
It's clear that Intel has the know-how and manufacturing experience to make higher count chips from their server efforts. The question was always of need and competition in more consumer oriented markets. Now that Zen is here we will see greater effort from Intel.
ASIC mining addon boardsNever seen a motherboard with more than 8 slots before, let alone 13. I'm curious as to how this will help miners.
useful for SLI or heavy use of PCIe boardsHow big of a factor are the PCIe lanes for gaming? I wouldn't mind getting a i9-7820x.
More PCIe lanes are only interesting for SLI and CrossFire from a gaming perspective. With 28 lanes the GPUs will need to share the lanes and will most likely both run with 8 lanes enabled per GPU (x8/x8) or with one GPU having the full 16 lanes while the other has 8 lanes (x16/x8). If you've got 44 lanes then both GPUs can use the full 16 lanes provided by a 16x PCIe slot (x16/x16).How big of a factor are the PCIe lanes for gaming? I wouldn't mind getting a i9-7820x.
Didn't know it will be available as HEDT chip. Also where is the newer Kaby Lake version of both of those?
On the other hand, a MCM inherently means divergent (and increased) inter-core latency across the chip boundaries. Most schedulers/applications aren't well-equipped to deal with that.Things to watch for in Intel lineup in the coming months/years:
- Core count: It's great if Intel matches and exceeds AMD's offerings. But unlike AMD's Zen cores scaling upward through MCM packages Intel so far custom made many of the bigger core designs, taking more time to apply a given generation across all of their lineup. So the crucial part is how long it takes for Intel to offer higher core counts with their latest design.
Honestly, I believe that socket compatibility is a non-issue in the current landscape. Significant platform improvements are at least as common, if not more so, than significant CPU improvements.- Future proofing: AMD currently pushes their (mainstream) AM4 and (server/HEDT) SP3/r2 sockets as being prepared for the next couple generations. Intel traditionally didn't care about regularly replacing sockets between generations and different market segments. Will the added competition make Intel rethink their approach?
You talking about the 32 core Xeon die as if Intel would ever use that exact die to offer smaller core counts across their whole lineup is hilarious on multiple levels.They have a 32 cores chip and just because of that you can bet that they have all the possible chips between 32 and 2 as well. So what you said about them needing time to make chips with more cores makes no sense at all.
So far inter-CCX latency at lower core counts seems to be the biggest actual issue. At the core counts where MCM applies Infinity Fabric's latency appears to hold up well with those of the ring bus Intel uses.On the other hand, a MCM inherently means divergent (and increased) inter-core latency across the chip boundaries. Most schedulers/applications aren't well-equipped to deal with that.
Honestly, I find the disruption caused by AMD in the HEDT CPU segment (and I think it's fair to talk about "disruption" given this step by Intel) far more exciting than the mainstream stuff.
You talking about the 32 core Xeon die as if Intel would ever use that exact die to offer smaller core counts across their whole lineup is hilarious on multiple levels.
Why do you keep using a year old design to try to rebut a point as if that one year old design didn't need any time to get to the current state? It's a fact that all those different dies take longer to roll out than rolling out a single die across many configurations. The fact that that work is already done for Skylake helps Kaby Lake and any upcoming improved design exactly zilch.No, I'm talking about this 32 core die being the obvious top of Skylake lineup which means that there will be quite a bit of dies between the currently available 4 and this 32. The only question here is which of them Intel will decide to move from Xeon lineup (for which they are being developed) to the new HEDT platform, and it's not a question of time, it's a question of market needs. Your time point makes zero sense.
How big of a factor are the PCIe lanes for gaming? I wouldn't mind getting a i9-7820x.
https://videocardz.com/press-release/asrock-announces-x299-and-am4-mini-itx-motherboards
Seems like ASRock decided that might as well put out actual PR. X299 is now a thing.
I'd wait for latency benchmark results on Ryzen MCMs before taking this as granted.So far inter-CCX latency at lower core counts seems to be the biggest actual issue. At the core counts where MCM applies Infinity Fabric's latency appears to hold up well with those of the ring bus Intel uses.
I strongly disagree.If the rumors are true and the X series all have 1MB L@ cache per core Intel had already planned to do this a few months before Ryzen rumors surfaced. Intel's renaming their most expensive chips as i9 would be their only reaction to AMD's disruption and that's a minor reaction.
Intel's X299 chipset used to be represented by a bulky EATX or ATX motherboard, because the CPU, chipset, memory and whole layout required an extra-large PCB to contain the extreme performance. ASRock's R&D team has worked very hard to defy logics and build a motherboard with a small size but huge performance, and now we have succeeded in breaking the limitations to fit the whole X299 package onto a mini-ITX form factor PCB, hence the world's first and only mini-ITX X299 motherboard is born!
X299E-ITX/ac is built around an X299 chipset, which unlocks the hidden performance of Intel® LGA 2066 socket CPUs, giving the overall performance a huge boost. Regardless of its tiny size, other points worth mentioning are 4 SO-DIMM memory slots, 10-layer PCB, two Intel® Gigabit LANs, dual band 2.4/5GHz 802.11ac WiFi and Bluetooth 4.2, and onboard amazing six SATA ports. Furthermore, ASRock is incredibly to make triple M.2 sockets onboard for satisfy insanely fast SSDs.
I've been on 8-cores for ages and have recently added two more. Even with simple browsing and day-to-day tasks I see 16-thread usage. This includes gaming.This seems nuts. I've been on i7's since 2009 and I'm just seeing hyperthreading and multiple threads being taken advantage of only since the gen started.
I'm at a loss for why so many people continue to maintain this stance. It doesn't seem inline with the actual processor landscape.If the rumors are true and the X series all have 1MB L@ cache per core Intel had already planned to do this a few months before Ryzen rumors surfaced. Intel's renaming their most expensive chips as i9 would be their only reaction to AMD's disruption and that's a minor reaction.
Nothing for performance, just classic Intel style market segmentation (those who want/need more lanes need to pay more).Reduced lanes on the upcoming I9's mean what exactly in terms of performance?
Nothing if you have a single GPU and no esoteric workstation type needs for separate high speed controllers or network connectivity.Reduced lanes on the upcoming I9's mean what exactly in terms of performance?
And totally useless for gaming. I'm hoping this drops prices of the 7700k.
To be fair, that's hardly just "classic Intel style", that's classic electronics style. I'd be hard pressed to think of any significant hardware company in the industry that doesn't do artificial market segmentation when they are in a position to.Nothing for performance, just classic Intel style market segmentation (those who want/need more lanes need to pay more).
Yeah, Intel has been sitting on the i3-i7 range for almost a decade and only added 2 cores every few years to the HEDT platform.·feist·;238454457 said:I'm at a loss for why so many people continue to maintain this stance. It doesn't seem inline with the actual processor landscape.
7820x looks fairly interesting. The question is pricing.
Basically this
While completely true, Intel were never ashamed to make the most inane arbitrary feature restriction on relatively lower priced parts. E.g. the fact that AMD's whole datacenter strategy is about upending Intel's dominance there by positioning a single socket platform as an improvement over a widespread dual socket platform where the majority doesn't even use the second socket imo tells it all.To be fair, that's hardly just "classic Intel style", that's classic electronics style. I'd be hard pressed to think of any significant hardware company in the industry that doesn't do artificial market segmentation when they are in a position to.
12 cores, 24 Threads, lol. What a waste of money for every gamer when most games barely utilize 4 cores still...
Give us more clock speed instead, up it to 5GHz, gogo!
If it's north of $500 then Zen it is. Well, unless we are talking $550 vs $600-$700. Intel boards are usually more expensive as well.I think we'll still be way north of 500$, which makes it a no go for me at least. Curious to see how this revised 7740K is, but i don't expect much compared to the 7700K.
12 cores, 24 Threads, lol. What a waste of money for every gamer when most games barely utilize 4 cores still...
12 cores, 24 Threads, lol. What a waste of money for every gamer when most games barely utilize 4 cores still...
Give us more clock speed instead, up it to 5GHz, gogo!