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[Team Andromeda]

There is a party clause. Can't just release a game for One X, it has to release on OG Xbone and One S.

Like with some of the stupid party clause's of the 360, it needs to be dropped. The XBox One is dead and its better to have a game on the One X than not at all IMO.
Not that I really want 3rd parties or 1st parties to waste their time on the old gen, it really is time to move on ?

 

[Three]

Like with some of the stupid party clause's of the 360, it needs to be dropped. The XBox One is dead and its better to have a game on the One X than not at all IMO.
Not that I really want 3rd parties or 1st parties to waste their time on the old gen, it really is time to move on ?

The one X is even more dead than the one S. It was barely getting support even when it was 'alive'. I honestly think devs would choose none at all if they didn’t choose to develop for one.

 

[Poltz]

PS4 actually sold units in Japan.

 

[Baki]

Street Fighter 6 , Resident Evil 4 REmake & some others have made the choice to leave out Xbox One.

PS4 & Xbox One is pretty close in specs besides the crazy RAM setup but that never stopped any games from coming to Xbox One in the past.

PS4 had 50% better gpu and that doesn’t even account for the ram bandwidth advantage.

 

[Supple]

It doesn’t help that only a small percentage of Game Pass subscribers actually pay full price for games.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

It’s a business-based decision. Nothing to do with specs. So in that regard, I would say it isn’t weird at all. PS4 has a much higher install base, and still clearly quite a bit of demand for software from people who haven’t upgraded to current-gen yet. Whereas the business opportunity from porting to Xbox One, depending on the game of course, probably isn’t worth the time and resources to port. The games go where the audiences are

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Like with some of the stupid party clause's of the 360, it needs to be dropped. The XBox One is dead and its better to have a game on the One X than not at all IMO.
Not that I really want 3rd parties or 1st parties to waste their time on the old gen, it really is time to move on ?

Would open up Microsoft to a class action lawsuit.

You can't sell me an XSS saying it will have all the same games as an XSX with just lower resolution and framerate and then not deliver on that.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Would open up Microsoft to a class action lawsuit.

You can't sell me an XSS saying it will have all the same games as an XSX with just lower resolution and framerate and then not deliver on that.

I'm on about the One and One X. Not the Series S and Series X

 

[Team Andromeda]

The one X is even more dead than the one S. It was barely getting support even when it was 'alive'. I honestly think devs would choose none at all if they didn’t choose to develop for one.

I wish development would stop on the PS 4 and Xbox One. But If we must have last gen versions. I rather see a XBox One X than no Xbox One version at all

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I'm on about the One and One X. Not the Series S and Series X

How is it different?

 

[JackMcGunns]

In hindsight this makes Jack Ryan's comments on PS5 moving on to true next gen games even more cringy. Ironically it's the PS4 holding everything back now.

 

[lestar]

it doen't help when a VR headset sells more units than xbox

 

[Mephisto40]

That's not really true.

Look at God of War and Horizon.

They're both optimized for PS4 Pro as well. I doubt any PS4 game that comes out now isn't still being optimized for PS4 Pro. It's just more horsepower.

I wouldnt be surprised if first party playstation games have some sort of obligation to support the PS4 pro as well if they are cross gen

I don't think third party games will have specific support for it moving forwards

 

[StereoVsn]

How is it different?

And what's more considering only about 20% of installed base had OneX and those were the most active users... its likely they are on XSX already.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

And what's more considering only about 20% of installed base had OneX and those were the most active users... its likely they are on XSX already.

What info do you have to make a determination which users have purchased which system?

 

[Astral Dog]

I assume its the smaller userbase,higher specs on PS4 and maybe some incentive from Sony themselves.

 

[ResilientBanana]

The PS4 was fairly superior to the Xbox One. Seems fair.

 

[Luipadre]

Not worth the extra work to sell like 10 more copies on old xbox one console

 

[Team Andromeda]

How is it different?

Because the games come out on the Series S

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Because the games come out on the Series S

Will they next generation?

We've already seen with Baldur's Gate issues with the Series S, which in turn impact the Series X releases. I don't think it's a wild assumption to believe that next-generation cross-gen titles will struggle with the Series S, which may continue to impact the Series X.

We're seeing exactly that with the Xbox One.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Will they next generation?

We've already seen with Baldur's Gate issues with the Series S, which in turn impact the Series X releases. I don't think it's a wild assumption to believe that next-generation cross-gen titles will struggle with the Series S, which may continue to impact the Series X.

We're seeing exactly that with the Xbox One.

The difference is the X|S are mandated to be simultaneous, and that isn't changing. Even though Series S is lower spec, they are otherwise treated as the same console. Which is completely different than how it was during the Xbox One generation with, OG, One S and One X. One X was completely optional for developers to use or not use. and didn't have to get it's own patch or version, unless a developer chose to utilize it.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

The difference is the X|S are mandated to be simultaneous, and that isn't changing. Even though Series S is lower spec, they are otherwise treated as the same console. Which is completely different than how it was during the Xbox One generation with, OG, One S and One X. One X was completely optional for developers to use or not use. and didn't have to get it's own patch or version, unless a developer chose to utilize it.

I don't think you're getting what I'm saying.

The Series S is treated as the same console, but it isn't. The lower spec makes a difference, just like the lower spec (but main Xbox One).

The Xbox One is being dropped because it is too weak for cross-gen and it'll be the same for the Series S, yet it'll also impact the Series X.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

I assume its the smaller userbase,higher specs on PS4 and maybe some incentive from Sony themselves.

This. It's a lot of small reasons. PS4 install base is enormous. It has a large active userbase still in Japan, as PS5 is still in early phase of it's life. Software sales in and out of Japan are still fairly solid, for an older console. And due to this, there is money being left on the table for certain games if you don't port them to PS4, as there are still so many people with a PS4 and not something newer. Xbox One, it is safe to make the assumption that most of what's mentioned above is not the case, especially in Japan (and with Japanese-made games in general), and also that likely a lot of active One users are converted over to Series X|S. Combined, the data probably tells developers and publishers that there just isn't enough of an active base of One users any longer to justify porting a lot of these games.

 

[onQ123]

In hindsight this makes Jack Ryan's comments on PS5 moving on to true next gen games even more cringy. Ironically it's the PS4 holding everything back now.

I'm sure the PS5 & Xbox Series versions don't even know the PS4 ports even exist

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[Belthazar]

I saw that but the guy after was just pointing out that you would have had xbox one x too if you count PS4 Pro separately.

And also count the OG One and One S, as there's differences in the hardware.

So, in the end a Cross-gen game has to cater to 3 platforms on PlayStation and 5 on Xbox. Insane when you think about it.

 

[JackMcGunns]

I'm sure the PS5 & Xbox Series versions don't even know the PS4 ports even exist

Exactly! I'm speaking for all armchair devs claiming it would hold the gen back.

 

[damidu]

not surprising, they have to support one s which is abysmal even in last gen standards.
also user base

now new question is, will ps6 era crossgen games skip series x because of series s?
series s is even more of a turd than one s was, within its own respective generation.

 

[Cheezewizz]

For me it's a simple decision - a lot of people still own a PS4 and can't get a PS5 while you can get a Series S for cheap.

This is the ramifications of the PS5 being difficult to get for awhile.

We'd better get used to it, because there's a 99.999% probability that people will be using this excuse for decades to come.

 

[Cheezewizz]

They are Japanese games. Their studios focuses on their territories first.


Dumb statement, considering PS+ premium is becoming like gamepass (aside of day1).

Well frankly, that's one of among many dumb statements being made. What with all the "what about competition" going around lately.

 

[CamHostage]

The Xbox One is being dropped because it is too weak for cross-gen and it'll be the same for the Series S, yet it'll also impact the Series X.

"Power" probably isn't much of a factor for this conversation? We're talking about games being made to include not only PS4, but even sometimes Switch. These are games which, if they were made in America or Europe, would be on all four platforms; you don't see this trend of PS4/PS5/X1/XSeries in publishers from other territories.

Power level of base/S Xbox One may be interesting from an economic standpoint given that there are differences in the low levels and thus there are more Xbox console variants than PS variants as Bethazar said, but otherwise it doesn't seem to be a conclusive factor in the Xbox One being left out of these specific product releases.

 

[Deerock71]

Sony is Mr. Worldwide

 

[Mibu no ookami]

"Power" probably isn't much of a factor for this conversation? We're talking about games being made to include not only PS4, but even sometimes Switch. These are games which, if they were made in America or Europe, would be on all four platforms; you don't see this trend of PS4/PS5/X1/XSeries in publishers from other territories.

Power level of base/S Xbox One may be interesting from an economic standpoint given that there are differences in the low levels and thus there are more Xbox console variants than PS variants as Bethazar said, but otherwise it doesn't seem to be a conclusive factor in the Xbox One being left out of these specific product releases.

Don't you think the economics of the switch make it worth it despite the power?

What you have with the X1 is poor economics and poor power.

 

[CamHostage]

Don't you think the economics of the switch make it worth it despite the power?

What you have with the X1 is poor economics and poor power.

Sure, but no other region's publishers are answering the power differential challenge by just cutting the Xbox One product line out.

 

[ricardo_sousa11]

Even the new Xbox is selling waht? 1 : 3 Ps5?

If Microsoft doesnt get a grip this might be the last generation.

 

[Connxtion]

Who has got the marketing deal on these games?

(Spelling )

 

[StereoVsn]

What info do you have to make a determination which users have purchased which system?

I don't have any information in which users purchased which systems obviously but for general system purchase ratios, Microsoft (and Sony too actually) released this info previously. Been a few years though.

 

[Physiognomonics]

I am predicting the same thing will happen with PS6 cross gen games still coming to PS5 while leaving out Xbox series consoles.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Sure, but no other region's publishers are answering the power differential challenge by just cutting the Xbox One product line out.

Isn't that the region that the X1 performed the worst?

 

[ReBurn]

I don't think it's weird. I think people have pretty much moved on from Xbox One because Microsoft has moved on from Xbox One. They either went to PS4 or, for the diehard Xbox fans, have moved to Series. Devs are going to focus their resources on Series because that's where the active Xbox players are.

It's different with PlayStation because there are still so many active PS4 users out there that third party devs stand a much better chance of being successful releasing on PS4 since PS5 can still play those games. There aren't enough PS5's in homes yet for most multiplat devs to risk only releasing the PlayStation version on PS5 unless they're sure they have a hit on their hands. I wouldn't be surprised if some smaller developers never quit publishing games for the PS4, at least not until Sony stops accepting game submissions for it.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Will they next generation?

We've already seen with Baldur's Gate issues with the Series S, which in turn impact the Series X releases. I don't think it's a wild assumption to believe that next-generation cross-gen titles will struggle with the Series S, which may continue to impact the Series X.

We're seeing exactly that with the Xbox One.

Can't help bu think you're just stirring.
Unless I missed somthing Baldur's Gate isn't coming to last gen consoles. This threat is about games which are and I would rather see a XBox One X version than none at all.

 

[PeteBull]

Its all pretty simple, ofc xbox one is roughly 30% weaker and coz of ddr3 harder to make games for, but true reason why some devs dont wanna port on it is simple math, only around 55m total xbox one have sold( including one X), and basically every active/hardcore gamer, after almost 2,5years of next gen consoles launch already bought series s/x, so only ones with last gen consoles are xbox users who dont buy games at all, hence almost 0 benefit to put those games in there, thats it, mystery solved.

Ps4 being roughly 30% stronger isnt the current problem of xbox one(and one X who is actually stronger from series S gpu wise), just how lil their owners left, active owners who buy games, with ps4 instal base is over 2x bigger ( 117,2m official data from sony https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/10/ps4-...-2-million-2nd-biggest-console-ever-17161895/ ) and no gamepass so they still gotta buy games after all, but i bet 2023 will be last year we getting last gen ps4/pro ports too, for most games- probably with exception of fifa which wont even be full ports but downgraded versions.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Can't help bu think you're just stirring.
Unless I missed somthing Baldur's Gate isn't coming to last gen consoles. This threat is about games which are and I would rather see a XBox One X version than none at all.

Stirring?

My point is the problem we're seeing with seeing Xbox One X versions is the exact same problem we're seeing with XSS and Baldur's Gate.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Stirring?

My point is the problem we're seeing with seeing Xbox One X versions is the exact same problem we're seeing with XSS and Baldur's Gate.

I think the point is, you're clelry trying to point score at the XBox. Bye

 

[FritzJ92]

Honestly, I bet it's simply because the XB1 is too weak and the experience would be compromised.