Psychoward
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Yup. Least surprising reveal ever tbh
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CrowbCat - LawBreakers in an oversaturated market
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SprachBrooks
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I know about plenty of memes of that ilk actually and I'd not classify myself as one who is either a racist or a white supremacist (I ain't even white). Maybe try and add some nuance to your analysis of peoples' political outlooks instead of resorting to binary generalisations.
Psychoward
Banned
The poster should have said you don't use them unless you're deep in the 4chan hell.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Meh
This is basically just "Decent game doesn't sell well, let's laugh at it"
Also LawBreakers really doesn't look like Overwatch, this seems more like people being shit at describing games. I also didn't get the point showing Titanfall, SW Battlefront and Evolve? What was up with that?
Really? Lots of folks on GAF complain about "60$ for multiplayer only"
This is basically just "Decent game doesn't sell well, let's laugh at it"
Also LawBreakers really doesn't look like Overwatch, this seems more like people being shit at describing games. I also didn't get the point showing Titanfall, SW Battlefront and Evolve? What was up with that?
Really? Lots of folks on GAF complain about "60$ for multiplayer only"
The fuck?
Really though, I am sad that Overwatch just grabbed everyone and now "NOTHING ELSE MAY EXIST!" to people. I think Lawbreakers filled it own niche of being this for people who are fans of the Quake or Unreal Tournament type of fast-paced games. Those are not many of nowadays.
SprachBrooks
Member
The first Titanfall was a multiplayer-only $60 game, as were SW Battlefront and Evolve. He showed them each time Cliffy B would riff on that trope that he's being pro-consumer by only charging $30 for his multiplayer-only video game. Again, this was deliberate in its use to highlight the confused marketing strategy Cliffy B adopted by backdoor comparing his games to all those that already exist under the guise of trying to state his game was different.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Yep, takes a lot of work to cherry pick clips that fit your narrative.
packy34
Member
I played the beta and didn't find it fun at all. Twitchy, jumpy arena shooters are relics of the 90s. We've moved on.
I also found the characters and maps rather bland.
Not really, it's still fucking hilarious.
They are all popular FPS's in a saturated market.
And though you think it 'really doesn't look like Overwatch' it sure is referred as such by most people.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Would you use them in your public works, spreading them to a quite big audience?
Like, i don't even wan to defend this racist meme, but do you not see how you're straight up contradicting yourself?
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Nah, you just start rolling your eyes at some point tbh
Roude Leiw
Member
one of the best mp fps games in a looong while. love it.
Why would you refrain from using them if you had no idea of the origin or apparent racists connotation? Were it not for Gaf very enthusiastically condemning it I still wouldn't know there was any issue with it even after watching the video.
Just to be clear I'd heard it before, but never would have had any issues with repeating it until the thread here.
So what's the play here, folks. Super ear-to-the-ground internet person who makes popular meme videos wasn't aware of the racist 4chan meme they intentionally put in their video?
Also, are any of you interested in buying a bridge.
Seems more like "Yoo newbz my game is da shitz and you're gonna love it and buy it" and then once it releases the game struggles to get 1k people online.
Very well worth a video from Cowbcat.
More his persona/delivery. I personally have no issue with devs charging the price they deem warranted, nor people who choose not to purchase based on that (like $60 for a multi-only game), it's just the way he says it like all those games are wrong but his opinion is right.
Personally the game looks fun but not something I would play on PS4 and I know my PC wouldn't run it. I think it being a new and unknown multiplayer only IP despite Cliff's pedigree behind it makes it a hard sell though ironically.
packy34
Member
Another thing I've never understood. People will gladly pay $60 for a 8-15 hour linear/crafted single-player game, but a game like R6 Siege that focuses on multiplayer and requires hundreds of hours of play to fully grasp is somehow "not worth it" because it's "only multiplayer".
Psychoward
Banned
The "joke" is the racism. That's the punchline. It makes no sense otherwise.
Yeah absolutely, even professional critic reviews have been mostly positive. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1418066 The biggest problem really is the low player count, it's very sad since it deserves so much more. People are finding matches quick, except the people at higher MMR. Some long waiting times there. The devs acted quick with the PS4 problems and other than that the experience has been really smooth all around. No other problems at launch. The devs have communicated well, few of them even been posting in the Gaf OT. Not Cliff though =P Not sure if people here would let him, seems like he isn't well liked for nonsensical reasons. Game feels fresh while it still somewhat takes my back to my times with Quake, Tribes and Unreal. The different movement options on the classes makes the simple act of moving your character a joy. Gunplay feels great too. There's a decent skill ceiling so there's much to learn and improve for the players.
wesleyshark
Banned
Yessssssssss. Watching now
SprachBrooks
Member
I would. Again, the context in which he used it and the intention are ambiguous but that ambiguity was amateurish on his part, because you're logically leaving your audience to conclude your use of it was tantamount to an affirmation.
Regardless, I'm not so concerned about Crowb's use of the meme as much as the binary generalisation within the individual's post that I responded to.
psychowave
Member
Yeah, this.
pointing out racism is worse than using racist memes lol
Things are only racist if you really, truly mean it to be racist in your heart. Everyone knows this. /s
That makes a lot more sense, allright.
Cliffy, go back to working on the failed LawBreakers instead of lurking on GAF. lmao
GuitarAtomik
Member
That's kind of the point. It's an obscure meme that you would only really know about if you frequent or are aware of some deep 4ch stuff. That's not a meme you "accidentally" use in your video.
The Hermit
Member
I couldn't see the rest of the video because my eyes rolled of the socket after this.
Was that Cliffy B, btw?
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
As I said, people are really lazy and shit when describing games.
That's why "The Dark Souls of" has become a meme now (and was even used by Cliff).
I haven't played LawBreakers but outside of being a heroshooter (Which, as far as I know, wasn't invented by Overwatch) I don't think they have much in common.
It reminds when people described Overwatch as a Team Fortress 2 clone. Just as lazy
I was about to write a lengthy post why you are an idiot because I somehow missed the "/s" the first time. Phew.
SprachBrooks
Member
Again, no. The meme itself doesn't require you to be a 4Chan surfer to know about in the same way that I don't need to play Skyrim to know of the 'took an arrow to the knee' meme. There are many ways to be exposed to shit on the internet, surprisingly. Using the memeyou never specify the context so one can only interpret you mean it in a very general mannerdoes not equal to being a white supremacist that browses /pol on 4Chan and hates liberals.
Spring-Loaded
Member
That's dumb tho
Video title: Lawbreakers in an oversaturated market
Video segment: Sequence illustrating the number of multiplayer-focused first-person shooters
A defining aspect of this genre is its need for an active, sizable community. Since the FPS sub-market isn't in rapid growth, releasing another game of the same style means something very close to a zero sum game, and in the context of the game having a soft launch, it's hard not to connect those dots.
And yet to this particular person who is the apparent target of it, it wasn't offensive outside of the context of it's origin. It's effectively a true statement with a stereotypical means of expression outside of context which is in itself innocuous.
It was only the knowledge of the intent of harm that made it harmful, which you wouldn't have without the context of it's origin.
I just find it hard to condemn someone for a slip up that I myself could have made, which would somehow unknowingly be racist against my own race.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I don't think there's room for ambiguity on a meme adopted by white supremacists, in the same way there's no room for ambiguity in other alt-right adopted memes like "pepe the frog"
Yes it was. CliffyB says lots of stupid things in the video that will make your eyes roll into outer space.
Ehh, I know about that meme and I never been to /pol/. Far more common on twitch then just 4chan.
zombieshavebrains
I have not used cocaine
ITT: People who might have found some aspect of a joke funny are called white supremacists by people who have never ever in their life found anything involving stereotypes humorous.
Way to completely shit on this thread.
Way to completely shit on this thread.
Yeah, it is one of the few you only know because you use it or know dogwhistles.
psychowave
Member
If you use a racist meme in your comedy video and play it completely straight then you probably think the racist meme is funny and therefore you're a racist. It's not that hard.
Twitch is also a racist hellhole bruh. You can't have a monkey in your game without Twitch spamming TriHard in the chat.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Shame about the stuff in the video, the game is actually really good
SprachBrooks
Member
You do know people appropriate different shit all the time, right? Either for progressive purposes or backward racist purposes?
We wuz king is not a joke. What he did was pretty much yell "Niggers" and that was the post line and joke.
How was he "appropriating" it?
Eljoacosupreme
Member
I'm not really into mp competitive shooters and was kinda dissapointed that Cliffy's big new project after gears was one. But the footage shown actually looks pretty bonkers.
Perhaps they needed to double down on the whole zero-gravity stuff. Crowb's video really makes it evident that they lacked a "hook" to reel people in (or at least a better one than .just saying it's for the hardcore audience). Then again, maybe they did, since apparently there's a whole bunch of marketing i completely missed even though i followed the game since the announcement out of curiosity.
Also...What's his deal with Xbox?. Not only was i shocked that the game didn't land on it (i just assumed it released on every major platform), but man...those comments he makes, jeez. Was there a fallout or something between them?
Perhaps they needed to double down on the whole zero-gravity stuff. Crowb's video really makes it evident that they lacked a "hook" to reel people in (or at least a better one than .just saying it's for the hardcore audience). Then again, maybe they did, since apparently there's a whole bunch of marketing i completely missed even though i followed the game since the announcement out of curiosity.
Also...What's his deal with Xbox?. Not only was i shocked that the game didn't land on it (i just assumed it released on every major platform), but man...those comments he makes, jeez. Was there a fallout or something between them?
jim2point0
Banned
The title of the video is "Lawbreakers in an oversaturated market." The video then provides evidence that it is an oversaturated market, then shows that the game did not sell well. I don't think you need to cherrypick clips to show that these are facts.
Psychoward
Banned
The persecution complex for liking racist jokes has arrived.
And it's not even based on a stereotype or clever in any way other than "hurr black people talk funny". Just like dindu nuffin, another horribly racist "joke" from that same horrible board.
That's fair if you can expect that knowledge to be universal and in turn the meme inseparable from it's origin. If that is it's origin and not just the place of popularization.
I think I read something similar in a book at some point, so at what point does that concept become original to /pol/?