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Dark Souls - New Trailer - 2011 Worldwide [Update 2: Video Interview In OP]
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John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
If all the things they could have added to the Demon's Souls formula, the one thing they seemed to be putting the most effort into... is adding to the difficulty. Gee. Thanks guys.
I wonder how the PS3 vs 360 performance will compare. I guess I kinda hope it's equal or better for PS3 since I'm so used to playing Demon's Souls on the DS3 now but if the 360 version is better I'm not against buying that.
Too bad they haven't considered a PC release. Once they have a 360 version, a PC port shouldn't be too hard, and considering how unique the Souls games are, there would probably be a decent market for it on PC. It would be nice to have a 60fps locked full graphics experience.
Too bad they haven't considered a PC release. Once they have a 360 version, a PC port shouldn't be too hard, and considering how unique the Souls games are, there would probably be a decent market for it on PC. It would be nice to have a 60fps locked full graphics experience.
ephemeral garbage
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Of all the things you could have added to the discussion, the one thing you put effort into... is a redundant complaint about the difficulty. Gee. Thanks John Harker.
Stripper13
Member
Definitely going to be an interesting comparison and is almost certainly going to bring the hardcore console warriors out of the shadows when the results come in.Zzoram said:
As I said earlier, I'm waiting on my copy of DS to arrive and can't wait to get boned by the challenge - I know will it be great. But if history I'd any indicator I'll be getting dark souls on 360 due to controller + multiplatform superiority. Of course, if there is some special edition or console exclusive content I'll be jumping at that shit.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Not A Fur said:
You clearly haven't followed John Harker's opinion of these games /lol face
Fix your smirk detector!
Stripper13
Member
I believe so, but still - history indicates the 360's strengths will lend to a better port albeit marginal. Also, I'd be confident in parity or even PS3 superiority if the original game had amazing graphics. It obviously looks great and has a great art/design style - but nothing indicates we are seeing Sony First Party levels of effort here. Castlevania as far as I recall simply had more frequent framerate drops on the 360? Not sure.soldat7 said:
canova said:
You just keep listing more and more assumptions, none of which seem to be based on any sort of factual reality or actual source. So you're basically saying "I kinda feel this is possible" and trying to pass that off as fact with no research or investigation. This is no different from people assuming that Obama is not an American, and trying to convince other people it must be true because they feel that way.
duckroll said:
The director did cut some stuff out from Demon's Souls. The broken archstone or the 6th archstone, The Land of the Giants. Now I assume that they would re-use that material in Dark Souls, that only makes sense
So I believe it's pretty safe assumption. Definitely better than assuming the engine is built from the ground-up (in such period of time) or 360 is the lead platform (when deal with Namco came in late in the game)
If I were taking any bet, yeah I say it is Demon's Souls engine
momolicious
Member
So there is not going to be a Demon Souls 2?
canova said:
There were things which might have been planned for Demon's Souls but not finished. You're making an assumption that such work would then be finished up and used in a new game with a brand new world and story, with no connections in terms of lore with Demon's Souls. That's kind of a stretch. I'm not sure why this would "only make sense" when they already expressed that they're building a brand new world from ground up here.
The director has never mentioned using ideas or content which didn't make it into Demon's Souls, even though he has talked extensively about many other things the game does indeed take from Demon's Souls. So this assumption is not based on any sort of evidence at all. Do you even know if the ideas for those archstones ever made it beyond concepts? Did they even create any assets or designs whatsoever for those areas? If not why would they revisit the ideas when they're brainstorming for a brand new world? Lots of content and ideas get cut from games which don't ever get revisited or used again, even in direct sequels.
The engine doesn't have to be built from ground up. From Software has been working extensively on both PS3 and 360 titles internally for the entire generation now. Demon's Souls was not even developed with a brand new engine from ground up. From has their internal tool sets and development environment for both platforms, and they used a licensed general engine from Sony to put the game together.
If they wanted to work on a solid multiplatform game, they can definitely rework their existing technology without having to use the Demon's Souls PhyrEngine at all. The lead programmer of Demon's Souls also worked on Armored Core 4 (which was also directed by Miyazaki), so it's not like the team has only been working on a single engine this whole generation. They had already shipped two multiplatform games before Demon's Souls was even released.
Canova, when you state something as fact but don't actually know one way or another or have any evidence supporting it (just vague inferences which don't actually make any sense), that's called lying. And trying to put the burden of proof on the person calling you out for making that fabricated assertion isn't doing you any favors, either.
CitizenKang
Neo Member
What a great trailer. I'm already imagining the ways all those monsters are going to kill me.
Haunted
Member
For the people saying "I'd rather have this be Demon's Souls 2 than this", are you all talking about the (imo negligible, but whatever) additional awareness that would bring for the sales?
Because I cannot figure out the value of this being Demon's Souls 2 instead of Dark Souls from a consumer perspective. I struggle to think of any copyrighted elements I just cannot live without and which will make Dark Souls a worse game than Demon's Souls 2 would be.
Setting and atmosphere? Still medieval Dark Fantasy, doesn't matter whether From calls it Boletaria or whateverthefuckhappytown. Boletaria had no coherent sense of place, due to the wildly different and separated environments, so From can easily replicate (and better) it. You can already see all the familiar environments in the trailer, swamps, castles, ruins, dungeons, bridges... most of these could be assets taken straight from the first game and you lot wouldn't even notice.
What else is intrinsically tied to the IP...
Characters? I struggle to think of any noteworthy ones in Demon's Souls. That kid monk no one told me where to find? The generic grumpy/introvert blacksmiths? The girl with the Slavic accent? That guy I had to save like five fucking times? It's like complaining about the main guy from GTA III not making a return. None of these are important and easily replaceable withthe exact same similar better characters.
You can already see in the trailer that there are extreme similarities between the two games, both in (art) design and atmosphere. I do not see what the Demon's Souls IP would bring to the end consumer that Dark Souls can't.
Because I cannot figure out the value of this being Demon's Souls 2 instead of Dark Souls from a consumer perspective. I struggle to think of any copyrighted elements I just cannot live without and which will make Dark Souls a worse game than Demon's Souls 2 would be.
Setting and atmosphere? Still medieval Dark Fantasy, doesn't matter whether From calls it Boletaria or whateverthefuckhappytown. Boletaria had no coherent sense of place, due to the wildly different and separated environments, so From can easily replicate (and better) it. You can already see all the familiar environments in the trailer, swamps, castles, ruins, dungeons, bridges... most of these could be assets taken straight from the first game and you lot wouldn't even notice.
What else is intrinsically tied to the IP...
Characters? I struggle to think of any noteworthy ones in Demon's Souls. That kid monk no one told me where to find? The generic grumpy/introvert blacksmiths? The girl with the Slavic accent? That guy I had to save like five fucking times? It's like complaining about the main guy from GTA III not making a return. None of these are important and easily replaceable with
You can already see in the trailer that there are extreme similarities between the two games, both in (art) design and atmosphere. I do not see what the Demon's Souls IP would bring to the end consumer that Dark Souls can't.
Haunted
Member
Learned the lesson too late. Again.canova said:
Drop the "safe", admit you're just guessing/assuming based on conjecture (you believe to be fool-proof) and no one will complain about the wording.
You mean the hub? Concepts of hubs aren't copyrighted, so not having something like it in Dark Souls would be a design decision first and foremost. They seem to be intent on bettering the structure of the game to something more open worldy, so that's already a plus.Zoe said:
Also don't forget that even making a Demon's Souls 2 doesn't mean that any structural elements of the first one have to return. Just think of Far Cry 2!