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David Jaffe: Twisted Metal coming 2011, release date announcement soon
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DJ Crimson
Banned
Yea
marathonfool
Member
Looking forward to seeing the level designs. IMO, that was the core of the TM series.
RustyNails
Member
How can you move on to small-scale downloadable games after creating arguably THE most epic videogaming series of all time?davidjaffe said:I remember!And I STILL want to do that so badly! I SO want to have Eat Sleep Play doing iphone/ipad/PSN/XBLA style games and that is in the future for sure. But TM was too good of a creative opportunity for us to pass up. It actually started as a smaller PSN game but grew and grew and grew to become the full retail game it is now. I want to do all sizes of games for sure. And yes, small downloadable games are something I'm very passionate about and we will get back to them.
David
I understand if that's Eat Sleep Play's goal, but another super mega epic IP won't hurt!My "sell my ps3" sense is tickling.
Another series ruined by MP focus and live action apparently lol, and numerous endings (despite there only being 4 stinkin characters) I'll never see unless there are god-mode like cheats the previous games had.
Wonderful! Brilliant!
Why did I buy this console again?
Another series ruined by MP focus and live action apparently lol, and numerous endings (despite there only being 4 stinkin characters) I'll never see unless there are god-mode like cheats the previous games had.
Wonderful! Brilliant!
Why did I buy this console again?
davidjaffe said:
actually no.
You can do 3D in 30 fps game as Batman Arkham Asylum does.
http://kotaku.com/5495083/batman-arkham-asylum-game-of-the-year-edition-hops-on-3d-bandwagon
It uses anaglyph 3d.
MidnightScott
Banned
It looks kind of interesting. I have been neglecting my PS3 all year...
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
RustyNails said:How can you move on to small-scale downloadable games after creating arguably THE most epic videogaming series of all time?
I DO want to go back to some epic games in my career for sure. BUT the biggest thing GOD OF WAR taught me was/is the value of gameplay. Epic set pieces and great story and cool characters are fantastic elements that some games have but other mediums do ALL of those thing 1000 times better simply by nature of the pros/cons of the interactive medium. God of War showed me that and while I may never be any good at pure mechanics based games, I can't ignore the fact that pure mechanics are the purest and best and most powerful language of this medium. When I do any creative work, it has to be genuine and come from a place of passion and honesty with myself. Because of truly in my gut knowing that mechanics matter more than anything else, it's very easy and crazy appealing to leap into the world of ipad/iphone/psn/etc. because those are the current places where mechanic based games rule and can find the most success.
Let's put it another way: at this point in my career if someone said 'all I have to do is snap my fingers and you can automatically create the next Angry Birds OR the next God Of War', I'd be torn which one I'd pick.
David
RustyNails
Member
Real talk. I really appreciate your sincerity and honesty as it relates to your passion for gaming. It's evident for everyone to see. I slightly disagree that videogames are handicapped when it comes to storytelling/characters/set pieces etc compared to other mediums. At least, not in the near future. The way I see it, me personally, I see games being able to enhance the narrative experience which is traditionally a non-interactive staple (movies, theatre, comics, novels, etc). Heavy Rain although far from perfect, came really close to demonstrate this. It was a better and long-lasting storytelling experience for me than most of the movies released this year. Heck, God of War 1 had a heartfelt story at its core which I thought was just as great as rest of the game.davidjaffe said:
I also understand mechanics based games and I can now see why you want to focus on iphone/psn games. In any case, whatever you do in the future I'm positive it will rock!
Does the turnaround time help as well or would you happily spend 3 years on a purely mechanical game?
What I actually came through to post if the thread was still active: In multiplayer does putting one of the 4 drivers in one of the 16 cars change specials? I read that the attributes like handling and cooldown would not change but the door is open to other things changing?
What I actually came through to post if the thread was still active: In multiplayer does putting one of the 4 drivers in one of the 16 cars change specials? I read that the attributes like handling and cooldown would not change but the door is open to other things changing?
Always-honest
Banned
2011 is just insane...
You don't even need that, you can do 'real' 3D with two anamorphic 720 frames at 30fps like the Avatar game did. There is still overhead from having to draw a lot of material twice, but it's nothing like needing double the framebuffer. I actually imagine something like TM would benefit notably from it.subversus said:
With Sony's push, I'm pretty surprised that they haven't requested the game have a 3D mode.
pseudocaesar
Member
I will be purchasing this game, looks bananas, but not for myself. I buy all of these kinds of games for my younger brother to play (Stuff like Burnout, NFS series etc he loves, and this looks crazy cool).
Opus Angelorum
Member
chubigans said:
Need for Speed : Hot Pursuit sales suggest otherwise, unfortunately.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Btw David,
That Twisted Metal announcement was awesome. Awesome live action teaser followed by getting out of fucking Sweet Tooth's truck to awesome music, and then demoing the game on stage. Thats fun. Really underlined that games can be fun as fuck.
That Twisted Metal announcement was awesome. Awesome live action teaser followed by getting out of fucking Sweet Tooth's truck to awesome music, and then demoing the game on stage. Thats fun. Really underlined that games can be fun as fuck.
StealthGoblin
Banned
canova said:
It was already on our 2011 list.
davidjaffe said:
I would have liked it like the old Twisted Metal games, were each character has it's own vehicle. This gave the characters and vehicles it own personality. Oh well I can get over it.
2 Specials per vehicle, let me get this straight, so vehicles will now have 2 specials instead of just 1. Also I hope we get some old levels whether it's in the game or as DLC.
Noisepurge
Member
Sold! Any plans on a Collector's edition with a rubber sweet tooth mask, HotWheels 1:64 die-cast model ice cream truck and a chainsaw-keychain? ;D
StealthGoblin
Banned
Noisepurge said:
There definitely needs to be a sweet tooth mask in there. That would be so freaking awesome.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Grayman said:
It's a good point: I don't know if I'd want to spend all that time on a pure mechanics game but I guess it would depend on what the design was. Hard to imagine I guess because there is so much evidence that amazing mechanic based game nirvana can be achieved in 3-18 months in most cases (see classic arcade games, big iphone/ipad hits, Popcap Games classics) that there doesn't seem to be a need to spend more time than that. And sure, I love the idea of having a lot more games out in a decade than just 2-4.
As for your other question about drivers changing vehicle functionality: I answered that on the last page I think. The short answer is 'no' but the reason is answered in a bit more detail on page 2 (I think it is...).
David
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Kafel said:
It is 100% still relevant...to some people
.Yeah, annoying answer I know. I mean, I hear what you are saying for sure. And as I said before, we are fully aware we're not making HALO:REACH or Black Ops here.
And look, whenever you make any creative product you HAVE to encase yourself in a nice little cocoon of denial. Not denial that you are going to be a big failure or a big hit. But just denial of the fact that you really have no idea if anyone else is going to give a shit. And yes, you can hedge your bets (mainly via the team working their ass off on the game, listening to market research, listening to the fans,etc) but end of the day, you never really have any idea. Hell, I remember waling into Gamestop about 2 weeks before GOD OF WAR hit and saw the GOW COMING SOON box up on the shelf and just had this moment where I knew- like God was telling me from on high- that this thing was going to come and go with no one noticing or caring and be like the game Sphinx PS2 or Akuma on PS1.
So just goes to show you: who the hell knows?!?
But I agree the core idea is prob not that relevant to today's hard core gamer or jock gamer (COD:MW style players) but I do think we are relevant to a large enough group that we can do really well if we do our jobs right on the dev/pub end.
I have a hard time articulating this but I'll try: someone else brought up the poor sales of Need for Speed: HP (amazing fucking game), Blur, etc. I hope we don't suffer the same fate. But a part of me feels those games- great as they are- were trying to grab that hard core/jock gamer by trying to share the same conceptual space as today's mega hits. I think with Twisted- for better or worse- we're embracing what makes us unique: demonic clowns, crazy story, over the top vehicle design, ultra pick up and play driving physics, level design that doesn't care as much about reality as it does fun, weapons that are over the top and put humor and imagination ahead of being based on actual weapons the military would use, split screen local gaming being just as crucial as our online component,etc...Going this route will 100% lose us some of the more mainstream/jock gamers. But we feel it may also help our true fans- and folks inclined to become new fans- embrace us even more. A simpler way to say it is this: we are not aiming for Modern Warfare:Black Ops scope success (would be great but we're not delusional). But we do want to share the same stage as Demon's Souls and Street Fighter 4 in terms of being successes that sell well enough to make a nice profit, bring a lot of new fans to the table, and make our current fans really happy.
David
davidjaffe said:
holy crap, you're a big fan of Demon's Souls too?
Hi David, please tell Sony to bring the fuck on Demon's Souls 2!!!
If there's any one title embraced so well by the hardcore circle, Demon's Souls is it. Our pie has been getting smaller and smaller, please, please, please tell Sony we want Demon's Souls 2. I'll buy 5 copies of your game, if you only deliver this message.
davidjaffe said:
subversus said:
Agreed. I was watching Bonus Round earlier where the panel seemed to suggest that the industry was adopting an 'everything or nothing' stance. ie. If you weren't putting out something as successful as Call of Duty, then there's no point putting it out at all.
I don't want to sound like I'm sucking up, but if more devs/publishers adopted the same attitude as David, I think the industry would be in a much better place. Respec'.
StealthGoblin
Banned
canova said:
There is still more to announce.
This game really needs some more exposure in Europe - it's baffling to me how it had a presence at Pax, Comic Con etc. but not at Gamescom, Eurogamer Expo or some other European events. I guess resources are limited because Eat Sleep Play isn't a huge studio, but I can't shake the feeling that most of the PR work that has been done so far was of the "preaching to the choir" variety.
The vibe I was getting from most of the European media I consumed when it was announced at E3 was mostly indifference - Sony should at least try to change that.
The vibe I was getting from most of the European media I consumed when it was announced at E3 was mostly indifference - Sony should at least try to change that.
blurredvision
Member
Opus Angelorum said:Need for Speed : Hot Pursuit sales suggest otherwise, unfortunately.
The biggest difference between TM and Hot Pursuit is that a game like TM isn't done twice a year. Sure, Hot Pursuit may be a ton of fun, but it's not really anything that people haven't already played a couple of times in the past 2 or 3 years. Sales reflect genre fatigue at this point IMO. It's not like there have been a couple of decent Vigilante 8 games to satisfy the appetites of gamers to where they would be soured on the upcoming TM.
SolidSnakex
Member
blurredvision said:
Hot Pursuit also came out at a very bad time (near GT5). While they play completely differently, they're still racing games in the end. That definitely had an impact on HP's sales. In the case of TM, I can't see any upcoming games that are similar to it. Plus TM is also the biggest name in its genre.
StealthGoblin
Banned
El-Suave said:
It needs to be on the PlayStation Blog more. Hopefully it'll become a mainstay on the EU blog more when the info blow out happens.
We'll probably have Gamescom again before the game releases so they could make a push there.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Each special currently has an alt fire. Some of the alt fires are traditional alts (variations on the standard fire functionality such as our muscle car that has a charge up vulcan gun for a special and the alt is the same gun but if you can step-charge the charge mechanic ((hit and hold charge again at just the right time window)) then you get missiles as well...and you can step charge the alt up to 3 diff times) while others are 100% different (i.e. helicopter special is a turret that lets you fly while also being in FPS and controlling the turret as you attack vehicles below...but the alt is a magnet that drops from the bottom of the copter and lets you pick up and carry/transport enemies and friends alike). Currently we are discussing if we want to make the alts unlockables that open up as you rank up or just include them with the vehicle from the get go. Not sure what we'll decide on that issue.
Yes, we've discussed revisiting old levels down the road if the core game is a success enough to warrant it (i.e. Paris, Bowl from TM2, Rooftops from TM 1 and Tm2, Junkyard from TMB,etc). Would love to do a TM CLASSIC DLC PAK at some point.
David
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
AAK said:
Would love to but alas, no Paris in this game. But we may do it as DLC! Does that at least get us 2 copies from you?!?
davidjaffe said:It is 100% still relevant...to some people
Yeah, annoying answer I know. I mean, I hear what you are saying for sure. And as I said before, we are fully aware we're not making HALO:REACH or Black Ops here.
And look, whenever you make any creative product you HAVE to encase yourself in a nice little cocoon of denial. Not denial that you are going to be a big failure or a big hit. But just denial of the fact that you really have no idea if anyone else is going to give a shit. And yes, you can hedge your bets (mainly via the team working their ass off on the game, listening to market research, listening to the fans,etc) but end of the day, you never really have any idea. Hell, I remember waling into Gamestop about 2 weeks before GOD OF WAR hit and saw the GOW COMING SOON box up on the shelf and just had this moment where I knew- like God was telling me from on high- that this thing was going to come and go with no one noticing or caring and be like the game Sphinx PS2 or Akuma on PS1.
So just goes to show you: who the hell knows?!?
But I agree the core idea is prob not that relevant to today's hard core gamer or jock gamer (COD:MW style players) but I do think we are relevant to a large enough group that we can do really well if we do our jobs right on the dev/pub end.
I have a hard time articulating this but I'll try: someone else brought up the poor sales of Need for Speed: HP (amazing fucking game), Blur, etc. I hope we don't suffer the same fate. But a part of me feels those games- great as they are- were trying to grab that hard core/jock gamer by trying to share the same conceptual space as today's mega hits. I think with Twisted- for better or worse- we're embracing what makes us unique: demonic clowns, crazy story, over the top vehicle design, ultra pick up and play driving physics, level design that doesn't care as much about reality as it does fun, weapons that are over the top and put humor and imagination ahead of being based on actual weapons the military would use, split screen local gaming being just as crucial as our online component,etc...Going this route will 100% lose us some of the more mainstream/jock gamers. But we feel it may also help our true fans- and folks inclined to become new fans- embrace us even more. A simpler way to say it is this: we are not aiming for Modern Warfare:Black Ops scope success (would be great but we're not delusional). But we do want to share the same stage as Demon's Souls and Street Fighter 4 in terms of being successes that sell well enough to make a nice profit, bring a lot of new fans to the table, and make our current fans really happy.
David
Dave, can we share an internet high-five?
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Noisepurge said:
Not a mega fan of CEs but I have heard rumblings of a CE. But nothing set in stone at all. I think if we did one we've talked of including one of the masks as well as other stuff but there really is no announcement. We may not do a CE at all (and I kind of hope we don't). I think the game needs to be the game. A single edition. If people love it- and we hope they will- then we can release special editions and such. But I do know some people love the CEs.
Hell, I'd love to sell lots of TM toys and schwag but just sell them as separate items and not tie them to a CE.
David