LordRaptor
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My bad, I was always under the impression it was one of those "you are totally not allowed to do this as it is heresy (but we do it anyway and pretend we dont)" things.
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Dawn of War III announced, trailer, coming in 2017
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My bad, I was always under the impression it was one of those "you are totally not allowed to do this as it is heresy (but we do it anyway and pretend we dont)" things.
Schweinehund
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Was hoping for necrons but I will be there day one. Glad they are compromising between 1 & 2's play styles.
Dictator93
Member
Yep!
That's for "interfering with the holy human form" via artificial organs and mutations. But everyone except the most radical Inquisitors ignore it "because Emperor made them".
Dictator93
Member
Kindaaaaaaaaaaaaa
The Codex Astartes does outline the genesede and modifications and where and how the stock is supposed to be maintained (via tithes to the adept mechanicus). So there is a check so to say... also there is how the 21st founding went down. The Inquisition was not happy about the results of how the gene seed took to some of those chapters
longdi
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Coh2 is in a pretty good state now. As varied and challenging as coh1 in 1v1 and 2v2 Just buy the dlc factions on sale and forget about the rest. A new incoming patch seems to make things even better.
However yes the Commander system in coh2 is bad step back.
I'm hyped for this regardless of base building or not, as long as it's handled well, loved both DoW1 and 2, liked 2 better but that's just me. Hopefully there's a similar type of last stand mode. Excited to build a bunch of orcs and rampage through the maps.
On a side note I think an expanding/diminishing army based on your previous battles ala homeworld would be interesting in a 40k setting.
On a side note I think an expanding/diminishing army based on your previous battles ala homeworld would be interesting in a 40k setting.
Brawndo Addict
Banned
My only exposure to this universe has been through the video games and I absolutely love it; I even liked the Space Marine game. Very excited to learn more details and learn whether the campaign will be more like 1 or 2.
Ask and you shall receive ha ha
Ask and you shall receive ha ha
Kindaaaaaaaaaaaaa
The Codex Astartes does outline the genesede and modifications and where and how the stock is supposed to be maintained (via tithes to the adept mechanicus). So there is a check so to say... also there is how the 21st founding went down. The Inquisition was not happy about the results of how the gene seed took to some of those chapters
The Cursed Founding is a different matter. Space Marines are by definition mutants, even with the stablest geneseed there is.
Dictator93
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Well yeah of course! I should have phrased my post to make it seem like I was adding to what you were saying and not detracting from it.
LordRaptor
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Dictator93
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A bit confusing...
Yet they do not describe what that means or iwhich sense. Does that mean no Dawn of War 2 campaign style per slot upgrades, side grades and choices in the campaign?
Or does that mean no multiplayer Dawn of War I and II infield wargear customisation (different weapons, utilitizties, and armours for heros and different war gear or paths for units)?
Hah. We quoted the same confusing and hype-deflating information.
hooijdonk17
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This is so wrong in so many levels.. I just have to chime in and give an actual summary of the races..
Space Marines: Genetically engineered warrior monk supersoldiers equipped as basically walking tanks and organized into chapters that serve the Emperor. These chapters range from selfless defenders of humanity to singleminded forces of destruction. The forces of the Imperium of Man at large as much fear and abhor them as they need and envy them.
Eldar: An elder alien race who has been a part of the galaxy longer than most others. Their psychic abilities and hedonistic tendencies combined to gave birth to a Chaos God, tore down the barrier between the Materium and the Warp and basically fucked up the whole galaxy. They have since splintered into two basic factions, one who still pursue their sadistic and hedonist urges, and one who sulk and watch everything from afar and self-righteously meddle in the affairs of 'lesser' races.
Orks: Space Orcs. Comic relief. Genetically created militaristic alien race who were meant as an organic weapon against Necrons, they went out of control and became a menace against the whole galaxy. Ironically, they are quite possibly the galaxy's most effective defense against Tyranids and Necrons.
Chaos: Forces of the Warp. The Warp is basically an alternate dimension of psychic energy. The emotions of sentient and psychic races in the galaxy have fucked the Warp up completely with overwhelming feelings of rage, pride, fear, lust, and gave birth to Chaos Gods. These Gods (and their daemons) are basically invading the material world in pursuit of acts that will generate emotions to further empower them (i.e. war, pestilence, decadence, what have you). Some Space Marine Legions succumbed to the powers of Chaos 10,000 years ago and continue to wage an eternal war against the Imperium.
Imperial Guard: This is basically the Red Army of the Imperium, i.e. poorly trained, poorly equipped Imperial military juggernaut that relies on throwing enough corpses at the enemy until they die under the pile of bodies. "Even the man who has nothing left has his life to offer" is pretty much the Imperial Guard's summary.
And then there are the Tyranids who are an extragalactic alien hive whose sole agenda is to consume as much organic material and assimilate genetic code of enemies, the Tau who are busy founding an Empire for the Greater Good which is actually not as good as it sounds and would probably be crushed by the Imperium in a heartbeat if it actually grew to a size even remotely great, the Necrons who are basically a once sentient great race who transferred their consciousnesses into robots after being misled by lesser gods called C'tan, finally awakening from millenia of sleep to reconquer the galaxy with terrible weapons for their own alien purposes, and so on and so forth..
Anyway.. It's just not as cartoony as presented, so there you have that.
LordRaptor
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I interpreted it as campaign wargear, given the context where they talk about selecting hero units prior to the mission with 'recommended unit' builds and using skilltrees (presumably instead of wargear) for the hero units.
Sorry Bro, Slaanesh was fucked into existence by pervert space elves who couldn't keep it in their pants.
That's canon.
(Slaanesh is also the newbie chaos god, not the first)
I'd really like an I Am Bread crossover with DoW3 for release.
Bread for the bread god, scones for the scone throne.
Good. Bigger armies made Retribution so much better.
But... Angelos is still Captain. Who the hell is Chapter Master?
Ethical Hedonism
Banned
Noticed that too since I've only played DoW2's campaign with a friend and that was one of the most awesome RTS campaigns I ever played mostly because of that.
Game seems quite far into dev for them not to mention it at all, so I guess it does not bode well for co-op...
I was quite disappointed by having only 3 factions, but I guess that's the price to pay nowadays for a (I hope) well polished game.
Due to how time works in the warp, Slannesh is both the newest Chaos God and has also been around forever.
Proelite
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Noticed that too since I've only played DoW2's campaign with a friend and that was one of the most awesome RTS campaigns I ever played mostly because of that.
Game seems quite far into dev for them not to mention it at all, so I guess it does not bode well for co-op...
I was quite disappointed by having only 3 factions, but I guess that's the price to pay nowadays for a (I hope) well polished game.
They can always shoehorn coop into a RTS game with Archon mode.
and that was the last time anybody had fun in the 40k universe without fearing for their immortal soul in the process
Lets look at those tech trees:
The only real choice that you make is whether you want the upgrade building sooner or later. There is absolutely no other choices to make in each tier. These tech trees barely branch out.
You lost a little in terms of teching, but on the grand scale DoW2 just put this base-building chore under the hood. You still had a pretty similar number of units, so it is not like you had more variety in DoW1. The end result was similar + MOBA-like heroes.
Here is how a meaningful tech tree looks (SC2):
At every tier there are branching lines. If there are no branching lines (in the case of Eldar), then you are not making any decisions.
I am not even going to dive into dedicated kingdom building games with mini-economies like AoE or Stronghold. Those games are all about the base-building and expansion, where DoW is all about tactical map movements and combat.
You're completely dumbing down what needs to be decide in a match. Disingenuous at best, if not downright ignorant.
Now, map out what structure needs to be built for what additional unit, elite unit, or hero, and also what tech upgrades come from which structure. There's so much missing from that tree.
Like I said, you've never played a competitive match of DoW1 in your life, please stop.
I don't want to correct your grammar, but some of your sentences don't make sense, and I really want to know what the other Eldar do.
Necrons are the best.
Ricky Ricardo
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From what I got from my deep dive into W40K lore yesterday, I think folk can enjoy themselves without devoting every waking moment to the pursuit of pleasure and sensual fulfillment, especially if said folk have a greater psychic connection to immaterium ...
Yes! I loved Dawn of War 1, and absolutely adored Dawn of War 2. If this game ships with Last Stand mode I will be one extremely happy camper.
Though I still lament the unfortunately necessary downscaling that comes with any RTS sequel release after its preceding game had numerous expansions.
Dawn of War 1 had 4 factions to start, and then -five- added over three expansions.
Dawn of War 2 had four, and then two added over two expansions.
Naturally all of those factions were the products of the base product development time and money plus the amount dedicated for the expansion, so you can't expect everything in a sequel. Still, it can be lamented.
Though I still lament the unfortunately necessary downscaling that comes with any RTS sequel release after its preceding game had numerous expansions.
Dawn of War 1 had 4 factions to start, and then -five- added over three expansions.
Dawn of War 2 had four, and then two added over two expansions.
Naturally all of those factions were the products of the base product development time and money plus the amount dedicated for the expansion, so you can't expect everything in a sequel. Still, it can be lamented.
Dictator93
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Other Eldar:
Craftworld (who tend to have left before all went to hell) eldar are what he is talking about (in heavily simplified form of course). They exist on space faring fylable "vessels" called craftworlds.
The other are the Dark Eldar, which basically are the Eldar as they were before the fall (the catastrophic event of debuachery which gave birth to the chaos god Slaanesh in the warp. Raiders, hedonists, and hateful slavers. Extreme decadence.
There are also exodite eldar which somehow have managed to live on on other planets in a more rudimentary state.
Lastly there are the Harlequin... which are there own beasts.
The Eldar vs Dark Eldar divide is silly and dumb. This comes from a former Dark Eldar player in the tabletop game. Dark Eldar just have "Dark" versions of basically everything while the Eldar have "Light" versions. The lore behind the Dark Eldar is really quite boring most of the time, however they did have some hilarious mechanics in the tabletop game where they could take captives and trap enemy units in nets and so forth. Unfortunately, they were also tough as paper so you had to hit and run and rarely could make good with the slave taking. They were a hilarious race to play, as you would rush in, strike, and run away but if you got caught in a firefight or a melee slog you were done. Pretty much counter to how everyone else played the game at the time (Space Marines love fire fights and melees).
I fully support every developer pretending Dark Eldar don't exist and just using Eldar for the space elves and then getting to some of the other cooler races (IMO Tau or Necron, but lots of people like Tyranids too).
LordRaptor
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Nah, Da Boyz are avin' a right old time wiv da waaaaagh
Will buy the first novel in ebook form and read then
I think that there's a place in my city that rents RPG books and all that, maybe I'll find it there.
Thank you all for the tips
cj_iwakura
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Also, the Inquisition/Adepta Sororitus(Sisters of Battle); basically a faction of the Emperor's best who seek to clean out the unclean from within. They're basically bloodthirsty inquisitors dead set on stamping out any incursions of Chaos or bad mojo in general.
Will buy the first novel in ebook form and read then
If you really want to start with 30k, might as well get the first three (Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy In Flames) as they contain the arc that starts the whole Heresy. But I'd recommend starting with something from 40k, maybe the Eisenhorn trilogy or just the fluff bits from a rulebook/codex.
Who needs face when you have the emprah.
Enosh
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there multiple orders of inquisition
the xeno one deals primary with well xenos and their main military arm is the deathwatch (space marines that get together from different chapters, paint their armor black, except for one shoulder pad, are formed into kill teams and get really fancy toys to kill aliens with)
ordo hereticus deal with heretics, witches, mutans etc, mostly use Sisters
and malleus are the demon hunters, those have the grey knights
plus some smaller ones that don't really matter, you know it probably has to kinda suck to be one of the inquisitors that has to deal with all of the administratum paperwork, all your buddies are out hunting chaos or aliens but you are in some office reading reports
of course if a chaos cult pops up on a planet a xeno order inquisitor is on he or she will go and deal with this shit
also, just because I found it interesting, the horus heresy "reading order" from wiki looks hilarious ^^
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/English_Horus_heresy_spoiler_free_tree.jpg
who is even in the position to have fun in 40k? most of the places to live are described as being places where you might get murdered for no good reason if you leave the cardboard box that you call a house.
with the notable exception of the orks yes
some of the eldar are space clowns that could make short work of anything the spess marines could throw at them short of a titan
and some of them ride dinosaurs
CouchDweller
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Oh my lord that trailer, i need this in my veins.
Necrons are now Space Egyptian Bots, that change broke my heart. The C'tans are now just a myth kids tell their little brothers at night or something.
They do actually have characters with personalities now though, which would make them more interesting in a campaign setting.
Years of great fluff down the toilet. Dammit Games Workshop.
They do actually have characters with personalities now though, which would make them more interesting in a campaign setting.
Years of great fluff down the toilet. Dammit Games Workshop.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Switching between factions fairly quickly is nice. Less/no Wargear is... less nice. Especially since it sounds like they're toning down the hero flexibility overall as well.
What great fluff? Necrons show up, slaughter people, disappear mysteriously. Repeat x10k. C'tan are still around, the roles just got flipped. Necrons broke their gods. That's pretty metal.
Newcrons>>>>>>Oldcrons. Especially since you still have Oldcrons in the form of corrupted dynasties.
cj_iwakura
Member
Kind of disappointed after watching the trailer... I'm not a fan of any of the three races they picked.
Oh yeah, DLC. $$$.
Oh yeah, DLC. $$$.
FreezerGeezer
Member
Been playing a lot of DoW 1 since this announcement, still just as great as I remember!
The talk of three races seems to always be in the same breath as campaign talk. Here is hoping to at least one more for skirmish + multiplayer.
The talk of three races seems to always be in the same breath as campaign talk. Here is hoping to at least one more for skirmish + multiplayer.
bigboss370
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got damn that was an amazing trailer
cj_iwakura
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Soulstorm was perfect. It had just about EVERYONE. That's why it's my favorite release.
Nikodemos
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Unfortunately it was plagued with bugs (some of which went unfixed until fan packs) and balancing was very iffy (again, until fan packs).
cj_iwakura
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Music in the trailer was done by the same guy who did Dredd. A+ work
Fachasaurus
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Never got into the Dawn Of War series, but would be worth jumping in now?
That trailer got me hyped for no reason...?
That trailer got me hyped for no reason...?
Do you like quality RTS games?