*sigh* You read the rest of that post right? Just because PCs are more powerful does not mean that the PC version will always be graphically superior. That would be like saying the original Tomb Raider from 1996 on a modern high-end PC running in a 4K resolution at 60FPS is graphically superior to the PS3 version of the reboot. The resolution can be as high as it wants to be and the PC can be as powerful as it wants to be but that won't make up for the fact that the original doesn't have bump maps or shaders or high-poly models. Do you understand what I mean? Some of the graphical upgrades they're putting into the Definitive Edition simply aren't in the PC version. Not because the PC wouldn't be able to handle it but simply because they're not in there. It's as simple as that.
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"Definitive Edition" the new HD-Remastering of next-gen?
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*sigh* You read the rest of that post right? Just because PCs are more powerful does not mean that the PC version will always be graphically superior. That would be like saying the original Tomb Raider from 1996 on a modern high-end PC running in a 4K resolution at 60FPS is graphically superior to the PS3 version of the reboot. The resolution can be as high as it wants to be and the PC can be as powerful as it wants to be but that won't make up for the fact that the original doesn't have bump maps or shaders or high-poly models. Do you understand what I mean? Some of the graphical upgrades they're putting into the Definitive Edition simply aren't in the PC version. Not because the PC wouldn't be able to handle it but simply because they're not in there. It's as simple as that.
CadetMahoney
Member
this. $60 for 60fps locked on old games.
Me too. 1080p with sub30 target with plenty framedrops. . . for $60 no thanks.
jacksepticeye
Member
Yep, it's happening.
What's worse is that price and the fact that we don't know if it's 60 or 30fps. It seems like a moderate boost to the last gen versions and no change at all to the PC one
What's worse is that price and the fact that we don't know if it's 60 or 30fps. It seems like a moderate boost to the last gen versions and no change at all to the PC one
Higher resolution and double the framerate VS slightly improved graphical detail.
Actually, the improvements looked pretty damn good to me (especially lighting and shaders). But we'll have to wait for a high-res trailer and some actual gameplay footage to really judge. My point is really just that both versions will have things the other won't so neither one will really be the "best" version. Unless the PC version gets patched with the Definitive upgrades.
Rippa
Member
Definitive being the new HD remaster, yeah, I think so. That being the case give me "Definitve Editions" 1080p/60fps of;
Assassins Creed Series
Batman Arkham Trilogy
BioShock Infinite
Dead Space Trilogy
God of War III
GTA V
Infamous 1 & 2
Killzone 2 & 3
The Last of Us
Uncharted Trilogy
I'd gladly double dip for all of them!
Assassins Creed Series
Batman Arkham Trilogy
BioShock Infinite
Dead Space Trilogy
God of War III
GTA V
Infamous 1 & 2
Killzone 2 & 3
The Last of Us
Uncharted Trilogy
I'd gladly double dip for all of them!
It feels like that's what all the people against TR Definitive assumes.
I absolutely loved Tomb Raider and would love to see more games I love to get this treatment, as everybody says, games like Last of Us. In the case of Tomb Raider, the resources are split between 3 studios and the sequel is definitely coming.
As for the pricing model, it's like GOTY or complete editions that accompany Skyrim, Dead Island, Batman Arkham, Borderlands, Uncharted 2, 3, Gran Turismo 5, GTA4, Mortal Kombat and the list goes on and on They are all released at full price even though the base version can easily be found at $20 when these complete editions come out. The only game that didn't release at full price at the top of my head is Dragon's Dogma DA. I'm always excited when a complete edition comes out, and I'm even more excited that they added to TR rather than release the PC version with the dlc and call it a day.
If the price offends you that much, just wait for the price to drop. It eventually will.
You missed where one game can be 60fps or more and will continue to be able to support newer hardware for higher resolutions and framerates even 10 years from now while the other game will be locked 30fps and probably won't be playable on PS5.
Also that first game will be $5 on Steam when that second game will release for $60.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
You can't take advantage of the person who has the choice.
Yeah well I hope everyone chooses not to spend $60 on this game or it will signal to every publisher that they can milk gamers for $60 per "Definitive Edition" this whole generation.
Maybe I'm missing something, but does everyone make the same complaints when a GOTY edition comes out for something? Granted, there's just a few multiplayer maps and costumes for the DLC, and they should have included everything - SP map(s?), guns, all costumes - but still. It's the same idea, and at least the graphics options are going from high to ultra, or whatever the case may be. It's not like they the only thing they're doing is throwing everything on one disc a year later.
Currently the game is $30 and they'll probably try to keep it there when this comes out to make this seem like it's not that bad of deal. They see people eating up CoD/BF4 + DLC for $100+ so they know people will dish out money. And it's not like you can go backwards compatible...
Currently the game is $30 and they'll probably try to keep it there when this comes out to make this seem like it's not that bad of deal. They see people eating up CoD/BF4 + DLC for $100+ so they know people will dish out money. And it's not like you can go backwards compatible...
so wait, now when determining which is the best version of a game, FPS, resolution and future support are all that matter now?
If developers are gonna start using "Definitive Edition" versions of games like Tomb Raider, the Bioshock series, the Assassin's Creed series, etc., then they should just use the PC versions.
I'm sure that both Xbox One & PS4 are very capable of handling those versions of games perfectly now.
I'm sure that both Xbox One & PS4 are very capable of handling those versions of games perfectly now.
We got enough crappy "HD Remakes" last gen.
1080p/60fps this gen with better textures, lighting, AA, etc, with the remakes or gtfo, specially if your trying to charge full price. It should have all the bells and whistles.
Im probably going to pick this up at some point since i missed it earlier this year, but idk, maybe it was twitch video compression, but the demo last night looked no different then PS360 footage, imo.
1080p/60fps this gen with better textures, lighting, AA, etc, with the remakes or gtfo, specially if your trying to charge full price. It should have all the bells and whistles.
Im probably going to pick this up at some point since i missed it earlier this year, but idk, maybe it was twitch video compression, but the demo last night looked no different then PS360 footage, imo.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
You guys expecting 60fps for every game this gen are unrealistic.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Wouldn't give nuch on that. The first few comparisons between AC4 this gen/next gen suggested the same. And boy were they wrong.
The higher resolution alone should make the difference quite obvious.
So much this.
I'm not a huge fan of how it's going down with TR (because I played the definitive PC version), but for console only titles I've generally enjoyed HD collections. When they're offered at lower prices.
mangochutney
Member
You don't have to buy it. And if no one does, they won't make them.
It is pretty good for those who didn't get the previous generation version and includes all the DLC. For some it will be a good product, but for someone who played the original when it was released of course you are not going to want to buy it.
It is pretty good for those who didn't get the previous generation version and includes all the DLC. For some it will be a good product, but for someone who played the original when it was released of course you are not going to want to buy it.
I'm all for uprezzed ultra-settings versions of games on new consoles.
If you haven't been using a PC for gaming, console versions of games from 2011-2013 looked downgraded as fuck and "Ultra Editions" will be a nice way for console players to experience these games in all their splendor.
If you haven't been using a PC for gaming, console versions of games from 2011-2013 looked downgraded as fuck and "Ultra Editions" will be a nice way for console players to experience these games in all their splendor.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Do you have a source for the 30fps?
Also, Tomb Raider, the regular version is $50 on steam right now (so without the extras). We can speculate on future prices if you wish but we have no idea when it will drop to $5 on Steam.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
Bullshit, I didn't pay $400 to rebuy old ass games. Waste of time and resources.
Why? Both Xbox One & especially PS4, should be more than powerful enough to run these last gen games in Native 1080p/60 FPS. If not, then something must be very wrong with that.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Can't be sure but you're being sarcastic, right?
fuzzyreactor
Banned
not in the slightest
What's with the Steam version btw? Maybe it's on sale everywhere right now, but it's $30-$40 almost everywhere if you look it up on google.
Winnie the Pimp
Member
Of all the shady cashgrabbing techniques next gen has to offer so far, this seems pretty harmless still lol... 
However, i agree that publishers should definitely NOT get the signal from gamers that this is acceptable!
I, for one, will wait for "FINAL EDITION" the gen after next
However, i agree that publishers should definitely NOT get the signal from gamers that this is acceptable!
I, for one, will wait for "FINAL EDITION" the gen after next
I haven't played much these past 12 months, so I for one welcome these "Definitive Editions". Not sure I'll be buying Tomb Raider, particularly at full price, but I certainly would pay the full amount for GT6, GTA5 and TLOU.
Pricing and value for money is everything.
It must also be quite satisfying for these devs to put out "Definitive Editions", after seeing their vision held back by the limitations of last gen hardware.
Pricing and value for money is everything.
It must also be quite satisfying for these devs to put out "Definitive Editions", after seeing their vision held back by the limitations of last gen hardware.
Like others I really don't have an issue when they come with some improvements, theres a number of games I woukd be fine buying again if they came with all the DLC, TLoU, GTAV, other big name games, from the number of hours I put into it i'd totally buy Skyrim again.
But the price they expect is ridiculous, that $59.99 is totally going to translate into £59.99 here which isnt going to go down well for a nearly year old game.
But the price they expect is ridiculous, that $59.99 is totally going to translate into £59.99 here which isnt going to go down well for a nearly year old game.
Rippa
Member
I'd like to see Red Dead Redemption, Dark/Demon's Souls, and Xcom on that list
Oh most definitive-ly! How could I have forgotten about those gems? So sorry!
King Mac of Furry Frog
Member
what about people who never bought the game?
Succinct Verbosity
Member
Truthfully, I think these games are the result of the past generation dragging on far too long. Video game performance took a huge hit in the last two of three years of the 360's and PS3's life, so we may not see many "new" engines because the previous ones were perfectly acceptable in the previous generation, albeit with a hit to performance. Keeping the same engine whilst transitioning to new hardware means that pretty game will look prettier whilst costs are cut.
Stealthcobra
Member
Message board posters need to realize the mass majority do not care about frame rates
Do yourself a favor.. Buy the PC copy for 8$.. It will be the exact same as the PS4 copy..
Buy it on PC for $5. Don't buy a year old game for $60.
You'll ruin it for the rest of us by telling publishers that we are totally cool with $60 rereleases of old games.
It's $50 now? Because just a couple days ago it was $10. The next Steam sale it will probably be $10 or $5.
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