wesleyshark
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Destiny 2 Reveal Livestream [Over]
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Latvian Hitman
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I'm starting to think that some people were expecting, rather than the 2nd game in the Destiny IP, for Bungie to be revealing the first game in their next IP yesterday...
Trickster
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That's largely because it's possible for people to have criticisms, or have expected something else/more. But still wanna try out the game.
I mean that's pretty much the camp I'm in right now.
In Service
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And in my limited edition physical Ghost the voice lives on......
That said, I think I read an article that said there was now a ghost voice gender toggle, but they could have been confused about another ghost talking.
molnizzle
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The only thing on that list that I expected to carry over was the continuation of the Cabal story. Everything else was fair game to be radically overhauled or outright replaced. That's what I was expecting from a full, numbered sequel that wiped away all progress from the first game. I expected a complete reboot.
That's what I wanted for D1, yes. The issue is I spent hundreds of hours playing D1 and wanting that stuff and never got it. Now I feel burnt out, and more than a little angry at Bungie for not not having the foresight to design this shit properly in the first place.
I'm glad that Bungie finally seems to be delivering the more refined version of D1 that we all wanted in the first place, but man. I wanted more than that. And I expected more than that because of how they positioned this.
At the end of the day they're not doing themselves any favors by calling this Destiny 2 with a giant 2. To me (and to most, I imagine) that sends the message that this is some totally new thing. It's not that at all. At least, not from what we've seen so far.
Jest Chillin
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As I said, as has been said before, not everything was revealed today. However, I also recognize that what there is left to reveal may not actually be much more in substance. So I can understand, as a general idea, the desire to want more.
However Destiny was already a great game. So news that they've fixed what's lacking while adding more, new versions of the things I already thoroughly enjoy is nothing but exciting for me. If there's more, then even better! However I don't understand disappointment at not having a revolutionary change when one wasn't needed to begin with. To me, that type of reaction is akin to simply wanting a game to be something that it isn't. Like asking for the next Street Fighter to be a 3D Fighter rather than a 2D one. Could that be great? Possibly. But that's not what Street Fighter is at its current core and is far more likely for me to not like it than it sticking to what it is now.
FWIW Street Fighter did try 3D once. And it was abysmal.
May have been confusion with the planet that the Strike takes place on having it's own AI and voice.
wesleyshark
Banned
Not sure if i should tag this but
In the strike gameplay, there's a female AI who also interacts with Ghost and Zavala. I think she's some kind of planetary-based construct. Maybe they are confusing that as a being a female ghost?
I see an article listing a helmet toggle as part of the settings menu. This was probably already mentioned, but just in case it wasn't: http://www.dualshockers.com/destiny-2-pc-settings-video-controls-accessibility/
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
not really. i'm a hardcore destiny fan and i fully understand people being disappointed/underwhelmed with the reveal. i'm holding hope they held off some big guns for e3, however unlikely that is, but yeah..
molnizzle
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I believe this was already in D1, unless this toggle is for outside of social spaces too.
Far more positive.
They'd probably sell less copies though.
"When are we getting a real sequel and not this expansion garbage, waaaaaah"
In the strike you do hear the ghost talking to a female ai that's with zavala
That's a good point.
Herp Derpington
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I can understand your concerns and I will say that it does feel like a natural extension of the first game. For some this is exactly what they wanted; for others not so much. That's fine though because it's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. I guess we have to accept that the game is what it is at this point. There are probably going to be some changes given this is a first look and we haven't even played the beta yet. Still for those that were expecting some massive change to something totally different than what we got before either expectations should have been kept in check or just enjoy what we're getting and hope they grow the game in the ways you were wanting it to grow.
Good talk.
wesleyshark
Banned
Heavily reminded me of 031 Exuberant Witness from Halo 5
Things like adventures, lost sectors and quests/npcs integrated into the world intrigue me and that's something that I wanted in the original.
Also I wanted armoured vehicles and it seems to be the case going by the bits of footage which included a tank. It looks like a nice evolution of Destiny but I'd be lying if I said I wanted a bit more. I'm still going to play it though.
Also I wanted armoured vehicles and it seems to be the case going by the bits of footage which included a tank. It looks like a nice evolution of Destiny but I'd be lying if I said I wanted a bit more. I'm still going to play it though.
Trickster
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You say that as if sequels without a number behind them gets a free pass
I do want to know why instanced 4v4 Crucible matches are unable to run at 60 fps for consoles. Seems like the engine still isn't the best if they can't do that.
I'll be playing on PC so it won't impact me but for console players it would've been nice to at least get that framerate in PvP.
I'll be playing on PC so it won't impact me but for console players it would've been nice to at least get that framerate in PvP.
Herp Derpington
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One thing I've definitely noticed from watching the streamers is that while the game is classic Destiny it feels more Halo-ish than Destiny 1. Just something about it. I wonder if this was intentional.
Latvian Hitman
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I think the proof will be in the pudding. The biggest issue most had with vanilla Destiny at launch was the lack of a campaign story and a lack of content. You can't really address those things at an unveil beyond saying, "It's better now, you'll see!"
After yesterday's event, I'm seeing a lot of: "Well, it just looks like more Destiny."
Yeah. That's what the community told Bungie it wanted. Not just more Destiny, but A LOT more Destiny.
We're not going to really know if they've delivered that until September.
RSB
Banned
Meh. I've been watching some gameplay videos and my main problem with Destiny is still there (awful accuracy and movement speed penalties for everything)
Oh well, I will still get the game when the Complete Edition releases in a couple of years. Those accuracy penalties will still bother me (they bother me in every true ADS shooter) but at least it will have a ton of content by then.
BTW, do we know anything about new vehicles? Will they add flying vehicles, or vehicles for more than one person at least?
Oh well, I will still get the game when the Complete Edition releases in a couple of years. Those accuracy penalties will still bother me (they bother me in every true ADS shooter) but at least it will have a ton of content by then.
BTW, do we know anything about new vehicles? Will they add flying vehicles, or vehicles for more than one person at least?
What are you basing this off of?
neoism
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lol there is no next ip bungie is destiny's developer for the next 10 years
crossposting: Interview with the Destiny 2 PC Lead:
http://www.pcgamer.com/how-bungie-plans-to-make-destiny-2-on-pc-legit-on-day-one/
I found this pretty interesting:
http://www.pcgamer.com/how-bungie-plans-to-make-destiny-2-on-pc-legit-on-day-one/
I found this pretty interesting:
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
I'll agree that it's disappointing to see the game looks very much the same without any impressive upgrades, and I can also see how many would be disappointed in that. I personally would've been happy with 3 new classes (and weapons and strikes and raids, etc) and mostly the same assets from the first game, but it doesn't even look like we're getting that.
Could this have something to do with development time? I haven't read every reply in these 90 pages, but I know Bungie had a contract where they HAD to release this game THIS year no matter what. So doesn't that in many ways constrain what was possible? Building a new engine while making new areas, planets, classes, etc would've likely been a MASSIVE untertaking given their development time. And tweaking the formula too much could've been a very risky move for a proven and profitable IP.
Let me be very clear -- I am not making excuses for Bungie, and I'm personally quite underwhelmed by the reveal. I'm just trying to make sense out of things and see the bigger picture of why we're getting a game that's way more iterative than most people, including myself, would've liked. Thoughts?
Could this have something to do with development time? I haven't read every reply in these 90 pages, but I know Bungie had a contract where they HAD to release this game THIS year no matter what. So doesn't that in many ways constrain what was possible? Building a new engine while making new areas, planets, classes, etc would've likely been a MASSIVE untertaking given their development time. And tweaking the formula too much could've been a very risky move for a proven and profitable IP.
Let me be very clear -- I am not making excuses for Bungie, and I'm personally quite underwhelmed by the reveal. I'm just trying to make sense out of things and see the bigger picture of why we're getting a game that's way more iterative than most people, including myself, would've liked. Thoughts?
Latvian Hitman
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molnizzle
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I still don't really get how it works. If I have a hand cannon, can I use it in either the primary or secondary slotor does it still drop with a locked elemental type that places it into one of those slots automatically?
Same here.
This also means that Snipers, Fusion Rifles and Shotguns can remain powerful because they're Power weapons along with Rocket and Grenade Launchers. It's a good change from what I can tell without playing it yet.
That I'm not sure of. I would guess it's the latter.
wesleyshark
Banned
As someone who has always struggled with deciding on what primary to use, having two primary slots is fantastic haha
I don't really think it does, since they take whatever location they choose and turn it into the kind of environment they want to make. So Venus has jungles and research academies, Mars has abandoned cities and underground subway systems, the Moon giant hollowed out ritual sites used by space wizards, etc.
That is carrying over to the new locations. I do hope we expand beyond our solar system and stuff starts to get really weird, but I'm glad we're pushing further out.
Weapons that do kinetic damage go in one slot, and weapons that do elemental damage go in the other. You can have an elemental and kinetic hand cannon (fed, presumably, but separate ammo streams). So if you want to rock all hand cannons, you'd use your kinetic one on unshielded enemies and whip out the elemental when an enemy susceptible to it turns up.
JohnOfMars
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Allow me to pitch it in a more deliberate justification of the "Bigass 2"
- Four new zones, previous expansions only had one
- Bigger zones, European Dead Zone is 2x as big as Cosmodrome
- Patrol has NPCs dungeons and mini-missions now
- "Bigger story and post-game story" (gotta take their word for it)
- Total reworking of weapon system (double primary and power slots)
- 3 new subclasses, significant reworking of remaining ones (look at this new Striker super)
- New class abilities (Cover, Auras and Sidestep) regardless of sublcass
- INT/DIS/STR have been removed and Armor, Agility, Recovery is reworked
- New end-game matchmaking
There are other improvements like Patrol Map, Public Event timers, Going to orbit, a full
Records tab, in-game Grimoire, removing artifacts (thank the Lord) that could be considered "expansion-tier", but the rest of that stuff is way out of scope for a Destiny Expansion.
All that stuff I'm SUPER excited for. But watching these gameplay videos is actually my concern.
- TITAN SKATING IS GONE! WHAT THE HELL!
- And the guns look like they handle like ass still. So much recoil. Why can't guns feel good in Destiny?
- Hand cannons take more than 3 seconds to reload. Not even joking, look:
- The strike is pretty, but boy howdy is it LONG with tons of just running between small encounters. Looks tedious to replay.
ByWatterson
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I'm not sure what is so confusing regarding the disappointed folks. I'm one of them, and I put in about 1000 hours into the original game.
Destiny was promised as some grand adventure, and it wasn't that at all, but rather a hub game with loading screen seams connecting everything - with massive issues unrelated to its failure to deliver on its central . The disappointed folks were hoping that Destiny 2 would not simply fix the glaring issues that Destiny had, but deliver on the original central promise.
In terms of volume, sure, this looks like 2-3 years worth of work. But the original vision that was scrapped has not been revived. Instead, the exact same grouping of systems, loot chasing, and collecting. The only new ideas are how they've decided to deliver you the old ones. Throw on the objectively marginal graphical improvement, and the feeling of "been there, done that" really starts to sink in.
It's immensely disappointing.
Destiny was promised as some grand adventure, and it wasn't that at all, but rather a hub game with loading screen seams connecting everything - with massive issues unrelated to its failure to deliver on its central . The disappointed folks were hoping that Destiny 2 would not simply fix the glaring issues that Destiny had, but deliver on the original central promise.
In terms of volume, sure, this looks like 2-3 years worth of work. But the original vision that was scrapped has not been revived. Instead, the exact same grouping of systems, loot chasing, and collecting. The only new ideas are how they've decided to deliver you the old ones. Throw on the objectively marginal graphical improvement, and the feeling of "been there, done that" really starts to sink in.
It's immensely disappointing.
ToyMachine228
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I don't know why so many people request this. It's already in Destiny.
molnizzle
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Hand cannons take more than 3 seconds to reload. Not even joking, look:
To be fair, hand cannon reload can be pretty brutal in D1 too without the right combo of weapon perks/class abilities/armor perks.
The clan stuff seems like a great idea with how they're integrating it in-game so as to let solo players still get in on all the content without throwing them to the matchmaking wolves.
I liked my time in 1 and it was still Bungie gunplay brillance, Halo was my favorite fps franchise of all time and Bungie still makes their gunplay better than anyone.
I never got to do a raid or nightfall though so I'm eager to give D2 a shot when it comes out. You could only strike, patrol, and pvp for so long in D1.
I liked my time in 1 and it was still Bungie gunplay brillance, Halo was my favorite fps franchise of all time and Bungie still makes their gunplay better than anyone.
I never got to do a raid or nightfall though so I'm eager to give D2 a shot when it comes out. You could only strike, patrol, and pvp for so long in D1.
Jaguar Victory
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So am I understanding correctly that we're not getting a new class?
HiredN00bs
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I'm really pissed Destiny 2 is a 30fps console first-person shooter, I was really hoping for a hybrid turn-based strategy and puzzle-fighting game at 120 frames per second.
In all seriousness, I thought the presentation was solid and I like all the proposed design changes: 4v4 crucible, reducing the amount of one hit kill weapons in play, improving readability, larger world spaces, more effects, social engineering, clan progression with incentive systems for in-game LFG, less downtime between activities. I'm very excited to actually play some.
In all seriousness, I thought the presentation was solid and I like all the proposed design changes: 4v4 crucible, reducing the amount of one hit kill weapons in play, improving readability, larger world spaces, more effects, social engineering, clan progression with incentive systems for in-game LFG, less downtime between activities. I'm very excited to actually play some.
Nothing was shown to indicate we are. I would think they would have shown it yesterday if that was an addition to the design.
wesleyshark
Banned
Edit: misread haha
seems that way
JetBlackPanda
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I was just having this conservation with a co-worker
Destiny: Homecoming would have been perfect.
you can tell this is 100% an expansion in the vein of WOW
RecRoulette
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The "glitch" at the end of one of the missions where the voice switches back to Dinklage made me redownload the game again. Terrible how they just tried to erase him from history
JohnOfMars
Banned
Correct. However, all 3 classes are getting one of their elemental subclasses replaced:
- Titan (Void) Defeder -> Sentinel
- Warlock (Solar) Sunsinger -> Dawnblade
- Hunter (Arc) Bladedancer -> Poledancer (sorry, sorry, it's atually the Arcstrider)
Jaguar Victory
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I kind of liked the powerful criticals some weapons allowed. Hand cannons aren't the same if you have to land 3 to 5 headshots to drop a guy. It made encounters more strategic instead of "hold down the right trigger and keep the reticle on your opponent". I'm reserving judgement though. We'll see.
RecRoulette
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Highly unlikely. That bugs me too. They announced three new(ish) subclasses, and you're resetting everything anyway, why not just build those three subclasses into another class instead of changing three existing ones (RIP Bladedancer)
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