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Destiny PS4 Timed Exclusives will last until "At least Fall 2015"
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Shin
Banned
This pretty much, sure it might "suck" if this turns out to be true.
But at the same time people didn't have a problem with it during the X360/PS3 era, hell they probably decided to go with X and Z platform because of some extra content so I don't get why it's a problem now.
Hell with parity and every game has to be exactly the same, I see these things as an incentive to buy a specific console.
No complains from me, whichever console has the best version of said game is the one I'll be buying the game on.
Drac84
Member
Getting on PS4 so this doesn't affect me, but it's an awfully long time to remain exclusive. Surey a month or two is long enough? In the launch month you want players to buy the game on your system, and recommend it to their friends on your system. The point of exclusive content is to convince people that have both systems to buy on your platform, and for people that are buying a next-gen system specifically to play this game to buy your system. After a few months there isn't really any pont to exclusivity. Whole thing is a bit bizarre.
simply, a publisher isn't going to fund a game if they don't like the concept. They would either want to alter or bail.
Nocturno999
Member
Well, Sony wants to spread the message that Bungie develops for the PS4, and not only that, they are making the best version for it.
Lame, but very good tactic. Is not like MS didn't use it to death last gen.
Lame, but very good tactic. Is not like MS didn't use it to death last gen.
GuitarAtomik
Member
He's saying in this day and age, it is extremely rare for a publisher to let a dev keep an IP and it's not as easy as just taking it somewhere else (Insomniac have already said they approached Sony but Sony wanted the IP). Taking it somewhere that would could be on the condition of a significantly smaller budget resulting in a significantly different game than originally proposed or on the condition of creative input again resulting in a significantly different game.
Destiny will probably have long legs in terms of sales. People aren't going to just stop buying it after two months. So the differences will count for something for quite a while.
I wonder how many people complaining were on the other side of the fence when Microsoft was doing this sort of thing all the damn time. The GTA episodes come to mind. You still chose to get a 'Bone and we've known for a very long time (over a year) that Destiny would have exclusive content on PS4. So get over it. You were given a choice and you still have a choice. You're not forced to miss out on content. It's an annoying business practice but at least you still get to play the game.
It's interesting that MS decided to "fund" highly-potential titles like Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive. At least with Destiny all gamers still get to play the game, despite the whole exclusive content thing. Its one thing having exclusive first-party titles, and another keeping third-party titles away from a competitor's platform.
Yes, obviously. But I guess you forgot that Zampella and West are heading the game/studio and how EA wants to have the next CoD.
As for the "substantial evidence" bit, I wouldn't call it anything close to that, but sure I guess.
Well if MS publish and funds a game it makes it first-party. Which is what Sunset Overdrive is.
Who says this? Honestly. We aren't animals, you know. 'It's okay, they don't know any better.' It isn't even missing content, it's extra content, of course it'll be 'noticed'. In fact, its exclusivity has already been 'noticed', hence the uproar.
HighResTomato
Member
Should have read the thread.
Night Angel
Member
Jeez, people, this isn't the first time a platform owner has paid for exclusivity of content. Yes, it sucks. Unfortunately, it's a part of life now. If it bothers you enough, don't buy the game. I know I withheld my money from buying CoD DLC because I lost interest in the game before it came out. Shit happens; vote with your wallet if it's so important.
It's not like it's gonna be something amazing or game changing in the first place.
It's not like it's gonna be something amazing or game changing in the first place.
Unless you are joking EL CUCO, stop making me look like an idiot.
Actually no. If MS owns the studio that creates the game, that makes it first party. Insomniac is an independant studio (they're still doing PS4 stuff afterall), so that means Sunset Overdrive is still Third Party, but it's a Third-Party Exclusive.
Steelyuhas
Member
I just kind of assumed it was cause you never saw promotions by MS for Ubi games, either Sony or just Ubi themselves.
Ah, looks like I stand corrected. Division deal for Xbox and Far Cry for PS.
Yeah I mean obviously opinions on a limited test of an incomplete game are just that, and should be taken as such. Heard and seen enough of the gameplay and mechanics personally that I would be shocked if Destiny's PvP is the next big competitive MP game though.
Funny how you neglected to mention Titanfall, where potential PS4 sales were essentially bought out just so MS could keep it as a console exclusive.
Xinkwi-Xkuk
Banned
I'm saying this is standard business practice today. Unless we hear from the people involved in the negotiating table from Bungie we technically will never know.
But for sure it's standard business practice, that paying for timed exclusive content helps against the development cost.
Bungie has been adamant about everyone getting the same experiance. Kind-of-funny when you think about it because PS4 does get some experienced first. But I guess overall everyone will eventually get the same experiance. Obviously Bungie didn't want an exclusive only game, otherwise it would have happened.
And in Bungies case, they were probbly so well funded, what ever Sony paid them for exclusive timing, probbly goes to the general development cost or profit of the game. (smaller houses needing funding might go to the specific extra assets created) it in many ways comes down the negotiating table. Negotiations are very unique, dynamic, fluid, give and take, this is where they ended up on, this was the agreement they settled on. Regardless, the additional investment helps the ROI of any business.
And speaking to the issue of Bungie being so adamant about a similar player experiance across all platforms, I'm surprised more Sony fans have not spoken about the probability of X1 holding back the PS4 in the publicized build of 30fps on each console.
As Bungie stated the extra power from the removal of Kinect allows them to get up to 30fps on X1. Hinting that they were below the 30fps threashold before.
The final build will tell us if they did stick to 30fps on the PS4 build. But I think it safe to assume if X1 is just reaching 30fps, then PS4 should at least get that or more. Perhaps they are just playing it safe with that statement to have no X1 fan backlash? Time will tell.
In this particular case (as each game and each negotiation is a case by case basis) I would not say it would not have ever existed. We don't know for sure unless we were at the negotiating table, or Bungie talks about its business practices.
Could even come down to a bean counter saying "we have enough for this development, but not that development" although Bungie seems far from being ran by bean counters. (It's one of the things so respectable about them is the creative vision seems to drive them most)
The only reason I mention bean counters is to illustrate that companies are different. Showcasing in some instances the exclusive timed content does in-fact allow for other asset development that might not have existed otherwise. (Although for Bungie I'm confident it's not a funding or ROI issue)
From what they have said(Bungie) wanted to entice Playstation audience since they had not been involved with them.
From known history that does sound like PR spin to me, the story behind this development house is facenating, I really hope some writes a book on it one day!
Regurdless, it's still good for gamers IMHO, because all these companies Bungie, MS, Sony etc. they are trying to outdo one another.
Keep showing off I say, keep trying to outdo one another, a company, and an industry that is pushing ill take any day. Versus an industry just trying to please everyone, and treat everyone the same.
Sometimes treating everything the same is boring and the differentiators, the variety is the spice of life IMHO.
No it is not third party would be something like TitanFall. SO is first party or how some people like to say "Second" party
I didn't cause it's not first party
Should look up what "praising" means. I'm not praising these kinds of business moves, I'm just not complaining about it since both sides do it. PS3 owners had to put up with a lot of it last gen. So excuse me if I'm indifferent now that Xbox only owners have to deal with it.
Why do people think that being a market leader gives them any influence over 3rd parties? It might make it easier for them to buy exclusive content like this, but it's ultimately still money and not market share that drives these kind of deals.
So, Sunset Overdrive is a first-party title? Does MS own Insomniac? I wasn't aware of that...
Not at all all it means is that Microsoft has control of the IP or at the very least the first title on the series. Of course publishing rights as well.
Sunset Overdrive is made by Insomianc who is not owned by Microsoft. That makes it a third party exclusive.
I pretty sure that N.Domixis's post was an attempted satire.
Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Beyond Two Souls etc are all Sony first party titles created by third party studios. Same as Sunset Overdrive is a MS first party title created by a third party studio
HighResTomato
Member
noun
1.
the expression of approval or admiration for someone or something.
"the audience was full of praise for the whole production"
synonyms: approval, acclaim, admiration, approbation, acclamation, plaudits, congratulations, commendation, applause, flattery, adulation;
Pretty sure is not sure. I don't have a sarcasm detector at hand I'm afraid.
BRocknRolla
Member
Well, that's certainly a long time if true.
3rd party exclusive games, content, anything really, are a shame. But I will say, it's nice to be on the side that's getting the console exclusive stuff for once... I've picked the underdog the last two gens so I'm used to being on the other side.
3rd party exclusive games, content, anything really, are a shame. But I will say, it's nice to be on the side that's getting the console exclusive stuff for once... I've picked the underdog the last two gens so I'm used to being on the other side.
You do know that it does not need to be a first party studio, to be first party right? Not all first party games are made by in-house studios
This!
I expect the money Sony has to pay for co marketing this to be insane, so at least they (arguably) didn't get shafted.
This happens a lot with the really big games - the first GTA IV dlc took over a year to come to PS3 and the Fifa Ultimate Team stuff MS is paying for never comes to other platforms, as does the "exclusive PS gameplay hour" in the Assassin's Creed franchise.
It sucks for the consumer, that's no debate.
This happens a lot with the really big games - the first GTA IV dlc took over a year to come to PS3 and the Fifa Ultimate Team stuff MS is paying for never comes to other platforms, as does the "exclusive PS gameplay hour" in the Assassin's Creed franchise.
It sucks for the consumer, that's no debate.
HORRORSHØW
Member
i think this might be the case, too. maybe we should all wait until actual information comes out on how this timed exclusivity works. people were surprised when ps4's early beta access was a mere 4 days sooner than the xbox's.
I see, point taken.
I asked you to look it up and understand what it means, not post it. But okay, thanks!
"I'm not complaining about something" does not indicate approval.
Welcome to NeoGaf. Get a better sarcasm meter or you are going to get trolled hard.
Yep.
In the grand scheme of things unless you are a diehard fan these exclusives are going to be nothing more than a marketing tool for Sony.
I probably won't even notice the difference on the PS4 version.
HighResTomato
Member
Posted it for you to read since you seem to not know what you are saying. Your flattery and commendation of exclusive content for "the best version" is obvious.
Night Angel
Member
These need to be implemented on all posts. No one will ever fall for sarcasm again and neogaf will be stronger for it.
This is a joke.
The Lamonster
Member
Glad I'm getting this, then!
Look at what you have done HighResTomato. We have to come back to a thread just to make it clear that something we posted earlier was sarcasm. We have to put disclaimers just so everyone knows when we are making jokes. Poor form HighResTomato, poor form.
I'm just pulling you leg HighResTomato.
WonderCheese
Banned
I'm getting it on PS4 but this is just dumb.
InsaneTiger
Member
Kinda of like CoD and Assassin's Creed Unity for Xbox.
Exclusive third pary games and DLC are stupid.
He called his own post bullshit with a smiley face just a few posts later:
Bullshit.
Edit: And just confirmed it himself above
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
With some of the responses here you'd think the game was only releasing on PS4.
I don't see how this is any different from any other timed DLC. It's just longer.
The choice of which platform to buy the game on, or whether to buy it at all, rests with the consumer. If a few weapons, armour sets and missions are important to you then the choice is a lot easier.
I don't see how this is any different from any other timed DLC. It's just longer.
The choice of which platform to buy the game on, or whether to buy it at all, rests with the consumer. If a few weapons, armour sets and missions are important to you then the choice is a lot easier.
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