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Deus Ex: Mankind Divided PC performance thread
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Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
FPS is all over the place in Prague during curfew, especially around the second station (the one in the middle of the map) with lots of people in cages and cops walking around. I've drops to mid 30s there for Christ's sake. Fix this shit Nixxes!
Unknown Soldier
Member
I'm just glad that MSI Afterburner now works in DX12 so I can see this really curious and mysterious "bug" which causes "performance regressions on some high-end cards" (read: gimped on Nvidia because only they sell "high-end cards") for myself.
Since which version?
4.3.0 Beta 14
zombipuppy
Member
Uh, you should probably spoiler tag some parts of that.
Unknown Soldier
Member
All over the ship, dancing through the wreckage of the DX12 computer core, JEN-HSUN WAS LAUGHING
http://techreport.com/review/30639/...x-12-performance-in-deus-ex-mankind-divided/3
So far we're 0-for-whatever on DX12 titles actually providing a better experience on anybody's hardware. The DX12 revolution is in full swing y'all
http://techreport.com/review/30639/...x-12-performance-in-deus-ex-mankind-divided/3
So far we're 0-for-whatever on DX12 titles actually providing a better experience on anybody's hardware. The DX12 revolution is in full swing y'all
This is just a beta, I'm sure this will all be fixed in the full version! (not)
Thanks a lot. I have automatic check for updates, check for beta version option enabled, and it still tells me that there is no new version (I am on beta 4). Weird.
Thanks a lot. I have automatic check for updates, check for beta version option enabled, and it still tells me that there is no new version (I am on beta 4). Weird.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Eh, I got tired of waiting for a real performance patch which probably won't ever come and just finished the game. It's a good game but the technical quality is so lacking. It's actually a very good looking game when the graphics aren't glitching out everywhere. We'll never know if the game could have been technically better as an Nvidia sponsored product but I guess it doesn't matter now.
It's going on the shelf for now, maybe in a few months after some more patches, I'll try another playthrough.
It's going on the shelf for now, maybe in a few months after some more patches, I'll try another playthrough.
paperspace
Member
What's your OS?This is just a beta, I'm sure this will all be fixed in the full version! (not)
Thanks a lot. I have automatic check for updates, check for beta version option enabled, and it still tells me that there is no new version (I am on beta 4). Weird.
grandwizard
Member
I don't understand how they have people testing this on m/kb and then ship the game without being able to change walking from toggle to hold :/
You need to walk in, like, 3 sections of this game. It approaches 0 if you have the wireless hacking.
That particular mechanic has been so consistently useless and underutilized in this series(and not to mention poorly explained) that I don't understand why they didn't drop that stuff altogether.
Win7. Does the automatic update work on win10?
grandwizard
Member
Huh? It's more about not running around at full speed when navigating small environments and searching for PDAs in closets and stuff. The way Human Revolution handled it was perfect, a lot about the movement and controls just felt much better in that game.
Pagusas
Elden Member
What? I walk 99.9% of the game. I play on a Xbox One controller like I imagine most people do though. I always play no-kill ghost
I guess I could see wanting a little more granularity while rummaging through office junk, but if it wasn't for the rare mine, I don't think barely anyone would even be aware of the existence of the walk key.
You did not play through 99% of the game at walk speed. We're talking about the literal equivalent of barely pushing your analog stick in.
This is just a beta, I'm sure this will all be fixed in the full version! (not)
Thanks a lot. I have automatic check for updates, check for beta version option enabled, and it still tells me that there is no new version (I am on beta 4). Weird.
The in program update doesn't show the latest revision yet. Download it directly from here.
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html
Pagusas
Elden Member
wait there is more than walk/run? I mean I know its a gradual change in speed, but I never ran anywhere except in the very last objective to get the best ending.
paperspace
Member
How much RAM-usage are people seeing?
I thought 32GB could help with the stuttering, but it most certainly doesn't. It's still hovering around 7GB.
I thought 32GB could help with the stuttering, but it most certainly doesn't. It's still hovering around 7GB.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
Around that for me too. It creeps up to 9 but always fell back down.
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
I thought my 2GB card (960 GTX) was holding my performance back, but I just upgraded my CPU from an i3-2100 to an i5-6500, and what a difference!
Even with a 2GB card I'm playing the game pretty much locked at 60fps with the following settings, with dips no lower than 45fps in certain hot spots, like the middle of TF29 and a couple of areas in Prague.
Fullscreen: On
Exclusive Fullscreen: On
Resolution: 1680x1050
MSAA: Off
Refresh Rate: 60 Hz
VSync: Triple Buffering
Stereoscopic 3D: Off
Texture Quality: High
Texture Filtering: 16x Anisotropic
Shadow Quality: Medium
Ambient Occlusion: On
Contact Hardening Shadows: Off
Parallax Occlusion Mapping: On
Depth of Field: Off
Level of Detail: High
Volumetric Lighting: Off
Screenspace Reflections: On
Temporal Anti-Aliasing: On
Motion Blur: Off
Sharpen: On
Bloom: On
Cloth Physics: On
Subsurface Scattering: On
Chromatic Aberration: Off
Tessellation: Off
Very happy about this. My 960 still fighting hard!
Even with a 2GB card I'm playing the game pretty much locked at 60fps with the following settings, with dips no lower than 45fps in certain hot spots, like the middle of TF29 and a couple of areas in Prague.
Fullscreen: On
Exclusive Fullscreen: On
Resolution: 1680x1050
MSAA: Off
Refresh Rate: 60 Hz
VSync: Triple Buffering
Stereoscopic 3D: Off
Texture Quality: High
Texture Filtering: 16x Anisotropic
Shadow Quality: Medium
Ambient Occlusion: On
Contact Hardening Shadows: Off
Parallax Occlusion Mapping: On
Depth of Field: Off
Level of Detail: High
Volumetric Lighting: Off
Screenspace Reflections: On
Temporal Anti-Aliasing: On
Motion Blur: Off
Sharpen: On
Bloom: On
Cloth Physics: On
Subsurface Scattering: On
Chromatic Aberration: Off
Tessellation: Off
Very happy about this. My 960 still fighting hard!
Just tested this on my current system with everything turned up and settings on Ultra @ 1080p and got a whopping 9.8fps! The only thing I turned off was motion blur because fuck motion blur.
My system:
OS: Windows 10 64-bit (Anniversary Update)
Nvidia Driver: 372.70
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H
CPU: i5 4570
GPU: GIGABYTE GTX780
RAM: 8GB G.SKILL DDR3 @1600MHz
Just bought a 1070 and another 8GB of RAM. Will I be able to max this game out and achieve a solid 60fps? If not, what's a recommended setting?
My system:
OS: Windows 10 64-bit (Anniversary Update)
Nvidia Driver: 372.70
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H
CPU: i5 4570
GPU: GIGABYTE GTX780
RAM: 8GB G.SKILL DDR3 @1600MHz
Just bought a 1070 and another 8GB of RAM. Will I be able to max this game out and achieve a solid 60fps? If not, what's a recommended setting?
RamaTheVoice
Member
Turn off Contact Hardening Shadows and MSAA, Volumetric lighting on High instead of Ultra.
I7 6700K
1080
32GB
144Hz Gsync
80 FPS average maxed out with 2x MSAA enabled (Necessary to avoid the shimmering with Very High AO) and no Contact Hardening cuz they are bugged as far as I know. Without MSAA i'm hovering around 100 FPS. No hitching, stuttering or something similar
1080
32GB
144Hz Gsync
80 FPS average maxed out with 2x MSAA enabled (Necessary to avoid the shimmering with Very High AO) and no Contact Hardening cuz they are bugged as far as I know. Without MSAA i'm hovering around 100 FPS. No hitching, stuttering or something similar
Cannon Goose
Member
So they had to make a fix in order to implement one of the most basic benefits of DX12.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
Except it's not a benefit to just be implemented like that.
The benefit of DX12 is to open up the possibility to do that.
To do that successfully is another thing entirely.
Well, yeah, but why even bother with DX12 support if you are not going to utilize it's biggest benefit. Especially since there is absolutely no visual difference between DX11 and DX12 (which is also curious, as far I remember there always were some visual benefit in new DX version - Far Cry 4, Bioshock, Company of Heroes, Deus Ex Human Revolution, etc).
lordfuzzybutt
Member
We have to start somewhere, don't we? Nixxes, as well as many other developers, are still learning the rope of DX12. They now have to deal with a lot more heavy lifting stuff that drivers used to do for them. As far as I remember, DX11 early games were kind of the same. Not every dev is as proficient as ID Software.
Regarding visual improvements, I think now that we are in a phase in which technical advancements, despite being more and more complicated, are not as easy to wow us as they were before, plus the difficulty to make everything work, it makes sense that they will focus more on the performance side of things.
Things will pick up, in terms of visual and performance, obviously. I just hope it's sooner rather than later.
Regarding this patch, specifically, it messes up my shadows, making it flicker in a lot of places.
Back to DX11 it is.
Regarding visual improvements, I think now that we are in a phase in which technical advancements, despite being more and more complicated, are not as easy to wow us as they were before, plus the difficulty to make everything work, it makes sense that they will focus more on the performance side of things.
Things will pick up, in terms of visual and performance, obviously. I just hope it's sooner rather than later.
Regarding this patch, specifically, it messes up my shadows, making it flicker in a lot of places.
Back to DX11 it is.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Well yes, but not all of them. DiRT 2 (the best DiRT game in my opinion) for example at a time did run very well on my PC back then with DX11 enabled.
So um.... do we still need to use beta build to use DX12 or it's not necessary anymore?
CyberPunked
Member
Is DX12 released into the main build yet?
lordfuzzybutt
Member
Obviously, I am not saying all early DX11 games were like that.
We have DOOM, albeit with Vulkan, has a very good implementation.
Then we have Rise of the Tomb Raider, which as far as I read, is now performing better than DX11.
My point is we just need to wait for it.
You guys still need the beta branch.
terencecah
Member
can anyone with NVidia (980ti' sli) chime in on their dx12 performance?
I never had better fps using dx12 in hitman and tomb raider.
at this point in time I don't think I should even bother.
I never had better fps using dx12 in hitman and tomb raider.
at this point in time I don't think I should even bother.
21:9 was largely OK for me with icon placement during the fist play through (i7 2600k; GTX 1080) aside from a few cutscenes where Jensen is clearly supposed to be off the 16:9 viewable area but his disembodied floating eyeballs, gums and teeth are clearly still in the 21:9 frame
I did get a few annoying glitches when messing around up high in Prague, most noticeably leaving and entering Jensen's apartment or other top floor spaces where I'd get a couple of completely white frames if I made the inside / outside transition rapidly. Probably something to do with the lighting.
I've now updated my machine and with everything cranked up I now get 15fps! Hooray! (see below)
I turned off a few of the settings as per above and managed to get a steady 49.1 fps.
Is this benchmark accurate in terms of in game performance? What do I turn off to hit 60fps? Volumetric lighting only had 3 options (off, on & Ultra)
Also, I can't select the DX12 box for some reason?
OS: Windows 10 64-bit (Anniversary Update)
Nvidia Driver: 372.70
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H
CPU: i5 4570
GPU: GIGABYTE GTX1070
RAM: 16GB G.SKILL DDR3 @1600MHz
EDIT: Turned on 'exclusive fullscreen' and got it upto 58.1fps! (avg)
what do I need to get it to stay above 60fps?
lordfuzzybutt
Member
The benchmark is more heavy than the actual game so just play the game instead.
You need to opt in the dx12 beta branch on Steam to enable dx12.
Ok so I probably don't need to adjust my settings then?
Judging from the comments sounds like DX12 isn't worth it, is that accurate?
Unknown Soldier
Member
They're obviously never going to fix the "bug" which reduces the performance of "certain high-end cards" because gimping Nvidia isn't a bug, it's a feature amirite
ss_lemonade
Member
Crysis 1 had no difference between dx9 and dx10 right? I think dx10 was heavier to run too.
Unknown Soldier
Member
DX10 in Crysis 1 was used to improve graphical effects, not performance.
Up until DX12, all successive DX versions were to improve graphics capability. DX12 is the first version of DX ever which is focused on changing the underlying API design and offers no graphical improvements nor is it meant to.
The problem is that high-level APIs exist for a reason, no one thinks that switching to low-level APIs which represent more work for devs and which require considerably more optimization and careful programming to be done will magically double performance in games.
On consoles with a fixed hardware target in the hands of developers with extensive experience on this single piece of hardware, it's possible to squeeze out performance improvements that wouldn't otherwise be possible with low-level APIs. On PCs with their nearly infinite number of configurations? Sure maybe if you're Id Software. Everyone else is probably going to be getting what we're seeing with DX12 titles so far, which is almost nothing when gains are had and sometimes performance loss, not gain.
exmachina64
Banned
Perhaps a more cynical take is that developers have to start using DX12 in a production environment and while you might not see a benefit in early games, the knowledge gained will be used later to a more obvious benefit.
No one's going to come out and say "Don't use this mode," because the expense has to be justified to a publisher.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
Well, not for most at the moment. Not sure how your rig will fare so just test it if you want.
If I were you, I would play normally one or two times with DX11 first, to get the feel of performance and visuals, then switch to DX12, see if anything changes.
As mentioned in OP, there is one more settings that you should take a look at that is Tessellation, which when in used together with TAA will introduce smearing in faces. Tessellation is more CPU heavy and sometimes can introduce weird visual bugs so it can be the next thing to turn off in your case.