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DF Retro: Doom - Every Console Port Tested!
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nkarafo
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I remember hating DOOM 64 the first time because of the monster redesigns and the lack of reload animations in the shotguns. Especially the latter. These animations were the coolest thing for me in the OG DOOM 1 and 2. And i'm pretty sure they did it not to save space (it's just 2 or 3 tiny frames) but to make it look more like Quake 1 which was more "trendy" at the time. Too bad it had the ugliest looking weapons though.
I still got the game and finished it though. But it still bothers me a bit. Is there a way to add them in any of the PC homebrew ports?
I still got the game and finished it though. But it still bothers me a bit. Is there a way to add them in any of the PC homebrew ports?
Patrick Young
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Another fine feature.
I'd love another video about Doom with exactly what was teased at the end. A few years ago I finished ZDoom in 16:9 with a controller and it looked beautiful. I never played Brutal Doom at the time but I'm sure it's great now.
I'd love another video about Doom with exactly what was teased at the end. A few years ago I finished ZDoom in 16:9 with a controller and it looked beautiful. I never played Brutal Doom at the time but I'm sure it's great now.
Daffy Duck
Member
I remember wanting an Atari Jaguar for this game alone.
I wonder, what the story behind Doom 64? I'm sure Nintendo was actually desperate to get one of the biggest of all time on their console. But after the story of Saturn's version. I think that the PSX's pseudo triangle-based 3D was more suitable for a direct port than the N64. Would a direct ported deviated much from Id's vision, so a new game was crafted?
TheMagician
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Maybe, although regardless, Doom 64 looks much better than Doom on Playstation.
The N64 was relatively so much more powerful and interesting that Carmack (even though it's officially a Midway dev project) worked on it to make it the first hardware-accelerated Doom.
I mean, the PSX (and Saturn) didn't even have a goddamn Z-Buffer. The N64 was the first home console with that. That alone allows much more scene complexity since you don't have to do a weird brute-force method of rendering the scene.
For a very small window of time, the N64 even had features you couldn't get on consumer level PC graphics hardware. If the damn thing hadn't had it's stupid texture resolution limitation due to a 'feature' on the hardware and was CD-based, the gap between it and the PSX would be even more apparent. Hell, it shipped with twice the RAM of the PSX standard.. and then they released the Expansion Pak that doubled the total RAM on top of that.
I thought Carmack would have been infuriated by N64's idiosyncracies like small texture cache and needing custom microcode.
mentioned that in the edit
but yeah, N64 was some nice hardware at the time ultimately held back by Nintendo not being a software middleware company
Looks neat, but I like how that trailer had to clarify that the thing swinging from the shotgun wasn't a testicle, 'cause that's sure as fuck what I thought it was. They should probably just remove that...
Great video. Very informative as I've always wondered about the other ports of Doom. Loved the props given to the N64 version as that is a lovely game that is absolutely worth playing.
Shame about the BD dev being a piece of shit (hiding racist comments in the code, then there's when he didn't give the people who worked on his mod proper credit, and proudly detailing how he snuck in actual images of gore into the gibs).
He mentions source ports and mods and even shows footage from Brutal Doom with the mention that they may be the focus of a future video.
Shame about the BD dev being a piece of shit (hiding racist comments in the code, then there's when he didn't give the people who worked on his mod proper credit, and proudly detailing how he snuck in actual images of gore into the gibs).
Like the hat?
Banned
Terrible video! Now doom 64 is going to go up in price before I have been able to snag a copy!
Great work as always, DF.
Great work as always, DF.
Theslammer
Member
I misread this the other day and thought it was a regular DF about all 2016 Dooms, including the upcoming Switch one.
But now I just realized it's the long-awaited DF Retro. Sweet! Gonna watch the minute I get home from work.
But now I just realized it's the long-awaited DF Retro. Sweet! Gonna watch the minute I get home from work.
chalkitdown1
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Only thing wrong with Doom 64 was how bloody dark it was. You had to go into the game's options and turn the brightness all the way up to see anything. And then you had to turn the brightness up on the tv as well.
Don't they port the game to a modern api (OpenGL) for the newer effects?
I've never played these mods before, I'm making assumptions.
Naked Snake
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Doom at 60 fps on the Saturn would've been a sight to behold
i don't particularly like the fudgey plasticine looking enemies either. i realize that's exactly how the original sprites were created back in the day, but they had such low res sprite work you couldn't really pick out details. N64 looks so comparatively clean it just looks a bit comedic.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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This is probably my favourite episode of the series thus far, but I'm wondering if chronological ordering of the ports (versus playability) would've been better to underline how important that Atari Jaguar port was to everything that came after it.
Daffy Duck
Member
Amazing video, thank you for that!
Although when I got to the end it got me wanting more about Doom.
Any other documentaries about it?
Although when I got to the end it got me wanting more about Doom.
Any other documentaries about it?
Correctomundo
Member
Well that just made me want to play Doom again. Looks like I'm busting out the PS1 version when I get home from work.
S3s were first gen windows accelerators and already had plenty of bandwidth to run Doom - prior VGA cards for most part - did not. It's been too long ago to remember all the specifics -Renekton said:
but chances were if you used an ISA interface card it was bottle-necked from reaching more than 20fps in full-screen, and even some PCI cards had Ram setup that nerfed performance considerably.
Amazing video, thank you for that!
Although when I got to the end it got me wanting more about Doom.
Any other documentaries about it?
There's a great novel that goes into the creation of Doom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_of_Doom
ISee
Member
No shit. I thought it was the N3DS port.
It's still part of the doom legacy.
WoW... had no idea about that.
Well at least that was obvious to you, unlike the point of this video which is to analyze console ports of Doom.
sixteen-bit
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Any chance for a Doom64 unlock bonus in Switch Doom?
spookyfish
Member
I'd love Doom 64 for the Switch virtual console! Oh, wait ....
I should buy before the 360 store end its service forever.
They literally sold me a 360 for 20 so I'll grab this version too.
KainXVIII
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None?
ISee
Member
DF retro has a history of talking about new ways to play retro games on modern hardware, aka emulation. But you surely already knew that, because you like to watch their videos and are familiar with their content. Oh wait, no you have no idea about anything. Fine with me, so I'll explain it to you slowly:
ZDomm and co. falls into the enhanced emulation category that has been part of previous DF retro videos. Showing that off, just 30-60 seconds, would have been nice. Just like showing N64 Doom, which wasn't a port either. It was a new game, with an enhanced doom engine. But that's of course something entirely different, obviously. By the way, the last part was sarcasm. Just in case.
Thank you for this video!
The lighting in Jaguar DOOM was excellent. If anyone is curious to check it out, a faithful version on PC called Calico:
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Calico
And yes, DOOM 64 EX is awesome:
https://doom64ex.wordpress.com/
The lighting in Jaguar DOOM was excellent. If anyone is curious to check it out, a faithful version on PC called Calico:
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Calico
And yes, DOOM 64 EX is awesome:
https://doom64ex.wordpress.com/
Omegasquash
Member
I've started this vid twice now and haven't been able to finish.
Looking forward to Doom 64. It's a long time love of mine.
Looking forward to Doom 64. It's a long time love of mine.
I bet it did not phase him at all.
You probably had to have some wizard blood in you to make high end PC games before Direct X.
It's also available on PS3 PSN as part of the Doom Classic Complete Collection, but 10 years ago I happened to buy it on 360. Whichever ecosystem/controller is your preference.
Well, there is Brutal Doom footage in there at the end where I hinted that a second Doom episode covering that side of things may appear in the future.
mullet2000
Member
Yeah great versions. I never had a PC growing up so my first playthrough of each game was the xbla versions!
ISee
Member
Don't get me wrong, a second Doom episode would be cool but I don't think there is enough left to make an interesting, long video. But maybe I'm missing something. Also there are so many old games to cover...
Or are you thinking about including Doom 3 and the modern Doom?
Dragoon En Regalia
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I feel there's a lot worth covering w.r.t. Doom fandom, modding and source ports. There's demos, early WADs and multiplayer (i.e. DWANGO, XBand, ZDaemon/Skulltag), the source code release of evolution of ports, followed by how much people have expanded the game through popular modding platforms (mainly (G)ZDoom) + total conversions. Meanwhile, an episode for OG Quake console ports, followed by info on the SP/MP community, would turn out much smaller.
Please don't focus on Brutal Doom if and when you start working on such an episode. It's gotten way too much exposure at the expense of other mods already, and it changes how regular Doom plays enough to give new players a false impression. I feel like this kind of episode fits DF Retro well, but it's definitely not a huge concern since there's some YTers/streamer already doing a good job of introducing people to modern Doom-ing.
Can that episode go more into Doom 64? 😏
plagiarize
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I loved this episode to say the very least. I presume it was a long time coming, and it's certainly one I was eagerly awaiting even before it was mentioned. Some games get ported to everything and all the idiosyncrasies of such ports is exactly the kind of nerdy stuff I enjoy.
I also eagerly await the DF Retro the looks at the AvP series, since the first two games in that series (especially) have some really interesting tech powering them.
Keep this stuff coming Dark I'm so happy you found work that caters to your skills and interests, since it delivers that kind of contend I get a big kick out of.
I also eagerly await the DF Retro the looks at the AvP series, since the first two games in that series (especially) have some really interesting tech powering them.
Keep this stuff coming Dark
I'm so happy you found work that caters to your skills and interests, since it delivers that kind of contend I get a big kick out of.Thanks!I loved this episode to say the very least. I presume it was a long time coming, and it's certainly one I was eagerly awaiting even before it was mentioned. Some games get ported to everything and all the idiosyncrasies of such ports is exactly the kind of nerdy stuff I enjoy.
I also eagerly await the DF Retro the looks at the AvP series, since the first two games in that series (especially) have some really interesting tech powering them.
Keep this stuff coming Dark
Yeah, I've had this one in mind for a while and did a lot of capture a couple months ago even but I didn't plan well enough so it took four intense days of writing, filming and editing to actually get it done! I didn't expect it to come out to a full hour.