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[Bboy AJ]

Ridiculous how "next gen" is full of so many compromises already. And no, it being an early game in the gen doesn't mean there's a ton more power left to extract. These systems, particularly the X1, are already near tapped out. Let's just get these consoles out of the way so developers can target PCs. Otherwise, this generation is going to be underwhelming.

 

[Drainer]

These systems, particularly the X1, are already near tapped out.

Hehehe.

Oh wait, you were serious.

 

[Insane Metal]

Xbox One version was obviously the lead platform - warts and all.

Sounds like it. Or at least Respawn didn't want the PC version to have a visual edge.

Anyway that tech analysis sounds bad.

 

[DieH@rd]

The game is running at 60fps most of the time. The drops to 40-50 during heavy action are disappointing, but also rather short. People confuse the minimum fps with the average fps. The game's performance is above the "console standard".

The main issue is that the game looks like ass.

Game has a "Last Titan Standing" mode, which is 6 vs 6 titans fights, best 4 out of 7 rounds. There is nothing short term there.

 

[travisbickle]

Performance wise my biggest problem with the game comes from some strange GPU utilization. At times my FPS goes down with gpu utilization also going down. Meaning... I am somehow getting CPU limited even though I have only 1 570 working (SLI is ocmpletely broken).

A Core i7 930 @ 4.2 Ghz is limiting a single GTX 570?!

Something is not right there.

Do you remember when people were suggesting MS might pay developers to gimp the PS4 version?

 

[GlamFM]

That's fine. Game is awesome.

Boy, you just might be in the wrong thread.
We're talking about the tech and performance here. There is a different thread for impressions.

 

[Kosma]

Performance wise my biggest problem with the game comes from some strange GPU utilization. At times my FPS goes down with gpu utilization also going down. Meaning... I am somehow getting CPU limited even though I have only 1 570 working (SLI is ocmpletely broken).

A Core i7 930 @ 4.2 Ghz is limiting a single GTX 570?!

Something is not right there.

Its coded around the xbone probably.

Maybe with some new drivers from nvidia they will be able to force the game to use more gpu.

 

[JAYSIMPLE]

game patches

THE EA WAY!

 

[kinggroin]

Ridiculous how "next gen" is full of so many compromises already. And no, it being an early game in the gen doesn't mean there's a ton more power left to extract. These systems, particularly the X1, are already near tapped out. Let's just get these consoles out of the way so developers can target PCs. Otherwise, this generation is going to be underwhelming.

Western developers are tech pushers. You have no idea how much I'd love for them to migrate back over to PC as the primary target of their development. Consoles can get ports.

Yes, I'm sick of kneecapping my favorite platform.

I also wish eastern developers would nut up and re-embrace the style of gaming that made consoles a viable platform in the first place (NOT ultra expensive tech pushing me-too endeavors).

 

[dan2026]

Has there been no word on the 360 version?

Something fucking suspicious there.

 

[Unknown One]

Has there been no word on the 360 version?

Something fucking suspicious there.

Kind of like when EA didn't show Xbone/PS4 BF4 footage.

 

[Dictator93]

Of course something isn't right, its a Beta.

I do not expect the best performance out of a beta obviously. But it is 1 month before launch, they have a long hard time ahead of them if this is the state of code 1 month before release.
Even then, I do imagine there are a lot of driver and engine problems currently.

Do you remember when people were suggesting MS might pay developers to gimp the PS4 version?

Ha. We shall see.

Its coded around the xbone probably.

Maybe with some new drivers from nvidia they will be able to force the game to use more gpu.

ONe would imagine that with x86 being at the forefront... on Source engine backbone... this would not be a problem.

It is really nice to see the basics covered in the menu though. FOV, Hardware AA, Vsync options (which are currently horribly broken though).
That is at least commendable given what PC gamers have had shoved down their throats lately.

 

[HORRORSHØW]

Has there been no word on the 360 version?

Something fucking suspicious there.

m. night twist: it looks on par with the bone/pc version.

 

[ElTorro]

Game has a "Last Titan Standing" mode, which is 6 vs 6 titans fights, best 4 out of 7 rounds. There is nothing short term there.

It's not like the game immediately drops into the 40ties and sustains that level as soon as you board a Titan. There has to be a lot of stuff going on for the game to drop below 50 for a sustained period of time.

Not saying that this is brilliant, especially since the game doesn't look great to begin with, but it's not horrible compared to what we usually get on consoles.

 

[panda-zebra]

If beasty PC and X1 are having issues while looking comparatively similar , I don't like to think how the 360 version is going to fare.

Despite its age, the 360 is very good at what it does; the xbox one is somewhat less good at doing what people hoped a new next generation console would do or what a seemingly half decent PC already takes in its stride.

"once again we see £100 GPUs besting the console experience."

Maybe it's not so crazy to hope the 360 could live with the xbox one game? Could be an alternative reason for being 2 weeks behind.

 

[Bboy AJ]

Western developers are tech pushers. You have no idea how much I'd love for them to migrate back over to PC as the primary target of their development. Consoles can get ports.

Yes, I'm sick of kneecapping my favorite platform.

I also wish eastern developers would nut up and re-embrace the style of gaming that made consoles a viable platform in the first place (NOT ultra expensive tech pushing me-too endeavors).

You and I spoke about this subject already but remember Crysis? It blew everything away for a long time. That's because it was made on no compromises PC. I don't mind not targetting PC but I do mind actively gimping their games. What a shame and a tremendous let down. I hope developers come to their senses. Or figure out a way to end this nonsense by porting to consoles.

 

[condompickle]

I can't believe this game runs bad at times. I said it last night. Both versions look similar, but my PC ran smoother than the xbone. I hope they fix the frame rates for the xbone, as that's the platform I plan on purchasing it on.

 

[seventynine]

Has there been no word on the 360 version?

Something fucking suspicious there.

I'm half expecting it to run rings around the Xbox One version. Bluepoint really are pretty good.

 

[Portugeezer]

I thought "framerate is king", surprised to see it goes so low in the Titans, their selling point.

We're one month from launch, just drop it to 720p, 792p is not impressing anyone.

 

[Barrow Roll]

No mention of the Vsync stuttering issue on PC? I expected better from DF.

 

[Kaako]

I'm half expecting it to run rings around the Xbox One version. Bluepoint really are pretty good.

Now that would be something...

 

[Yasir]

I'm half expecting it to run rings around the Xbox One version. Bluepoint really are pretty good.

This. I'm also expecting the 360 version to look better than people expect.

 

[geordiemp]

modest Radeon HD 7850 GPU with just 1GB of GDDR5, we manage to max the game out almost entirely while holding 60fps at 2x MSAA.

MM, wonder why they use a 7850 PC GPU to compare.....strange choice

Spoiler

LOL

 

[Yasir]

Actually wonder if 360 was the lead platform lol. Graphically its totally last gen.

 

[styl3s]

I'm sure the '12GB' file size for the Beta is mostly empty data. There is no way in hell my net downloaded 12GB in 5 minutes. <-- Aussie here.

It takes me 2 hours to download a 10gb file so i agree.

5 minutes on my shitty comcast connection? No.

 

[ChainsawFilms]

Do people think theyll hit their hoped 900p 60fps target? Is that with beta graphics or better?

I think people are far too optimistic. This is really only Beta in the sense it's a demo of the game to stress test the servers. Unless this beta was built two months ago, there aren't going to be any huge optimisations found now - if there are, Respawn wouldn't be foolish enough to implement them, as changing one bit of code can cause all kinds of issues elsewhere. At this stage they're bug fixing.

Once that's done, they'll turn off debug code (which may not even be on in the Beta anyway) and get a tiny bump from that.

It's currently rendering 1,115,136 pixels. Going to 900p, you're rendering 1,440,000. It's not a huge jump, but seriously, who finds 30% more performance this late into development?

 

[Dosia]

Actually wonder if 360 was the lead platform lol. Graphically its totally last gen.

It really does look like a 360 game. I was dissapointed with the drops in the framerate too on xbox.

 

[TheRealTalker]

Kind of sad that the PC version shares the same low detailed assets

 

[big_z]

if the xbox version is using insane textures why does the pc version require 3GB+ cards for the option? xbox has 4GB of ddr3 available. my pc has 8GB ddr3+2GB GDDR5

If PC and xbone using the same textures then why the xbone version is ~5GB and PC version is 12GB? What would create all this 7GB difference?

its the audio. origin spends a few minutes uncompressing it late into the download.

 

[Zen]

Think I'll be sticking with the PC version.

 

[Waaghals]

How many people are there at Respawn anyway?

They started out what? three years ago without an engine. They couldn't use the COD engine, so they had find another one.
Then they found Source (which has a common origin with the one used in COD) and reworked it until it could do what they wanted it to. (60fps, parkour mechs/infantry-combat).

I don't think Respawn had the time nor the manpower to make a prettier game. The TF Engine does only what it absolutely needs to in order to create the game they wanted to make.
I think we can expect a large upgrade in graphics in TF2. Because the current iteration is incredibly simple graphically.

(I'll reserve judgement whether this makes it worth the asking price to the gaming population at large, but I have ordered my copy.)

 

[CREMSteve]

Not sure why they don't just go 720p/60 and lock that framerate down entirely.

 

[Yaoibot]

Pushing for extra resolution at this point (as Respawn mentioned they 'might' try for), seems like the worst possible idea. Quite a disappointing analysis really. Seems like PC got the Tier 2 port.

 

[JimiNutz]

I'my playing on X1 and the framerate drops are disappointing...

Sure there's a lot going on but the game is not exactly pretty. I would expect the game to be rock solid 60fps at all times based on the underwhelming visuals.

Game is lotta fun though!

 

[MisterXDTV]

I have just one question: how can you call it a beta when the release date is less than a month away? It's just a big public demo.....

 

[ps3ud0]

I think people are far too optimistic. This is really only Beta in the sense it's a demo of the game to stress test the servers. Unless this beta was built two months ago, there aren't going to be any huge optimisations found now - if there are, Respawn wouldn't be foolish enough to implement them, as changing one bit of code can cause all kinds of issues elsewhere. At this stage they're bug fixing.

Once that's done, they'll turn off debug code (which may not even be on in the Beta anyway) and get a tiny bump from that.

It's currently rendering 1,115,136 pixels. Going to 900p, you're rendering 1,440,000. It's not a huge jump, but seriously, who finds 30% more performance this late into development?

I would have assumed the beta code is after the alpha they had mid-Jan so at most its about a month old if that. Im confused why the beta needs to stree test Azure?

Doesnt seem enough time to make significant improvements but then you wouldnt expect it to perform as badly so somethings up and then youve got the Bluepoint port being delayed by what seems too short a time to make a real difference...

TFs launch is gonna be a talking point

ps3ud0 8)

 

[BibiMaghoo]

I have just one question: how can you call it a beta when the release date is less than a month away? It's just a big public demo.....

You should put this question to DICE. They have been doing it for years.

 

[travisbickle]

Actually wonder if 360 was the lead platform lol. Graphically its totally last gen.

This seems hyperbolic, but I'm not an FPS fan. What's considered the peak graphically for FPS that compares?

 

[Shake Appeal]

Does the Xbox One version have a 70 degree FOV? I assume you can't change it. That's pretty narrow.

 

[Pjsprojects]

Do you have at least 3 GB of Video Card ram? My OC 7970 does just fine, my PC with Titan has frame drops though.

3gb vram is no problem for me but why would such a basic looking game need that much?

 

[LCGeek]

Does the Xbox One version have a 70 degree FOV? I assume you can't change it. That's pretty narrow.

Depending on how it's caluclated it's not.

If it's vertical based you only need 74-75 for what you normally have in other systems for widescreen.

 

[Nervous Sausage]

Honestly I expect the 360 version to perform and look almost as good as the Xbox One version, which barely looks any better than CoD4. I'm actually very concerned with what I've seen of the XB1 so far. Dead Rising 3 and Titanfall don't look or perform any better than games on 8 year old 360 tech. Ryse looks good but I feel like that's as good as things are going to get.

 

[d9b]

Securing Titanfall's exclusivity was/is the best idea Microsoft had in a last few years. If this game was released on PS4 at the same time and considering limping hardware performance from XboxOne it would have been the death of it (XboxOne). This way it buys them some time and gives Microsoft a (slim) fighting chance against Sony.

 

[ethomaz]

Well expected... the console didn't have the power to handle this kind of MP at high quality settings.

A shame the are no using high assets in PC.

It is a beta yet... so thy had one month to change this bad impression.

 

[Toski]

3gb vram is no problem for me but why would such a basic looking game need that much?

8xMSAA or (in my case) 8xEQAA?

 

[Melchettsmoustache]

I won't be overly surprised fit he PC version gets the same post launch patches which the PS4 has received when launching games alongside the X1. Regardless of intention, it does look like publishers don't want to upset too many apple carts by launching one comparatively stronger product than the other. It usually starts with "games looks the same on both platforms" -> "slightly better optimisation on one format" -> Launch -> patch -> one format is now 1080p with further AA or some such graphical optimisation.

 

[Barrel Cannon]

It's 12GB for 2 maps.

I'm shocked at what the high-res, dozen or so maps edition will weigh in at!

Its because the engine itself uses quite.a bit of space. Its like that in many games

 

[spekkeh]

Unsubstantiated conspiracy time!

Reminds me of E3 when I was reading similar nonsense of MS only allowing 3rd parties to demo games on the XO, and the moneyhat to ensure 3rd party developers restricted the performance of their games on the PS4 for platform parity.

That was a conspiracy? I thought it was confirmed. I mean, a number of games literally released at 720p and then patched in 1080p less than a week later. That's double the pixels, and such a huge difference that they couldn't have worked to get the best out of individual kits.

 

[boeso]

You should put this question to DICE. They have been doing it for years.

heh!

 

[CTLance]

Hrm, 35-40 FPS segments in a game that prioritizes framerate over graphical prowess by design. I hope they can bite the bullet and go down to 720p and hopefully use the freed resources to lock the frame rate to a rock-solid 60. Otherwise, what's the point of all the work (and posturing) before.

What a shame. Oh well, at least some people are enjoying the beta. Fun comes first, I guess.