The dock itself is only $59 and from what I've seen that's the ballpark price for a USB-C hub.
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DF: Zelda Breath of the Wild uses dynamic resolution scaling
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Replacement Dock
Right, its just a joke lol.
Zombegoast
Member
The game may freeze sometimes when killing a Moblin but for some reason it only seem to be tied with those enemies.
Maker Island which is outside of the Lost Woods has shit tons of Stalfos and would carry special arrows as well as fighting the big ones. There haven't been any noticeable slow down with physics involved and went through it twice.
Another example is running to
in the rain with lighting arrows being shot everywhere, still nothing bad
But then I go to a shrine surrounded by spikes and having to navigate around it and the fps going to low teens and input being affected even when playing in portable mode. It was just rendering grass and spikes with nothing going on.
Maker Island which is outside of the Lost Woods has shit tons of Stalfos and would carry special arrows as well as fighting the big ones. There haven't been any noticeable slow down with physics involved and went through it twice.
Another example is running to
Zora Domain
But then I go to a shrine surrounded by spikes and having to navigate around it and the fps going to low teens and input being affected even when playing in portable mode. It was just rendering grass and spikes with nothing going on.
Docks are typically high margin products. Just because other products are $60, doesn't mean Nintendo has to charge that much for it. Do you really think an HDMI cable and USB C charger is worth $30 bucks?
Fata1moose
Banned
The point of dynamic resolution scaling is to maintain frame rate, yet that's still a problem. Hope they can improve performance.
Well it seems to have worked for the handheld mode though.
Mind you, I ordered this from the Nintendo site and it shipped in plastic shrink wrap, no box or packaging. Quality product from Nintendo.
darkazcura
Member
USB C chargers, in general, are pretty high priced for a reason I think..maybe something to do with licensing?
Liabe Brave
Member
My point wasn't that a port will look as good as a ground-up game. My point was, if Shin'en are so accomplished and the Switch so powerful, why does their port not run near its intended target?
Both. Your claim was that the game shows us the power Switch has on paper: 4-5x WiiU. If that were the case, then 4x the resolution alongside new effects (single player only) should be well doable. Especially given that the developer is widely viewed as the most technically adroit third-party working on Nintendo hardware.
But that's not all that we see. Yes, Switch does occasionally hit this level. But it's below that most of the time. As I said, this suggests bottlenecks to achieving the paper performance.
This is not a radical idea; real-world performance rarely matches spec sheet promises across the board.
This is entirely my point. Why would the game have to reduce res by nearly an order of magnitude to maintain framerate?
Fair enough, I trust your eyes. I'm just wary about developer claims, given multiple instances of other studios lying about the technical details of their games.
Teletraan1
Banned
It is easier to notice on native resolution displays. The game for me was already upscaling on a 1080p TV it is unlikely that I was going to notice that it is upscaling a bit more.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
FRN does not scale anything - it uses a reprojection technique and constantly renders at 640x720. The end result is somewhat similar to 720 interlaced, but the interlace pattern is not scanline-based but more sophisticated, to a better reprojection effect.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I never said the switch was powerful. I said Shinen are tech wizards given their size and if they built a ground up game they could target 1080p.
And second. They are limited by time, budget and other ambitions. Maybe their priority was not 1080p no matter what given they made a bunch of graphical improvements to the game and also increased the resolution to 1080 as a target. Maybe making launch was a priority. Maybe they didnt divert total resources to the game due to another project.
Like I dunno what you are actually getting at. You think if they wanted 1080p they couldnt do it?
Jonneh3003
Banned
Can't say I noticed!
metsallica
Member
You ordered a replacement part from Nintendo's replacement parts site and are surprised it shipped as a replacement part would? Cool. It's not a retail product in that configuration.
Could be. All of the quality USB-C chargers and hubs that I've seen are not cheap. I bought an extra USB-C charger for my Switch with the added benefit that it can also charge my Chromebook and it was $40.
Lupin the Third
Member
Can confirm it doesn't impact performance much to disable WiFi autoconnect. I was playing last night with it disabled and it still gave me brief freezes and noticeable framedrops.
ChoklitReign
Member
Did they confirm that it uses double buffering? I hope they could patch in triple buffering or adaptive vsync. Double buffering does not work in open world games.
I don't know if this has been answered, but is the Wii U rendering and streaming lower resolution video to the Gamepad (480p~540p)? I could swear it runs better than it does when I'm playing it on my TV. I haven't done any back-to-back tests (I plan on it tonight), but when the game forces me to use the Gamepad for certain puzzles and then I go back outside and run around before decided to switch back to TV, it looks like it's a nice locked 30fps and not the back-and-forth 20-30fps show I'm used to.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I thought there were times where the game looked sharper then others!
killatopak
Gold Member
Confirmed double buff by DF.
Because if they didn't it would be horrendous fps at times?
It's a good solution for what they have.
Triforce141
Member
That explains why the game looks fuzzy from time to time in portable mode
Cent is French (and maybe other languages like Latin) for 100.
Per hundred -> Per cent
It makes more sense as two words than one.
Considering this is a launch game port from a very different architecture and also the most technically complex Nintendo game ever I don't think it's representative of what games made from the ground up will be like.
I don't expect it to ever be generational leap, we are going from 33 watt to 11 watt docked, but I expect ground up Nintendo games to perform as well as they always have and have a significant graphical leap from Wii U.
Liabe Brave
Member
What I'm getting at is that they clearly wanted 1080p60 at a certain fidelity, and they couldn't get all those things at once. I believe they would've set their target based on expert opinion about what should be possible on the promised hardware. That it wasn't met may therefore tell us something about the difference between practical use and paper specs of that hardware.
Fast RMX does show that Switch is 4 to 5 times as powerful as Wii U, that was my point, yes there are bottlenecks with a port designed around Wii U's strengths, and yes the Switch isn't 100% of the time hitting this performance level in this game, however it's important to note that Wii U's performance drops as well, and the comparison is still going to line up reasonably with these numbers. As for the whole "on paper" comment, we are seeing this performance in game, not just on paper, that takes it out of the theoretical and places it into practice.
We still don't know if Shinen even used fp16 code, which would improve performance further, I do think that bandwidth is going to be an active bottleneck for this console unless there is on die embedded memory, but we aren't really seeing signs of it in the launch games at least.
Thanks for the correction, I was too engaged with my thought process to catch myself with the technical reasoning behind what Wii U was doing.
We still don't know if Shinen even used fp16 code, which would improve performance further, I do think that bandwidth is going to be an active bottleneck for this console unless there is on die embedded memory, but we aren't really seeing signs of it in the launch games at least.
Thanks for the correction, I was too engaged with my thought process to catch myself with the technical reasoning behind what Wii U was doing.
As someone who's not interested in the mobile aspect I agree.
Unless Nintendo intentionally gimped the switch version (for parity?) I'm not seeing why something like Mario Odyssey couldn't be a Wii U game as well.
It'll be interesting to see what the switch can do going forward
Vital Tundra
Member
I imagine they won't need this when they make the next open world Zelda from the ground up for Switch. At least they are doing things to keep frame dips from being absolute garbage.
bananafactory
Banned
I wouldn't call it a solution because it doesn't really work. The game still drops frames frequently.
Well that'd disappointing
Possibly stupid question but does this indicate that BOTW is pushing the Switch to its limits so this could be a standard of the best it's capable of doing?Or is this a byproduct of it basically being a Wiiu game that had to be ported to Switch halfway through development? I think it looks great blemishes and all but was hoping the future could bring better looking games (prob won't be able to beat that art style no matter what for me though)
It could be a Wii U game. Same for Splatoon and Mario Kart 8. It would just look and run worse. That's how it usually is with improved hardware.
geordiemp
Member
Its bandwidth memory access starved and Switch has very little of it if EG leaked specs are true. Article repeats it here.
You are incorrect, they could of easily upped the memory access specs for more cost obviously.
Yup. Very late in the cycle actually (last spring) while they were also finishing the wii u version.
Wishmaster92
Member
So it can't run even at 900p consistently? That extremely low bandwidth must be killing everything.
gamerforever
Banned
I know this is a port, but if the console can't even produce 1080p in this day and age, it really won't be able to shine and will just be a Wii U/ Handheld port machine. I just wish they went the extra mile and incorporated the latest handheld technology into this thing.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
Switch became the lead platform for BoTW during development, but it's also a launch title for new hardware and it's Nintendo's first major open world game. The Switch isn't a powerhouse but with these specific caveats contributing to Zelda's performance why are we acting like we can expect this sort of performance moving forward?
n0razi
Member
Bought the Wii U version and waiting for decent CEMU support before diving in.... I want no less than 1080p at 30fps locked
I can't imagine a $400 Switch selling well at all
This is the latest handheld technology....
What handheld has better specs than the Switch lol
Right but usually there is a more significant jump though!
Probably a lot more tablets and smartphones than you think.
It looks damn good on my tv. Sure horizon looks better on my PS4 Pro 4k set up but I'd rather play Zelda
Not GPU wise, and they can't use that power for more than like 5 minutes straight, so...
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
He said handheld, not tablet.