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DICE: "We right now don't have support for the Wii U in the Frostbite engine."
- Thread starter Nirolak
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So what!...
...if Wii U isn't getting Frostbyte...then neither will a higher powered Nintendo machine.
Nice tag update.
Problem is, that this gets thrown around here often in Wii U thread but that's the last thing a third party wants to read while thinking about supporting Wii U. Nobody questions Nintendos firt party power but if i as a publisher think that Wii U owners have their console to only play their Zelda, Marios etc. then why put effort and resources into it.
And while EA's game quality it debateable (Dragon Age 2 anyone), their games apeal to a rather wide audience.
Exactly.
If Nintendo had a machine that is attractive for EAs audience it would get games. Power is a part of this.
shinra-bansho
Member
Perhaps, unlike Nintendo and its fans, EA could see it wouldn't be big - and they're being vindicated now by the console failing to ignite interest.
I'm not sure why people are acting as if this isn't a common occurrence. Platform decisions are made based on projection as much as they're informed by history. And neither would suggest Frostbite 3 Wii U is worthwhile.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Sure the game engines could run on the Wii U, but that's not the problem.
When a massive publisher like EA is basically saying the Wii U isn't a viable platform, that will have a huge cascading affect down through smaller publishers.
EA did pretty well on the Wii, didn't it?
cyberheater
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Yes. I agree. They should have saved the cash spent on the gamepad and backward compatibility and gone for a much stronger machine.
The Wii was a fluke.
Yes it does. A very loud clear message that it's not worth the return on investment to develop for WiiU.
Did they? Don´t know, but if they did that was years ago.
pieatorium
Member
By sending spinoffs and casual games there, I assume they will still have one or two of those on hand for the WiiU
But there's no support not because the hardware is weak but because Wii never took of for most third parties, if the sales had been the issue there would have been more support in the beginning but it was bad even then.
None but Ubisoft even tried to put some effort into it. If they skipped the controller and just went for a half-powered PS4/Xbox3 they'd be even worse off when they're released, at least now they have something to set it apart admittedly something most hardcore games don't care for.
Just noticed that your tag is already ready for nextgen :lol
cyberheater
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Fooking hell. I've just noticed that. Ha ha....
Opus Angelorum
Member
The Wii is an anomaly.
The audience was so huge and generally without taste, EA could throw anything at it and it would have made money.
Surely smaller publishers will think "one less competitor"?
Dreams-Visions
Member
Pretty big fucking deal, imo.
It's one thing to not get a game or two, but to not get an entire engine? A major player at that?
Not a good look.
It's one thing to not get a game or two, but to not get an entire engine? A major player at that?
Not a good look.
Opus Angelorum
Member
I thought that could be a possibility, but if the install base is so small would a game from a smaller publisher thrive? And with the recent PS4 news regarding the harvesting of the indie scene, it makes me wonder who exactly is going to want to side with Nintendo.
maverick40
Junior Member
Wii U: The definition of buyers remorse for me.
fabricated backlash
Member
Surely you speak for me, thanks for telling me what i feel.
maverick40
Junior Member
This is more of a loss for Nintendo no matter how much you try spin it.
IrrelevantNotch
Banned
I wasn't being sarcastic...
maverick40
Junior Member
Just changed my post there.
shinra-bansho
Member
My sarcasm meter is broken then. There are way too many of strawman "Nintendoomed." posts and they don't really add anything to discussion.
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Anyway, people who really can't see why this is happening need to step outside their post-purchase rationalisation for a moment and ask themselves:
- Who is the target market for the Wii U? (A question Nintendo themselves seemingly neglected to ask.)
- That leads to: Who comprises the current and prospective installed base of the Wii U?
- Which leads to: Is there a point to making a Wii U SKU?
fabricated backlash
Member
I see.
plantedunicorn
Member
That origin rumor that people keep saying is the reason Nintendo is not getting EA's support sounds like bullshit to me. Though something must have seriously gone wrong somewhere between the two. Battlefield was one of the franchises they talked about when Nintendo first debuted the Wii U.
The sales of the Wii U are abysmal and that's a good reason for EA not to support the Wii U but this decision about not getting the engine to run on the console seems like a decision that was made a long time before the Wii U came out in November, it wasn't just made a couple of months ago. Things just keep looking worse for Nintendo. I'm really wondering if there's gonna be any 3rd party games at Nintendo's E3 press conference.
The sales of the Wii U are abysmal and that's a good reason for EA not to support the Wii U but this decision about not getting the engine to run on the console seems like a decision that was made a long time before the Wii U came out in November, it wasn't just made a couple of months ago. Things just keep looking worse for Nintendo. I'm really wondering if there's gonna be any 3rd party games at Nintendo's E3 press conference.
IrrelevantNotch
Banned
You need to chill out. Even if I was being sarcastic your response is/was overly dramatic.
edit- Anyway. From a business perspective I think this is a great move for EA. No matter how much support they give Nintendo their games just aren't going to sell very well. The Wii U is simply an unattractive device to consumers. Nintendo tried to attract casuals and core gamers by combining a touch screen with a dual analog controller and in doing so they scared off both.
Mailenstein
Member
I'm gonna be honest here: I buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. Anything else exclusively coming for 3DS/WiiU I'll gladly take as long as the quality is right. But other than that, I'll play next-gen games on next-gen consoles with a next-gen environment as well as features.
SapientWolf
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Why would you say this?
On topic, this has been clear for awhile. I'm wondering if there's a technical reason for it. Or maybe it's just opportunity costs. DICE personnel working on the Wii U can't be working on the PS4 or Durango.
It IS a standard controller (with a screen attached to it).
Nobody HAS TO use the screen in any special way.
Glass Rebel
Member
EA not putting Frostbite on Wii U is a pretty huge deal, whether you like their games or not. That basically means that most of their non-sports games won't even make it to the platform.
AC3 and BLOPS2 have really shown the way on how to do a "standard" port to the WiiU.
The game pads only functionality, pretty much, is the ability to play off screen if required.
I wonder how much this will really change for Nintendo. As much as people say that they need all the multiplat third party games from publishers like EA, how many of the people that these games would be targeted at would care about the Wii U version if they can get either a PS3/360 or PS4/Durango version? I'm guessing they'll only sell a few million consoles extra because of that.
If you ask me the biggest chance for Nintendo to gain succes is greatly expanding their second party publishing. They won't win against the other companies in the AAA-budget shooter market, so just start publishing tons of B-tier budget games from smaller studios and give them lots of freedom. Basically build a large, distinctive ecosystem of games by themselves. That's obviously far easier said then done though.
If you ask me the biggest chance for Nintendo to gain succes is greatly expanding their second party publishing. They won't win against the other companies in the AAA-budget shooter market, so just start publishing tons of B-tier budget games from smaller studios and give them lots of freedom. Basically build a large, distinctive ecosystem of games by themselves. That's obviously far easier said then done though.
bigboss370
Member
yes, this is exactly what they're saying.
michaelius
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Yes I'd say that Wii U port of their next fitness game is 99,99% sure.
Mailenstein
Member
The bigger question is, how many Wii U only people will wander off, because of those games.
LOL. The hyperbole is reaching critical levels. Has Nintendo ever gotten games offf DICE's engine?
And can we blame them? They are in business to make money not charity. That's the way companies work.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Doesn't this effectively mean no Wii U games from EA? I doubt that would be the case, but I thought on that financials call to Morgan Stanley EA said that every game they make would be running on one engine, Frostbite 2 or higher.
Edit: It makes sense that all of their games would as well. Though the initial cost of moving games like Fifa and Madden to Frostbite would be high, in the end they would be able to share assets across the company and streamline the game making process.
Edit: It makes sense that all of their games would as well. Though the initial cost of moving games like Fifa and Madden to Frostbite would be high, in the end they would be able to share assets across the company and streamline the game making process.
Glass Rebel
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Frostbite is powering the next Dragon Age, Mass Effect and Need for Speed game.
Mauricio_Magus
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I'll just ignore all this crap till E3 comes, Nintendo will do fine like always.
Nintendo have to approve that though, don't they?
Basileus777
Member
There'd be no point in doing that, casuals don't own a WiiU. It's a niche product with a small install base.
Had DICE's engine ever been widely used as EA's internal engine for their non-sports titles? This is a fairly significant thing here.
Smiles and Cries
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It has more to do with controlling where your audience is. If EA bets hard against Wii U and find their core audience has somehow escaped and went to a platform they had no support on it would be a massive loss of money. So when you bet against Nintendo you have to make sure you leave them with nothing at all that can influence your target audience to move out of the space you placed your bets on.
I don't buy the excuse that there is no money to be had supporting Wii U
but the audience goes where your support goes period this is all on EA, it has nothing to do with platform
To simplify if GTA V went Wii U exclusive that audience would follow, so audience is dependent on support not the other way around
It is more about targeting your bets and focus. To do that you need to isolate your target.
Companies have made the core audience a two platform space this past gen we call that platform space PS360 so there is no shock if you cannot find your target audience outside of that space when you made little effort outside of your focus
what EA is saying is they have a focus and Wii U is not part of that focus it has little to do with if money can be had outside; why risk it if you already have all your ducks in a row?
We focus on EA's damage to Wii U while one major move by Ubisoft with Rayman was basically the same type of Vote when they did not allow a Rayman exclusive they can use the same NO MONEY on Wii U excuse. To build an audience there needs to be something there you cannot get anywhere else.
The 2 platform space trend will continue into the next-gen so for those here who wish Nintendo had built a beastly machine with 8GB of RAM and super GPU/CPU, I question if DICE/EA and others would still not do the same and ignore porting an engine to it?
I believe they would ignore that Super Nintendo HD for the same reasons above controlling where the core space ends up. These companies have the core audience trained not to expect core game support on Nintendo platforms. It has nearly become a Law of expectations. You take one core game and make it Nintendo exclusive and you have a megaton thread. They have us trained not to expect it.
So no sales on a Nintendo platform? I wonder why?
Would you buy Watch_Dogs on Wii U if you knew the sequels to this new IP had a better chance of continuing on PS4?
I am kinda shock Ubisoft even bothers to support Wii U at all
Can you name one modern 3rd Party core series that has game numbers 1-4 on one modern Nintendo platform?
Just Dance is not core! LOL talk about no win situation for Nintendo here
Yeah, but then people will complain that it's a half-assed port and not buy it anyway.
The Origin thing is being grossly overstated because it doesn't explain why Konami aren't on board or why Take Two aren't on board or why SquareEnix aren't on board, etc.