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Digital Foundry: Let's Play Zelda: Breath of the Wild on Nintendo Switch
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Glendemonium
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I dunno, this looks more like Wind Waker with slightly grittier textures. And I actually liked Wind Waker HD.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I honestly do not understand this. If there is a setting on PC that I can turn on to max pretty reliably in every game, without losing performance, its AF. I wonder what happens on consoles.
I think they will have removed gamepad touch segments bc you cannot due that in switched dock console mode.
Was this a serious post? I hope not, because it's getting ridiculous.
Actual 2006 open world game
Zelda
I don't even know why i'm answering to this.
Maintenance
Member
The good thing about being a hybrid is that you can use both sides of the aisle as excuses ("but it's a handheld", "but it's a console") whenever it's more convenient.
What is most convenient is that Nintendo is maybe able to push console prices for a handheld device. When Sony and MS are pumping out $69.99 games, Nintendo will be after that money, too. But that's how the market works :/
MisterR
Member
It looks ugly....damn ugly. The environments, shadow, aliasing...everything except the character models (who look disconnected from the ugly environments). Ugly graphics period. Art style can only do so much for the character models. Thanks to the high-bitrate DF video you can see how this game properly looks.
It does look pretty awful.
These kind of people must be trolling don't worry about it. The world of BotW is huge hyrule field is just one of the sections you can jump of to from the plateau. BotW is in no way possible in that year he/she claims it looks like.
And it surely looks better than a open world game from that year.
Someone pointed to some extensive AF testing and the performance hits ranged between 5% to 15% going from basic 4X AF to 16X high quality AF, so in a console environment where every bit helps to not deviate too much from your desired frame rate 10-15% performance seems like quite a bit.
Let me dig a bit to see if I can find that thread. Here.-
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Also Digital Foundry did some testing about this some time ago.
I mean, other than the Switch version running at a higher resolution, with a far more solid framerate, sure, we saw nothing.
LordRaptor
Member
If you don't like Cezanne or Monet landscapes, fair enough, but don't pretend its because neither of them know how to paint, jfc
The trolling is like some early PS360 console wars
Did we? sry i didnt see it, the only thing i read was yesterday that the wiiu version actually run more smooth (was a german site tho), can you give me a link?
Digital foundry say otherwise, and I am going to put my faith on the matter in them, seeing as they are specialised in the matter. Take a look at this video, at the 5.40 mark.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
I think the game looks great, but he's not wrong.
I think that much like Dishonored, the textures are supposed to have painterly quality.
However, much like Dishonored, some will perceive them as just low quality
Looks fine to me.
Shadynasty
Member
Where do the 20fps drops tend to happen?
thank you, i hope we get soon a side by side comprassion
-shadow-
Member
Not counting the combat, John thinks it might just be a streaming issue. So that shouldn't be too often.
LordRaptor
Member
Dictator93
Member
I am not sure if painterly necessarily should be equated with "low texel density" or something. These just look low res and stretch over the terrain in an unflattering manner.
Astral Dog
Member
Yeah but it really doesn't matter if its 2x Wii U or Xbox ONE power,Modern games are expensive as hell to make.
In fact Nintendo has been quite reasonable with a variety of prices on Wii U.
OK, leaving aside the fact that one is an actual gameplay shot and one is a PR shot at a resolution the game will not run at, that they're comparable is kind of weak. Zelda has better art direction, of course (and Oblivion's is largely atrocious), but in how many contexts can you compare a game to an 11 year old game and expect the point to be what it is?
Breath of the Wild looks graphically dated (because it is basically a WiiU game) but it imo looks far from ugly as many in here call it. In motion I am actually always pretty impressed by how nice and atmospheric it looks.
Unflattering screens you can make in any game, especially when they are just screencaps from a video. I'm excited to see the first screenshots popping up in the console screenshot thread.
Unflattering screens you can make in any game, especially when they are just screencaps from a video. I'm excited to see the first screenshots popping up in the console screenshot thread.
Astral Dog
Member
If people keep saying BoTW doesn't look up to the standards of a modern console game its because thats impossible. Its a Wii U title working with the limitations of that system (and the Switch)
Its Nintendo's job to sell you the idea that despite having outdated graphics, even looking a generation behind. BOTW is a game well worth playing with colorful art direction,a huge variety of dungeons,amazing music and big land to explore.
Its Nintendo's job to sell you the idea that despite having outdated graphics, even looking a generation behind. BOTW is a game well worth playing with colorful art direction,a huge variety of dungeons,amazing music and big land to explore.
1) The Zelda shot is 900p, the resolution the game is currently running at on Switch. It's direct feed footage, unlike other pics posted here that gets quoted 6 times for page.
2) They're not comparable at all. There's a massive leap in pretty much everything, starting with lighting, grass and shaders which are almost a full generational leap. Not to mention what it's doing with physics (which is largely ignored here, as if it's free to implement).
3) I'm not the one that started this ridiculous comparison by saying that Zelda "looks like a 2006 game". People have been trolling for 16 pages and i'm the one that gets called out? Yeah i'm out of here.
There is no way around this, the textures when they are not hidden behind the grass (and them the aliasing pops in like a saw) are poor and low res. There's just no denying that. Every close-up view with the ground or some rocks is showing that. It is what it is.
In the end Zelda BotW will be the perfect game to play in handheld mode, being at the native resolution of the screen and screen having a great quality and the size of the screen hiding this imperfections much better.
On a big screen? Not so much unless the emulation steps in with that.
In the end Zelda BotW will be the perfect game to play in handheld mode, being at the native resolution of the screen and screen having a great quality and the size of the screen hiding this imperfections much better.
On a big screen? Not so much unless the emulation steps in with that.
Joeshabadoo
Member
uh no, they masterfully execute more of a pixar art style. and what's with this constant binary. 'properly' or improperly'? things can be better than other things, but calling something improper or wrong, what even is the point you're trying to make?
A 330 handheld with 60 games and a monthly online subscription model.
Good luck indeed.
One Eyed Willy
Member
2017 is off to a rough start. This game is supposed to show us the magic of the platform? I was all aboard the hype train but with performance like this out of the gate I'm not so sure any more.
I'll buy BOTW for Wii U and wait it out I guess for now.
If you watch the video they say, more than once I believe, that the Switch version docked and un-docked are near rock solid 30fps with a single dip to 20 that they believed to be a asset streaming hiccup rather than a performance based one and then there are dips that last for an instant when a sudden dof effect is used such as when an enemy is knocked out.
Diablohead
Member
For a handheald not much bigger then my phone I think it's looking and performing amazingly well it's a launch title too so who knows how games will look in two years time on the switch.
Slight dissapointment with the tv out not being native 1080p, i'd prefer a 900p res then the visuals taking a step back when using tv mode so they made the right choice for me there.
Slight dissapointment with the tv out not being native 1080p, i'd prefer a 900p res then the visuals taking a step back when using tv mode so they made the right choice for me there.
shawnbuddy
Member
I wonder how it'll look on a 4K tv? There's noticeable softness with sub-1080p sources. Upscaling is good but not magic.
eyeball_kid
Member
Looking back at the first footage from 2014, everything felt much more saturated, more like a Miyazaki film. All of the recent footage is washed-out. That bothers me much more than the low-res textures and lumpy terrain.
I want this Zelda again:
I want this Zelda again:
Ocarina_117
Banned
Looking back at the first footage from 2014, everything felt much more saturated, more like a Miyazaki film. All of the recent footage is washed-out. That bothers me much more than the low-res textures and lumpy terrain.
I want this Zelda again:
I feel this has been discussed before. People came to the conclusion Nintendo's capture software for that game was lacking and in reality it looks more vibrant.
Arkam
Member
I am [Raises hand] very Happy in fact. Zelda looks as captivating as the day it was revealed and the Switch is a brilliant platform. I think Nintendo has done well by me...
Yes, even the more skeptical people who played the game said that the portable version "blew their mind" (because sharpness, colors, brightness, models, sense of scale etc)
These screenshots comparisons are always awful to read because they aren't fair (for multiple reasons), especially when you see people quoting target renderings that were polished for weeks before anything in the game was implemented...
But yeah, it's gaf and gaf does it for every big game. The bigger the hype, the bigger the comparisons trolling contest.
eyeball_kid
Member
I mean...that's a capture from the original trailer. If they're having problems with their capture software now that is desaturating everything, they need to fix it because it not presenting the game accurately.
But my guess is it has nothing to do with capture software, and was an artistic change.
Although people who actually played the game disagree with your "guess". So sad!
Looking back at the first footage from 2014, everything felt much more saturated, more like a Miyazaki film. All of the recent footage is washed-out. That bothers me much more than the low-res textures and lumpy terrain.
I want this Zelda again:
Never existed.
LordOfChaos
Member
Alpha effects and depth of field cause framerate slowdowns, looks like that mobile bandwidth limitation rearing its head. I wonder how much customization Nintendo did to the memory subsystem, this is an area they've worried about since the N64.
bargeparty
Member
Looking back at the first footage from 2014, everything felt much more saturated, more like a Miyazaki film. All of the recent footage is washed-out. That bothers me much more than the low-res textures and lumpy terrain.
I want this Zelda again:
Have we even seen this area again? I don't think we have.
Looking back at the first footage from 2014, everything felt much more saturated, more like a Miyazaki film. All of the recent footage is washed-out. That bothers me much more than the low-res textures and lumpy terrain.
I want this Zelda again:
more recent footage really does not show areas with this much grass density, and no, I do not think we have seen tis area recently.
mortal
Gold Member
It would of been great to see the game look this good. Everything in that trailer looked so dense and lush. The colors and stronger lighting and overall image quality really enhance the art direction.Looking back at the first footage from 2014, everything felt much more saturated, more like a Miyazaki film. All of the recent footage is washed-out. That bothers me much more than the low-res textures and lumpy terrain.
I want this Zelda again:
The latest showcase was more about showing off the scale of open world. Although I'd much prefer a smaller denser sandbox with more elements to interact with, than a needlessly vast and empty world.
it seems like this happens with almost every nintendo game.
they don't look that great in screens because a lot of the visual heft comes from animations, particle/alpha effects, lighting, shaders, and overall much more solid framerates compared to the competition.
i'm probably not even getting this game any time soon but the videos look fantastic, certainly much better than anything i ever saw on 360 or ps3.
they don't look that great in screens because a lot of the visual heft comes from animations, particle/alpha effects, lighting, shaders, and overall much more solid framerates compared to the competition.
i'm probably not even getting this game any time soon but the videos look fantastic, certainly much better than anything i ever saw on 360 or ps3.
LordOfChaos
Member
Looking back at the first footage from 2014, everything felt much more saturated, more like a Miyazaki film. All of the recent footage is washed-out. That bothers me much more than the low-res textures and lumpy terrain.
I want this Zelda again:
Agreed. I don't think we'll see that density of grass again either, there's a lot of grass but it all pops in as you look at it if it's more than a few meters out in-game.
People always seem to say Nintendo doesn't Bullshot...