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[Fireblend]

Darryl can't have gone sleepwalking according to his card. Unless we have some sleep fairy casting spells on another user, I am inclined to believe that sleepwalking claims are mafia making excuses for visiting folks with the intent to kill. Of course, I admit I'm assuming that "intent" part, given the lack of evidence.

I claim to have sleepwalked; does that make me scum? Obviously I was targeted by someone which made me sleepwalk, and either Darry was too, or he knew about it because it was one of his teammates who's making people sleepwalk.

I'm more inclined to think it was the first at this point. It'd be hard to think that scum can "move" people around yet can't manage to kill a single townie.

 

[Enker]

All claimed power roles, what you got for us?

Nothing fun and exciting, peeped in on another princess and found a reply that was not nothing, but not useful. Same as yesterday...

 

[weemadarthur]

I claim to have sleepwalked; does that make me scum?

Possibly. Of the analytical contributors, you're the one I'm least convinced is town.

Obviously I was targeted by someone which made me sleepwalk, and either Darry was too, or he knew about it because it was one of his teammates who's making people sleepwalk.

So you're not claiming it as a role. In that case, it could be a roleblock move like the lawyers had.

 

[Ayumi]

Don't think of the vote as an accusation, it's more of a way to prod people so they know more posts from them would be appreciated.

Didn't know a prod vote was a thing. :v

Maybe a sinner felt it was the perfect opportunity to use his vote to prevent voting for fellow evil..

 

[Unmasked Ferret]

Possibly. Of the analytical contributors, you're the one I'm least convinced is town.

Why (besides him still being alive for some reason)?

Didn't know a prod vote was a thing. :v

Maybe a sinner felt it was the perfect opportunity to use his vote to prevent voting for fellow evil..

It's funny that you call them sinners when as far as we know they've done nothing wrong except spy on Seath.

Anyway did anything/one stand out to you when you got caught up? The only thing you really posted before was a vote for weemad without much explanation (it was a short day so that's fine), so whats going through your mind now?

 

[Fireblend]

Possibly. Of the analytical contributors, you're the one I'm least convinced is town.

So you're not claiming it as a role. In that case, it could be a roleblock move like the lawyers had.

Yes, or it could be somewhat of a protective role. If that's the case, I wonder why Darryl was targeted on N2 when there was plenty of suspicion on him, though.

For now I'm going to:

Vote: Trigger

Based on the fact that he never voted for either Darryl or Christina, managed to stay out of Darryl's "scum shortlist", suggested weemadarthur could be scum yesterday when that made very little sense after praising his line of thought earlier in the day, and I don't think any of his contributions have been significant enough. FWIW, he correctly guessed The Evil Queen was a scum team role, too.

 

[Freakinchair]

Seath has yet to reply to my post, I'll give him another (real life) day to respond to my post.

 

[Kevyt]

^^

---->



Make whatever you want out of it but I am town!

You can lynch me, to prove it, I have no problem with that as I have said many times and honestly, since we're far ahead of scum team it would not be a bad idea.

Just don't turbo me yet. I am carefully looking at the last days to find remaining scum.

I will post my thoughts later today.

 

[Mazre]

Chair you should PM ynnny and get clarification/confirmation on your role. Specifics are important.

Gonna be in airports/flight for the next ~20 hrs then sleep.

 

[weemadarthur]

I don't even remember ever mentioning that - can you post what I said?

Sure

What are your thoughts on having no town come out and call out TheExodu5 for duplicate roles? Since nobody has claimed Ariel I think we can safely assume that he IS Ariel and Ariel would be a town role. This whole TheExodu5 bandwagon right now is very strange.

This one, day 2 - no scum flips yet - you're sure if someone is ariel they're also town, although you've been told Town has no information to that effect.

I'm anti day one lynch since the town/princesses usually have more information after the first night when people have had a chance to activate powers. At least then most of the town can make somewhat of an informed (or coerced) decision.

I would go so far as to say that pro day one lynch people are suspect due to the fact that the "mafia" can influence easily who the first lynched player will be.

VOTE: No Lynch

Here, from day 1, where it would be a reasonable assumption. But multiple people mentioned that as Town, we shouldn't rely on an assumption, and you still made the above post.

Those, along with other places where you seem to have skimmed over the thread rather than reading in depth, make me wonder whether you're actually finding it hard to keep up - or if maybe you're trying to be subtle mafia and pretending to miss information cause you're new here.

 

[Freakinchair]

Sure

This one, day 2 - no scum flips yet - you're sure if someone is ariel they're also town, although you've been told Town has no information to that effect.

Here, from day 1, where it would be a reasonable assumption. But multiple people mentioned that as Town, we shouldn't rely on an assumption, and you still made the above post.

Those, along with other places where you seem to have skimmed over the thread rather than reading in depth, make me wonder whether you're actually finding it hard to keep up - or if maybe you're trying to be subtle mafia and pretending to miss information cause you're new here.

1. On day 2 we had seen that two townies had been killed and they we're both "good" princesses. It's not a huge stretch to believe that scum are villains. Also - literally nobody made a case that ariel could be a scum role... not sure why you're lying to make a point.

2. Being anti day 1 lynch is my own opinion and I was asked to explain myself so I did. I also said "town/princesses" BECAUSE of that uncertainty. Awfully nitpicky to be looking at that kind of stuff as proof of anything.

3. I will admit I forgot to refresh one time when I posted and was 30 minutes behind (which ended up being 2 pages due to activity). Guilty as charged I suppose.

 

[weemadarthur]

Well, don't worry, chair. You are at the bottom of my personal list of likely scum. These guys are way ahead of you, so if your future posts are on point you turn into a town read.

In fact, I'm gonna double down on this one. Why did you look past Weemad? The guy reeks of scum. He's been putting arguments on me all game, even some really bad ones like asking why I felt the need to comment on the Giselle roleclaim, like my opinion on that isn't contributing. He has commented on the current THUNDERDOME plenty. Yet you ignore him and instead worry about Trigger, the dude who has been barely playing this game.

You think the player who rarely contributes not yet commentating on a scenario is more suspicious than that?

Confirmed scum here, protecting Trigger. Darryl tried a number of times to get people to suspect me, but couldn't get traction. It feels like the protection of Trigger is being hidden here inside yet another attack on Wee. Trigger is very suspicious, to me. (All the vote information and general post analysis posted by others weighs in, too).

That's how I see it too. I just can't imagine Darryl would make a mistake like that. Neither that the remaining Mafia players would be okay with him making such a risky move.

Not sure about that Lost Girls stuff though.

A defense of Darryl. A defense of an unbelievable claim, even to the point of arguing flavor could have come from porn. Combined with fluffy posts and general absence, looks extremely suspicious.

Do you think me and The Exodus are both scum who he is voting for me and he's one of the loudest against me?

Another player being protected by scum. Could be scum trying to move suspicion, Exodus also supported Christina Mckenzie and Darryl through the first couple of days. Could be coordinated scum play.

These are my preferred targets. I have no reports to make on Night activities, so you all have as much information as I do to consider this list.

 

[Ayumi]

It's funny that you call them sinners when as far as we know they've done nothing wrong except spy on Seath.

Anyway did anything/one stand out to you when you got caught up? The only thing you really posted before was a vote for weemad without much explanation (it was a short day so that's fine), so whats going through your mind now?

I'm just looking around with eyes in my back, that's all. :3

Well, I did vote for him at first because he was kind of standing out a little, he seemed a bit more "into" everything than the rest of you/us, so I thought perhaps he was trying to "lead" others into a different direction to keep himself off the radar.

But I hadn't caught up with everything yet, so I decided to unvote since it wasn't a fair vote.

 

[StackpoleH]

Not much to say yet, except that I'm starting to get uneasy about our pacifist mafia. If we hadn't seen the pms I would start to wonder if there was some kind of restriction on their killing abilities.

I felt like a lot of the mafia gambits over the last few days were aimed at trying to get people to claim. Darryl making a big thing of Seath's role, Christina randomly claiming Anastasia, casting doubt on the lovers, and the capper of Darryl claiming to investigate weemad with a random princess name he must have known wouldn't stick.

I was a little suspicious of freakinchair yesterday, but we've all done things like forgetting to hit refresh & I don't want to lynch someone for a simple mistake.

As for Seath, I don't know-- I still think mafia just wouldn't start off the way he did. But I can't deny the way Darryl tried to protect him.

I need to get home and look at my notes before I can say more, but I promise to post a reads list tonight-- sorry for the lack of posting

 

[Trigger]

Ayumi has spoken up so I'll remove my vote.

UNVOTE

Yes, or it could be somewhat of a protective role. If that's the case, I wonder why Darryl was targeted on N2 when there was plenty of suspicion on him, though.

For now I'm going to:

Vote: Trigger

Based on the fact that he never voted for either Darryl or Christina, managed to stay out of Darryl's "scum shortlist", suggested weemadarthur could be scum yesterday when that made very little sense after praising his line of thought earlier in the day, and I don't think any of his contributions have been significant enough. FWIW, he correctly guessed The Evil Queen was a scum team role, too.

1) Prior to Darryl being contradicted by AB was he on anyone's scum list? He was looking very town to me. I wouldn't have expected a play like that from scum. The end of the day was only getting crazier so I decided to let my vote sit and see how AB flipped. CM's claim just kinda came out of nowhere, and I wasn't sure if scum was protecting scum or what. Bad play on my part admittedly.

2) I don't think there's anything especially wrong about being willing to suspect someone you agreed with earlier. Some of his logic I understand, and sometimes I don't really get it. After Darryl's flip can you really blame me for being willing to suspect someone I agreed with.

3) The Evil Queen is a pretty recognizable villain. Being perceptive about the lore in a themed game is scummy?

 

[Kevyt]

I've had my eyes on trigger for a while now, mostly because of his voting pattern, and agreeing with what fireblend pretty much said about him.

Vote: Trigger

 

[weemadarthur]

Well, I did vote for him at first because he was kind of standing out a little, he seemed a bit more "into" everything than the rest of you/us, so I thought perhaps he was trying to "lead" others into a different direction to keep himself off the radar.

But I hadn't caught up with everything yet, so I decided to unvote since it wasn't a fair vote.

That's actually good reasoning, so don't feel bad about voting me for the pressure of it. Someone should keep an eye on each player, so none of us can skate through without notice.

Lone_Prodigy, on that note: do you have any response to my accusations from day 3?

 

[weemadarthur]

Why (besides him still being alive for some reason)?

I think it's because Fireblend didn't find Darryl suspicious enough after he started claiming, and reversed his viewpoint of Seath from day 1, and generally tried to stay alive rather than playing for Town goals. I would expect it to be noticeable to Fireblend. There were a couple of other points he seemed to miss as well, although it could have been from times the thread was moving fast.

Being alive on day 4 is pretty suspicious by itself!

 

[Fireblend]

1) Prior to Darryl being contradicted by AB was he on anyone's scum list? He was looking very town to me. I wouldn't have expected a play like that from scum. The end of the day was only getting crazier so I decided to let my vote sit and see how AB flipped. CM's claim just kinda came out of nowhere, and I wasn't sure if scum was protecting scum or what. Bad play on my part admittedly.

I'm not saying I'm 100% confident you're scum. I did spend a couple of hours or so yesterday reviewing about every vote made so far (the voting tool is crazy useful), trying to make my mind up about some people based on their interactions with Darryl/Christina, looking more carefully on some suspicious people that fit the "never voted for either" pattern, and you were the one that stood out as the most suspicious. And yeah, those plays can be justified one way or another, else I'd be going much harder after you, but they are still suspicious. I'm not even sure I'd call them bad plays, they just fit a pattern I'd associate with scum, given the info we have now.

2) I don't think there's anything especially wrong about being willing to suspect someone you agreed with earlier. Some of his logic I understand, and sometimes I don't really get it. After Darryl's flip can you really blame me for being willing to suspect someone I agreed with.

Can you say on what grounds/scenario Weemad could have been scum, even if Darryl had flipped town? I sort of struggled with that yesterday and no scenario I could think of could satisfy me. Walk me through the logic that went into being suspicious of weemad.

3) The Evil Queen is a pretty recognizable villain. Being perceptive about the lore in a themed game is scummy?

You're right, it just stood out to me and I thought it'd be an interesting tidbit to point out. If I convince anyone with my argument I very much doubt it will be because of that point, so I wouldn't concern myself much with defending that in particular if I were you. Voting patterns and the way our verified scums interacted (or didn't) with you is what makes you suspicious to me.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

That's actually good reasoning, so don't feel bad about voting me for the pressure of it. Someone should keep an eye on each player, so none of us can skate through without notice.

Lone_Prodigy, on that note: do you have any response to my accusations from day 3?

Already addressed.

 

[Freakinchair]

Chair you should PM ynnny and get clarification/confirmation on your role. Specifics are important.

Gonna be in airports/flight for the next ~20 hrs then sleep.

Confirming that what I thought my power was is correct.

Killing Seath gives us the most information still. Too many things have happened to take him out of the spotlight and we need to put him back in imo.
Added on to my "observations" as additional proof of funny business going on I'm going to:

Vote: Seath

 

[Septimus Prime]

Sounds like some of us want to pull...

...the Trigger today.

 

[Fireblend]

I think it's because Fireblend didn't find Darryl suspicious enough after he started claiming, and reversed his viewpoint of Seath from day 1, and generally tried to stay alive rather than playing for Town goals. I would expect it to be noticeable to Fireblend. There were a couple of other points he seemed to miss as well, although it could have been from times the thread was moving fast.

Being alive on day 4 is pretty suspicious by itself!

Fair enough. Our playstyles are pretty different so I see why we'd disagree on what the best way to be pro-town is. I consider being contrarian at times and questioning the "popular point of view" to be useful, prefer simple answers over complicated ones, and generally play in the interest of getting more info rather than leading the charge during the early stages of the game.

As you said, every player should have at least one set of eyes on them so I'm ok with you being suspicious of me

 

[Kevyt]

Confirming that what I thought my power was is correct.

Killing Seath gives us the most information still. Too many things have happened to take him out of the spotlight and we need to put him back in imo.
Added on to my "observations" as additional proof of funny business going on I'm going to:

Vote: Seath

That's interesting.

I agree with you though, but you would be doing it at the expense of a townie so my blood would be in your hands.

 

[cabot]

Sounds like some of us want to pull...

...the Trigger today.

 

[ultron87]

I just wanted to pop in and say I'm aware I've been absent in here for the last couple days. It's been a super couple busy days at work/nights. I'll be around more on the weekend.

 

[weemadarthur]

I had votes on CM and Darryl. I didn't think a last-minute bandwagon on CM would take off, and between AB and Darryl I wanted to save the claimed cop to see what he would give us for one night.

What happens if Darryl flips town?

This being where you addressed my questions?

I'm reading and understanding, except for your logic.
You thought CM was scum, but wouldn't vote for him unless there was a chance of him being lynched?
You assumed that since AB and Darryl were claiming the same role, that one had to be lynched?
You didn't have other reasons to suspect AB, but didn't unvote or move your vote to someone you positively thought was scum?
If so, these are not choices I would call pro-town. It helps town a lot more if you commit to doing what you claim you intend to do. Otherwise it looks like a scum play - agree that the scum look suspicious, actually vote for someone else.

Doesn't look like any non-Darryl discussion is happening today.

VOTE: Darryl[/highligh]

Then the next day you are less than thrilled that no discussion is happening, but you haven't really contributed to discussion for the entire game. Yet you're reading, because you try to minimally answer direct questions.
This also appears like scum playing.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Okay we're kinda stalling right now so I guess this would be as good a time as ever to come out with it.


I received a message last night. It said: Just pull the Trigger.

 

[TheExodu5]

I'd be wary of such a message. Could be from town or scum.

I don't have a great feeling about Freakinchair, but he's right about one thing: lynching Seath will give the most information.

In the interest of moving things forward:

Vote: Seath

Best case: Seath was scum being protected by Darryl.

I think Seath is probably neutral, though.

 

[Unmasked Ferret]

Okay we're kinda stalling right now so I guess this would be as good a time as ever to come out with it.


I received a message last night. It said: Just pull the Trigger.

So your saying Sept just had that joke loaded in the barrel and has been waiting for an excuse to pull the trigger?

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

There's some good evidence on Trigger. Scum usually subtly defend other scum, and a safe play is to avoid mentioning them altogether in case they die and people look back on their posts.

Not sure what that message is on about, though.

Seath is being evasive and keeps hammering home the fact that "he's town". For a townie with no powers, he's sure been prominent in this game, and for all the wrong reasons.

I'll come back to weemad's post in a bit.

 

[Septimus Prime]

So your saying Sept just had that joke loaded in the barrel and has been waiting for an excuse to pull the trigger?

Yes. We talked about it in our private chat. If you go back to Terra's previous post--the one with a bunch of gifs--he brings it up there, as well.

We can't figure out what it's about, so we thought we'd hint at it in the thread and see what people did, but since people are doing nothing at all, here we are.

 

[Kevyt]

I'd be wary of such a message. Could be from town or scum.

I don't have a great feeling about Freakinchair, but he's right about one thing: lynching Seath will give the most information.

In the interest of moving things forward:

Vote: Seath

Best case: Seath was scum being protected by Darryl.

I think Seath is probably neutral, though.

Yeah... Forget that I was one of the few people that didn't want to jump on Dusk on day 1... That I voted for both CM and Darryl...

Sure, I am the most "scummy" of them all.

/s

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

This being where you addressed my questions?

I'm reading and understanding, except for your logic.

You thought CM was scum, but wouldn't vote for him unless there was a chance of him being lynched?

Yes, the point is to vote someone out. CM wasn't near majority at the time, and there wasn't a huge case against him.

You assumed that since AB and Darryl were claiming the same role, that one had to be lynched?

No, it was a two-horse race. If one of AB and Darryl was scum, fellow scum would try to engineer a tie, in which case no one is lynched, and scum basically get a free night kill. My vote was meant to prevent such a tie.

• The absolute worst case is a tie, followed by an AB lynch, followed by a Darryl lynch.
• The second-worst is an AB lynch followed by a Darryl lynch.
• The best is a Darryl lynch.

You didn't have other reasons to suspect AB, but didn't unvote or move your vote to someone you positively thought was scum?

See above. Plus I already said I wasn't around for the end of the day so I missed the late bandwagon.

If so, these are not choices I would call pro-town. It helps town a lot more if you commit to doing what you claim you intend to do. Otherwise it looks like a scum play - agree that the scum look suspicious, actually vote for someone else.

Sitting on a vote for a random person while bandwagons develop elsewhere doesn't help town. It's like voting for the third candidate in US elections: sure you're making a point, but you're not making a difference. I put my vote where I feel it's most useful: voting out a less desirable target.

Then the next day you are less than thrilled that no discussion is happening, but you haven't really contributed to discussion for the entire game. Yet you're reading, because you try to minimally answer direct questions.
This also appears like scum playing.

Go back and read my posts on the last day. The second the day starts, people are all over Darryl, while I'm saying to go back and look at the CM votes to find scum. Not my fault if no one listened.

 

[weemadarthur]

Though it's cold and lonely in the deep dark night, I can see paradise by the dashboard lights~

I have no idea what this means, and you're hinting that it's important. Do you want to explain it?

 

[Mazre]

Okay we're kinda stalling right now so I guess this would be as good a time as ever to come out with it.


I received a message last night. It said: Just pull the Trigger.

That's amusing. I got a message night 2 saying 'Don't pull the Trigger'

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

That's amusing. I got a message night 2 saying 'Don't pull the Trigger'

Hmm...

That def. paints an interesting picture .

 

[Septimus Prime]

So, unless someone wants to jump in and explain those messages, maybe we should lynch Trigger and see if there's anything to them.

 

[Kevyt]

I don't think that should be the only reason alone, we should carefully look at his posts and voting pattern.

The latter is what makes me really suspicious of him right now, but sadly I'm on mobile and can't really multi-quote or write out extensively why I believe he's scum.

I do know that I'm not the only one who thinks he's the most scummy.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

That's what's strange, I HAVE been scum reading him, especially because he's on my short list of those who didn't vote CM on day 2, and was against yesterday's turbo.

 

[Kevyt]

I was also against yesterday's turbo for the reason being that I am against turbos most of the time. I think the more discussion the better, it helps town more in the long run than it does to scum.

 

[TheExodu5]

Yeah... Forget that I was one of the few people that didn't want to jump on Dusk on day 1... That I voted for both CM and Darryl...

Sure, I am the most "scummy" of them all.

/s

I want to know more.

Freakinchair claims you had activity night 2 and 3. That implies that either someone is visiting you each night or you're doing something. The latter seems more plausible. I feel like there may be something malicious to your role...but maybe I'm reading into the lore too much.

 

[Enker]

I have no idea what this means, and you're hinting that it's important. Do you want to explain it?

I take it to mean Seath is about to listen to a baseball game narrated by someone who worships a cow.

 

[Enker]

That's amusing. I got a message night 2 saying 'Don't pull the Trigger'

Is this sarcasm? I read it as such.

 

[Ayumi]

I'm generally not a fan of bandwagon voting, but I'm unsure about Trigger. I don't think Seath is evil/scum though. I'd rather guess Terabyte. Or Septimus Prime for this post alone:

So, unless someone wants to jump in and explain those messages, maybe we should lynch Trigger and see if there's anything to them.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Seath (2)
Freakinchair .1571
TheExodu5 .1579

Trigger (2)
Fireblend .1556
Seath .1566

gryvan (1)
Lone_Prodigy .1512
Seath .1525 .1566

Ayumi (0)
Trigger .1543 .1565

Freakinchair (0)
TheExodu5 .1539 .1579


No active vote for Day 4:
AbsolutBro
Ayumi
Barrylocke
Darryl
Enker
gryvan
Mazre
Royal_Flush
Septimus Prime
StackpoleH
Terrabyte20xx
Trigger (has previously voted)
ultron87
Unmasked Ferret
weemadarthur
Zatoth



Day 4 ends:

11 votes for majority

 

[Mazre]

Is this sarcasm? I read it as such.

Recalibrate your detector sir. No sarcasm here, I was genuinely amused by the prospect that Terra and I had received directly contradictory messages on consecutive nights.

 

[Kevyt]

I take it to mean Seath is about to listen to a baseball game narrated by someone who worships a cow.

What???

How did you come up with that?

 

[Unmasked Ferret]

Recalibrate your detector sir. No sarcasm here, I was genuinely amused by the prospect that Terra and I had received directly contradictory messages on consecutive nights.

That's actually pretty interesting.

Probably the low activity posters and possibly Weemadarthur. Some weird behavior on his part.

I know this is kinda late and a moot point but, would you mind pointing out what you found weird about weemad if you haven't already?

Exodu5 and Freakinchair, you guys both say that lynching Seath will give us the most info, so assuming Seath turns up scum what do we learn? How about if they flip town?

On that same vein Exodu5 why the sudden change in regards to chair? Also how do you currently feel about Enker?

 

[Zatoth]

A defense of Darryl. A defense of an unbelievable claim, even to the point of arguing flavor could have come from porn. Combined with fluffy posts and general absence, looks extremely suspicious.

Defense of Darryl? I had to decide between Darryl's and AB's claim. I'd stick with Darryl again.

As for the Lost Girl stuff. We also had weird things in other games.