Segata Sanshiro
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Everyone I talked to in the industry prefers to eat their pizza crust first.
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DmC - Devil May Cry announced (Capcom X Ninja Theory) - [Update: Unreal Engine 3]
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Kittonwy said:
Platinum Games, Valhalla(although they probably only have the staff for one game at a time)
Fimbulvetr
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Kittonwy said:Weirdos.
Well excuse me for thinking the crust is too bland to eat last.
cosmicblizzard
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My question is why hasn't stuffed crust pierced the mainstream yet? Seems like Pizza Hut is the only place that advertises it well (just got back from there a few hours ago).
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I have no problem with the trailer really. My problem is how ridiculous it is to completely change the character's design when it was never an issue to begin with. Change the clothes a bit and it's a done deal as far as getting rid of the overly-anime feel, if that's what they wanted to change. Dante's overall proportions or face and hair color are in no way wrong for the Western market. In fact he fits damn well and is much more charismatic.
If they want to widen the market for DMC, Dante was pretty much one of the few characters in Japan that already fits the bill. He actually looks and talks like a leader, but the character suffered from poor writing. That's all that really needed to improved. Better writing, and a slight change of clothes (a shirt under his coat, less red leather while still keeping the character's color scheme the same, etc.). His head was perfectly fine and the white hair is not ridiculous at all. Do albinos get laughed and pointed out when attending a rock concert or something?
The new Dante looks weak, introverted, a reject. That is NOT how you attract more people to a series in the US or Europe. If people saw him in a club they wouldn't even talk to him, he looks like he would be too fucking emo and just smoke in a corner. The real Dante would turn the place into an open bar and have a few girls around his arms. THAT is a character that would have appeal in the US and Europe.
Instead they are making a design based on a niche/reject/obscure/excessively-underground "culture" that you could say actually no longer even exists considering how small it is. They are going about it completely in the wrong way.
If they want to widen the market for DMC, Dante was pretty much one of the few characters in Japan that already fits the bill. He actually looks and talks like a leader, but the character suffered from poor writing. That's all that really needed to improved. Better writing, and a slight change of clothes (a shirt under his coat, less red leather while still keeping the character's color scheme the same, etc.). His head was perfectly fine and the white hair is not ridiculous at all. Do albinos get laughed and pointed out when attending a rock concert or something?
The new Dante looks weak, introverted, a reject. That is NOT how you attract more people to a series in the US or Europe. If people saw him in a club they wouldn't even talk to him, he looks like he would be too fucking emo and just smoke in a corner. The real Dante would turn the place into an open bar and have a few girls around his arms. THAT is a character that would have appeal in the US and Europe.
Instead they are making a design based on a niche/reject/obscure/excessively-underground "culture" that you could say actually no longer even exists considering how small it is. They are going about it completely in the wrong way.
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Nemesis556 said:
That sounds ridiculous. Bayonetta is a joke character really.
Zen said:
Discotheque
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Yeah I dislike everything about Bayonetta except the combat system. But the gameplay in there is so good that I can actually ignore it's very large faults in presentation. So annoying.
cosmicblizzard
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Ether_Snake said:
She's less of a joke than new Dante will be perceived as.
Fimbulvetr
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cosmicblizzard said:
This is the exception, I don't mind having crust last if there's something in it.
Ether_Snake said:
That would be kind of the point.
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Teknoman said:
THIS
SolidSnakex
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Even if it was the best action game ever it wouldn't have a chance of selling 5m units. The genre isn't that big.
cosmicblizzard
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These people realize that there's virtually no chance the game will reach 5 mil, right? If that's really what it needs to sell to make a profit, I don't see how NT could survive.
jaundicejuice
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Unreasonable expectations, awesome. Makes the motivations behind the unnecessary reboot somewhat more clear.
What's the highest selling action game? How well have games in the God of War, Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden series sold in the past? What are the total overall sales for each series? How well did Bayonetta do? Give me statistical data for what I already imagine is the case Sales-Age, show me that Inafune's arms are too short to box with god.
What's the highest selling action game? How well have games in the God of War, Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden series sold in the past? What are the total overall sales for each series? How well did Bayonetta do? Give me statistical data for what I already imagine is the case Sales-Age, show me that Inafune's arms are too short to box with god.
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zoukka said:
First Namco, now Capcom? better not let them down NT.
cosmicblizzard
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zoukka said:
I'm honestly thinking it could go as low as sub-1 mil. This might be the worst unveiling reaction in video game history and Capcom/NT will have to do A LOT to reassure us and win people back.
Segata Sanshiro
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That bit about Kamiya's tweets is bullshit. He even made a tweet thoroughly clarifying that he had no specific problem with the new design and told everyone to give the new guys a chance. I enjoy the flogging as much as anyone, but that's just spreading falsehoods for controversy.
Segata Sanshiro
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God of War, the highest selling installment is the first one, sold about 4 million worldwide.jaundicejuice said:
Devil May Cry, the highest selling installment is the fourth one, sold about 2.7 million worldwide.
Ninja Gaiden, the highest selling installment is the original Xbox game, sold about 1.6 million worldwide, original + Black combined.
Bayonetta shipped 1.1 million worldwide.
Yep, he's not shouting it from the rooftops but basiclly he would do it if the fans wanted him to.Sir Ilpalazzo said:
http://play.tm/news/31874/kamiya-i-would-do-a-new-devil-may-cry-if-the-fans-wanted-it/
Yep, that's true too. Before that, it had always been his tag line. He used to compare losing Dmc to having a wife that sleeps around. Although he also said last week that he missed Dmc.cosmicblizzard said:
And really it wouldn't matter anymore, if Capcom had done the right thing and given the reboot to Kamiya stating only that they want a fresh and darker,more realistic view on the series then that's what Kamiya would have done. People act as if he would have made it over the top as Bayonetta. He wouldn't have, he's a professional. But my point is, doing a origin entry can change the whole view on the series. Just like how Dmc3 usurpd Dmc1 because it took place before the big conflict with Mundus and showed us how Dante became who he was. This would have been the same oppertunity for Kamiya to retake control of his franchise and shape it as he sees fit. Again, the stupidity of Capcom amazes me.
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subversus said:
They also expected Bionic Commado to sell 1.5m.
cosmicblizzard said:
I can't hope too much from NT's side, but Capcom are geniuses in this case. Everyone here is playing to Capcoms bag by being all "outraged" to the max. They have so many options now that the game is on everyone's lips.
Modify the character a bit = fans will love the "good old" Dante design again, which normally wouldn't have been even noticed if the game would've continued the old style.
Keep the design, but balance things with Vergil and other characters. (highly probable)
Evolve the design as the game progresses. Show glimpses of this in trailers and the fans will play the game just to see the old demon slayer again.
Err I hated Heavenly Sword. Enslaved looks dull as fuck. I just want to give them a chance because we haven't seen the game in motion. I'll be the first to stomp the game if it looks bad.
Until then, I'll fight the madness in these threads.
Segata Sanshiro
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Yeah, I don't think there's a chance of it going under a million. They'll lose Japan, which is about 600k of that 2.7 million. But I honestly don't expect it to sell terribly worse in the other regions provided it's not a disaster.V_Arnold said:
ShinobiFist
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Don't forget the uber Online MP mode as well.Alastor said:
BlueSummers
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I really like Ninja Theory as a developer. There is just something in their games that I love and I can't put my finger on what that is. I personally, cannot wait for this.
On a side note..people bitch WAY to much about character design.
On a side note..people bitch WAY to much about character design.
Segata Sanshiro
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Sorry, couldn't elaborate, my student came early so I just hit "submit reply".zoukka said:
Anyway, I think if Ninja Theory turns in an average effort, like say, what they usually do, it's still going to easily pass a million WW. Maybe not 2 million, but 1.5 seems reasonable. Heavenly Sword almost managed a million without a brand attached to it, after all.
If they completely mess things up, which is highly unlikely, you'll probably see it go closer to 1 million, but I very much doubt it will go below that.
If they turn in an exceptional effort, I could see it go as high as 2.5 million to 3 million.
5 million is a fucking pipe dream, though. If God of War can't do it, DmC surely can't.
Eliciel
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never ever will a game like Devil May Cry sell 5 million+.....
Seriously is this a serious statement? 5m+ wasn't even possible for anything like uncharted 2, god of war 3...damn Final Fantasy XIII sold like 5m+ and MGS 4 nearly hit 5m.
Final Fantasy was one of "THE" most wanted games the last 3 years+...
What's the matter with capcom what are they talking about?
Seriously is this a serious statement? 5m+ wasn't even possible for anything like uncharted 2, god of war 3...damn Final Fantasy XIII sold like 5m+ and MGS 4 nearly hit 5m.
Final Fantasy was one of "THE" most wanted games the last 3 years+...
What's the matter with capcom what are they talking about?
Segata Sanshiro
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Silly sales expectations are nothing new for game companies, and Capcom has certainly never been an exception. Most notably see the 1.5 million expectation of Bionic Commando, which ended up selling under 300k.voady said:
The Praiseworthy
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5M?
are they like..... CRAZY?
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are they like..... CRAZY?
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Eliciel
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Segata Sanshiro said:
I'll write them an email calling there "new" action hero dante a bummer and a douchebag. If they don't react to their audience frustrations they'll get like 2m sales for DMC 5, or even less.
I call it
1m for the PS3 and 1m for the 360 combined: 2m worldwide.
I want him back, give me the real kick-ass dante sparda
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Capcom is pretty notorious for absurdly high predictions this gen, no?
Segata Sanshiro
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Not just this generation. They're not Namco bad, but they're pretty bad.Rez said:
Animation-Imp
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This is going to end in tears.
A reboot by a largely unknown and unloved dev, for a rather hardcore niche game...
Yeah good luck getting your 5 mil.
A reboot by a largely unknown and unloved dev, for a rather hardcore niche game...
Yeah good luck getting your 5 mil.
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