Not while Europe exists.
So they should get rid of europe hmm... just kidding, I live in europe.... please don't kill us
Not while Europe exists.
These things didn't seem to hinder the 3DS.Scorpio or overall XB1 sales? I can't see it beating overall XB1 sales at all considering Nintendo's current position when it comes to third party support and online multiplayer gaming.
If PS5 doesnt have the same compatibility as PS4/Pro, they will be in trouble. I dont think that it won't but stating that if they dont it matter is really shortsighted. When we usually get next gen consoles we barely have anything to play, maybe 1 or 2 games... and not anything worthwhile for months or a year from buying the console. If your console could get some "free" upgrades (ones without patches) to existing games that were designed for the "current-gen" console that you already own vs a console that starts over... it's pretty obvious which console people would choose more likely.
Scorpio or overall XB1 sales? I can't see it beating overall XB1 sales at all considering Nintendo's current position when it comes to third party support and online multiplayer gaming.
Microsoft should win PS4 pro vs Xbox Scorpio vs Nintendo switch.
.Well, they won it by sprinting out of the gates. But in hindsight, because they ended so early, it won't look like a landslide, with a difference on the numbers 2 and 3 of less than 15 million. Compared to the 125 million PS2 gap, the 70 million PS1 gap or the 70 million DS gap.
The people here saying BC is gonna be a make or break deal probably thought the same thing about UHD winning November for MS this year.
And wow at people already saying the Switch is gonna outsell the XB1. Lets at least wait until we have a price first.
If PS5 doesnt have the same compatibility as PS4/Pro, they will be in trouble. I dont think that it won't but stating that if they dont it matter is really shortsighted. When we usually get next gen consoles we barely have anything to play, maybe 1 or 2 games... and not anything worthwhile for months or a year from buying the console. If your console could get some "free" upgrades (ones without patches) to existing games that were designed for the "current-gen" console that you already own vs a console that starts over... it's pretty obvious which console people would choose more likely.
Nintendo doesn't have an in-between in terms of success. It's either breakout success or just middling/WiiU. They are hot right now though, and when Nintendo is hot, their sales make everyone else's look silly.
So You're Saying hypothetically if PS5 Isn't BC Sony are in Trouble. So may I ask if someone owns a Ps4 even if PS5 isn't BC, Why would the next Xbox be a better option. In both those scenarios you still couldn't play your old games.
The difference in console sales is 2:1. The difference in MAUs is a little over 1.25:1. It's really simple.
Actually those MAUs are counting PS3 and Xbox 360 too. The difference there is not 2:1, is probably closer to 1.25:1
That's what I said.
No, you didn't. The difference in consoles sold is 1.25:1.
These things didn't seem to hinder the 3DS.
Nah, that is way too early to call. MS hasn't maintained a 10 million sold-through per year sales rate with X1. I think it's too early to tell, but I think the current reception for Switch is super positive. If Switch is a breakout success WW, I could see them overtaking X1 by the end of 2019.
I mean, I don't think either Scorpio or Pro are gonna be huge successes, but even in this scenario, Nintendo easily wins a competition in this 3 man arena. MS doesn't have the WW appeal to compete with a Nintendo that has a consolidated development pipeline into one platform and a positive commercial reception, which the Switch currently does.
Scorpio is really great for fanboy wars in online forums who love to discuss specs, but there's no reason to believe it will either turn things around for MS either in NA or WW, nor is there any reason why people will pick it up over the cheaper consoles that play all the same games it can. Scorpio won't have exclusives outside of VR, so there is almost nothing that will push its hardware sales outside of the hardcore Xbox user.
The people here saying BC is gonna be a make or break deal probably thought the same thing about UHD winning November for MS this year.
Not between PS4 and XB1. What I said is that it's much better for MS to push the MAU narrative (precisely because it includes last-gen consoles) than the current gen units sold comparison (2:1).
MAU also includes PC users as Xbox users if they are playing through the W10 Xbox platform.
In North America, yes but worldwide, no.
The catalog of games you can get is bigger. But what I'm saying is that people will consider going to an ecosystem that they know they won't have to worry about upgrading and losing games and have more to play whenever when they do.
3DS definitely had struggles. Wasn't a huge success of out the gate by any means. I definitely think the Switch has positive reception and definitely feel that it will sell more than the Wii U but I'm currently not expecting it to sell more than the 3DS.
I don't understand this since again, Nintendo doesn't have much AAA third party support if any at all and sales clearly show that these games are helping current gen console sales the most. I think the Switch will do well but people are still mainly going to buy it just for Nintendo games and if the Switch is more expensive than the original PS4 and Xbox One S in 2017+ then I don't see how Nintendo will win easily. If they possibly win then it will be a really tight battle in my opinion.
Effective marketing helps. A large portion of the top selling games on PS4 and Xbox One during the first years of both consoles were games that were also available on last gen consoles. People still bought the systems though due to visual improvement and marketing hype. Those two qualities can still be there regardless of whether or not a console is truly "next gen" as long as the improvement/difference is noticeable. I agree that there's no reason to believe MS will make a worldwide comeback but a comeback in NA is definitely possible depending on what happens these next few years. The sales gap in NA is the closest it has been since the 16 bit gen -- a gen in which both Sega and Nintendo were very relevant in North America.
Scorpio or overall XB1 sales? I can't see it beating overall XB1 sales at all considering Nintendo's current position when it comes to third party support and online multiplayer gaming.
Once again if all your games are on ps4 if ps5 is BC or Not. It still wouldn't give another console a Advantage. Because it's the same end result You still can't play your old games.
Next genration of Nintendo handheld/hybrid, even it sold 50% less then 3DS, still out sold Xbox one.
Scorpio is really great for fanboy wars in online forums who love to discuss specs, but there's no reason to believe it will either turn things around for MS either in NA or WW, nor is there any reason why people will pick it up over the cheaper consoles that play all the same games it can. Scorpio won't have exclusives outside of VR, so there is almost nothing that will push its hardware sales outside of the hardcore Xbox user.
I don't think they particularly cared about Europe. They focused on the US and probably got burned harder than they had expected.
Actually those MAUs are counting PS3 and Xbox 360 too. The difference there is not 2:1, is probably closer to 1.25:1
That's all you need. If you won in North America, you have literally won worldwide.
I think you nailed it and agree %110 and it might be the case sales wise when it's all said and done..but the true main fact remains that everything will look/play miles better on Scorpio.
All the multi-plats, legit 4k gaming, 4k blu i mean the list goes on n on..going to be an insanely fast powerful mashine. So in all honesty $50-100 mil Pros sold worldwide its no biggie to me, they can have the Pro..lol. ( own 2 myself until the inevitable, then keeping solely for exclusives )
I don't think a comeback in NA is possible. Too many factors against it.
Also, there's a difference in early cross-fertilization versus on going cross-gen that these mid-gen upgrades present. Quite a few differences, and it's those differences that will ultimately hold back mid-gen upgrades.
So they should get rid of europe hmm... just kidding, I live in europe.... please don't kill us
BC being a defining feature for next gen sounds like similar talk to when XB1 was getting BC and the feature was being talked about as making a difference sales wise here on GAF.
It came out and did jack all.
BC being a defining feature for next gen sounds like similar talk to when XB1 was getting BC and the feature was being talked about as making a difference sales wise here on GAF.
It came out and did jack all.
North America has been back and forth between brands for a while. Anything is definitely possible... especially considering the gap isn't no where near as big as previous NA winners in previous generations.
I agree there's a difference but I don't see how it will greatly hold things back. As I said before, people 3-4 years ago bought $400 consoles alongside new games for $60 a pop to show that console off. Mid-gen upgrades could show similar visual improvements but due to compatibility, people wouldn't have to pay $60 for every game they want to show off that console with therefore making it financially easier to upgrade.
I wish there were stats that showed how many people bought COD Ghosts, GTA V, NBA 2K14, and Madden 25 on both last gen and current gen.
Did "jack all" for making Xbox One sales go above PS4 but people did buy an Xbox One thanks to BC.
Again, these are different situations during different points of the industry. Not sure how big gamers can think compatibility isn't a big deal when the industry is moving towards digital features, accessibility between models, and model releases more frequently -- something that we didn't see 2-3 years ago and especially not last gen.
It's PS3/PS4/Vita vs 360/XB1/W10.
Any Windows 10 game with Xbox Live functionality (which includes stuff like Solitaire) counts towards it, so it's actually a bit of a surprise how low it is.
Once again if all your games are on ps4 if ps5 is BC or Not. It still wouldn't give another console a Advantage. Because it's the same end result You still can't play your old games.
The number of exclusively W10 Xbox-only, non-Xbox-playing users is extremely low to the point of being a rounding error. People using the ecosystems are using both.
That's all you need. If you won in North America, you have literally won worldwide.
Worldwide, not a chance. Their brand isn't strong.
North America has been back and forth between brands for a while. Anything is definitely possible... especially considering the gap isn't no where near as big as NA winners in previous generations.
I agree there's a difference but I don't see how it will greatly hold things back. As I said before, people 3-4 years ago bought $400 consoles alongside new games for $60 a pop to show that console off. Mid-gen upgrades could show similar visual improvements but due to compatibility, people wouldn't have to pay $60 for every game they want to show off that console with therefore making it financially easier to upgrade in some cases.
I wish there were stats that showed how many people bought COD Ghosts, GTA V, NBA 2K14, and Madden 25 (separately) on both last gen and current gen.
First post, bullshit.
Wii - 102m~~
PS3/360 - 85 to 95m each. No way to tell which number either are at, there haven't been any solid numbers since they were both announced to hit 80m (of which xbox 360 was first).
Point is, Microsoft came very close.
So yeah, it can be done worldwide if the ball is in their court.
Nah, that is way too early to call. MS hasn't maintained a 10 million sold-through per year sales rate with X1. I think it's too early to tell, but I think the current reception for Switch is super positive. If Switch is a breakout success WW, I could see them overtaking X1 by the end of 2019.
I mean, I don't think either Scorpio or Pro are gonna be huge successes, but even in this scenario, Nintendo easily wins a competition in this 3 man arena. MS doesn't have the WW appeal to compete with a Nintendo that has a consolidated development pipeline into one platform and a positive commercial reception, which the Switch currently does.
Scorpio is really great for fanboy wars in online forums who love to discuss specs, but there's no reason to believe it will either turn things around for MS either in NA or WW, nor is there any reason why people will pick it up over the cheaper consoles that play all the same games it can. Scorpio won't have exclusives outside of VR, so there is almost nothing that will push its hardware sales outside of the hardcore Xbox user.
The number of exclusively W10 Xbox-only, non-Xbox-playing users is extremely low to the point of being a rounding error. People using the ecosystems are using both.
That's all you need. If you won in North America, you have literally won worldwide.