I'm kind of surprised at all the "lol, guess I'll just get Witcher 2" talk in here. I thought they were making the Witcher 2 much more console friendly this time around? I know it's no longer "coming soon to PCs and consoles," but I was still under the impression they had hopes of aiming it towards consoles eventually. Weren't they even demoing it with a gamepad?
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Dragon Age II: No overhead view on PC, no toolset, audience is on consoles
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Ignis Fatuus
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Hey look a troll who didn't play the first game.Maffis said:
This is bad news indeed, but it's not like the first game was a shining beacon in the medium. No buy, no loss.
Exactly what it is. Nowhere near the same time given to the sequel as the first game, and they are significantly scaling back on the scope and features to make sure the game they deliver meets a base quality point.Basileus777 said:
I have no doubt the game will be good, but the first game set the standard for the series and they are probably not going to live up to it.
coopolon said:
From a control standpoint there's no reason that The Witcher, and I assume its sequel, can't be played with a gamepad (not to mention it's just easier to present it that way). But the combat isn't what made it a good RPG in the eyes of PC gamers - it was mainly the time-delayed choice & consequence system and lack of binary hero/villain options.
ChoklitReign
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Now I have a bad feeling about Mass Effect 3. They might take out the PC interface and replace it with the 360 wheel where you can't move teammates. Or something shitty.
Joe Molotov
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Gabe Newell save us! You're our only hope. 
Zeliard said:
Right. I guess I'm just confused why people are holding it up as a shining piece of PC gaming goodness, when everything about it is just as console-ized as DA2 seems to be. Don't get me wrong, the morality system (which isn't a good name for it at all) is way better then Dragon Age, but nothing about it screams PC to me. And I played almost the entire first game over the shoulder (the Witcher).
I'm not exaggerating when I say that the isometric battles are at least 50% of what made DA worth playing for me. Take that away and I'm not sure I'm interested in the sequel. I certainly won't buy it first day.
People who say "it's just a camera angle" clearly haven't thought the implications through.
People who say "it's just a camera angle" clearly haven't thought the implications through.
It does not make any sense at all. Because it's a fucking stupid excuse and nothing else. They shouldn't even be allowed to use the words "texture quality" after the 32x32 pixel ground textures in the screenshots.Zeliard said:
Vomit is more aesthetically appealing than any Dragon Age 2 screenshots I have seen.markot said:
Well, i'd imagine if the first screens of DA 2 looked as amazing as the Witcher 2 does then there wouldnt be quite as much bitching. And the CD Projekt guys are known well enough now that they value the pc crowd with all the free updates they gave for the first game. Bioware is not valuing the PC crowd.coopolon said:
Everything I see and read about this game just baffles me and kills my interest. First game was hardly a masterpiece, but I did enjoy (parts of) it. Enjoyed it enough to finish it at least, which is a lot for me these days.
I just don't care about this anymore. Bring on The Witcher 2.
I just don't care about this anymore. Bring on The Witcher 2.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
The thing i want to know.. and this is what i brought up in the last thread.. is when did DA2 development start? When did these decisions to dumb down go into play? Afaik the changes that have been made had to have been done early in development. So did Bioware ME2 the sequel to Dragon Age before the first game even came out because they felt that there would be no audience for DA? We know that DA1 is their best selling title to date so why change things so radically to be in line with a title that didnt sell as well?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Easy_D said:
In the nearer future:
BioWare said:
Circle of Willis
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Durante said:
I tried playing a few of the battles without the isometric POV and it felt completely off pausing, issuing commands and changing characters.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
The game is like 7 months away from release.Saige said:
Basileus777
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Grayman said:
Those are neat extras that I certainly appreciate, but making console exclusive games and then releasing good ports of them months later isn't exactly what the critics are demanding. All of Capcom's games are developed and designed with consoles in mind, which is what PC gamers don't want from franchises like Battlefield and Dragon Age.
jim-jam bongs
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TheSeks said:*DirtyPCGamingPesant,GloriousConsoleMasterRace.gif*
Sucks, I feel bad for PC gamers not being able to get their nude mods and shit like that.
The guy who posted this thread made an entire fucking campaign for the first game which Bioware basically ripped off for one of their DLC campaigns. I wonder where they'll get their ideas from now?
Okay, now I'm really out. This thread is just going to be page after page of console gamers trolling PC gamers.
Son of Godzilla
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It warms my heart that Bioware has become PC gaming's biggest trolls. Well at least ya'll have your eastern bloc fetish simulations and Activision's attempts to turn life into a korean mmo to enjoy.
Still, I wonder if this was a smart move by Bioware. Was anyone a fan of the game on the consoles not going to buy it? I can't imagine a game like this having a huge audience it didn't reach with the original, regardless of what some idiot reviewers thought of the combat.
Still, I wonder if this was a smart move by Bioware. Was anyone a fan of the game on the consoles not going to buy it? I can't imagine a game like this having a huge audience it didn't reach with the original, regardless of what some idiot reviewers thought of the combat.
DodgyGeezerFella
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Grayman said:
No RE5 DLC Episodes or SSF though :/
CecilRousso
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There is one thing I really don´t get.
You have a game, Dragon Age 1, that is the companies biggest success ever (their own words). It was PC focused, and it supposedly yet sold more on consoles. Why don´t they then try to add to the sales to the PC version instead of pissing over the PC fans? Are they so sure that they can gain that much sales on the consoles that the losses on PC don´t matter that much?
Cause I´m pretty sure that the PC version sales of DA2 is going to suffer because of this. This discussion about the compromises will be in all previews, all reviews and all community discussions. Anyone who tries get any piece of information about the game before purchase will notice this negativity surrounding the title.
You have a game, Dragon Age 1, that is the companies biggest success ever (their own words). It was PC focused, and it supposedly yet sold more on consoles. Why don´t they then try to add to the sales to the PC version instead of pissing over the PC fans? Are they so sure that they can gain that much sales on the consoles that the losses on PC don´t matter that much?
Cause I´m pretty sure that the PC version sales of DA2 is going to suffer because of this. This discussion about the compromises will be in all previews, all reviews and all community discussions. Anyone who tries get any piece of information about the game before purchase will notice this negativity surrounding the title.
darkpaladinmfc
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Maybe Bioware will change their ways if this bombs -- but that's probably not going to happen T_T.
coopolon said:
The reason you don't usually see games like The Witcher on consoles isn't because they can't be done there, it's because the console market doesn't particularly ask for them. You do see WRPGs on consoles, particularly this gen, but very rarely are they focused on some of the deeper elements of the genre.
Fallout needed to become a shooter with less depth to sell. I didn't hate Bioshock but it was a mere shadow of System Shock 2, the latter of which you could perfectly-well describe simply as an RPG, with no "FPS" preceding it.
The truth of the matter is that devs feel the need to simplify their games in order to appeal to the wide console market. We've seen it a number of times, and it always results in something inferior.
I dont think people mind the 'half assed' ports from console traditional games. A game like DMC will never be a million seller on PC.
Its more when the games that kind of define PC gaming get slaughtered for consoles.
Youd think a million or so sold on PC would be enough for them to put some more effort in.
Blizz doesnt have some magic formula that is a secret to everybody, they cater to the platform and the platform rewards them.
Valve went multi platform because well, an fps goes to consoles so easily, but they... cater to the crowd on the pc market, giving them the tool, the options, the stuff that they have always had. (Then adding more with amazing support post launch)
Its more when the games that kind of define PC gaming get slaughtered for consoles.
Youd think a million or so sold on PC would be enough for them to put some more effort in.
Blizz doesnt have some magic formula that is a secret to everybody, they cater to the platform and the platform rewards them.
Valve went multi platform because well, an fps goes to consoles so easily, but they... cater to the crowd on the pc market, giving them the tool, the options, the stuff that they have always had. (Then adding more with amazing support post launch)
SimpleDesign
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Cold as ice and yet oh so true.Durante said:
Didn't Bioware partially justify their streamlining of ME2 by saying that they always intended it to be the more action-y IP, while Dragon Age was designed for their hardcore RPG fans?
Clearly there's been a shift at Bioware, and they'd now really like to be a company that makes action games instead of RPGs.
Clearly there's been a shift at Bioware, and they'd now really like to be a company that makes action games instead of RPGs.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Think I used the over head view 1 time when I played it on the pc. Honestly I liked the control of the game pad better. I was always clicking past shit and running behind them instead of attacking.
Never really got into the mods stuff. Most of the were sex related, or graphic/weapon/armor mods. Felt like cheating. Not a huge pc gamer so it won't bug me. Still I feel for you pc guys. I'm getting it on the xbox anyways.
Never really got into the mods stuff. Most of the were sex related, or graphic/weapon/armor mods. Felt like cheating. Not a huge pc gamer so it won't bug me. Still I feel for you pc guys. I'm getting it on the xbox anyways.
Danne-Danger
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Do we have a thread on this? I didn't play the mod nor the expansion, but that sounds interesting.jim-jam bongs said:
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Cheech said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
No.