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Piccolo In DB
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I really have to wonder if this is a possible wish and why nobody has done it yet. If the regular DBs can't do it, the Super DBs certainly can
Super Saiyan Tenshinhan would be unstoppable
Orochinagis
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Did Piccolo and Gohan trained on the same island gohan trained as a child? because that the same dinosaur Gohan bullied to ate its tail
Goku vs. Vegeta is my favourite fight when it comes to content, it's a raw and brutal fight and both of them get pushed to the edge, having to make use of every trick they know. Genki Dama, Great Ape transformations, Kaio-ken and the desperation towards the end.
Goku vs. Kid Buu is my favourite visually. Just look at these two animation clips; so much going on:
https://sakugabooru.com/data/75b9a864990fadd5e99cbff46fbac0b6.mp4
https://sakugabooru.com/data/17ca50118e6d4c3e3766ab404f474cc7.mp4
I wish they'd make as dynamic a fight again.
I think that area has unofficially become Piccolos home.
Goku vs. Kid Buu is my favourite visually. Just look at these two animation clips; so much going on:
https://sakugabooru.com/data/75b9a864990fadd5e99cbff46fbac0b6.mp4
https://sakugabooru.com/data/17ca50118e6d4c3e3766ab404f474cc7.mp4
I wish they'd make as dynamic a fight again.
I think that area has unofficially become Piccolos home.
I honestly can't imagine who would want to wish for this ...
Like this is really dumb. If you're gonna wish to be stronger you might as well just literally wish for "make me the strongest person of the universe" instead of having your being altered and your personality influenced by random genes. D:
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Someone who wants their ceiling raised instead of having strength given to them.
I.E., most of the good guys in the cast.
Yeah, I don't buy it.
Admiral Woofington
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What if my only wish is that with all of my heart I want to fly with dragons in a land apart
PHOENIXZERO
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Cauliflower is in the same family as broccoli. It just makes sense for a character named Caulifla to be U6's version of Broly. Then again, cabbage is also a part of that family, hmm...
She's allergic to Cabbage.
It seems to be it.
Goku vs Frieza, while having the most iconic moments and best build up.
Is also the worst major fight. It was the least varied, dragged out the longest(Yes, Goku's fights between Buu, Cell, Vegeta where all shorter) and largely played up on the simple greater power level. Any sort of balance dropped out completely once Goku went SSJ.
Goku vs Vegeta is still the best otherwise, Power Beam battles, transformation, KaioKen, tag team, etc.
Is also the worst major fight. It was the least varied, dragged out the longest(Yes, Goku's fights between Buu, Cell, Vegeta where all shorter) and largely played up on the simple greater power level. Any sort of balance dropped out completely once Goku went SSJ.
Goku vs Vegeta is still the best otherwise, Power Beam battles, transformation, KaioKen, tag team, etc.
Undead Fantasy
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Yeah, everything points to that being the case.
Mister Wolf
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Who needs Super Saiyan when you can learn advanced ki control from Whis.
The tension in the manga throughout the Frieza arc was almost unbearable for me with how dangerous Frieza was and how fragile Krillin and Gohan were. Goku dominating Frieza after he went SSJ was a necessary catharsis, easily one of the best fights.
The manga was good but the anime dragged it so hard it ended up being painful.
The perception to the fight mostly depends if you're an anime only guy or if you read the manga I feel.
It's a universal buff that anyone can benefit from. If there wasnt such a miniscule amount of time left before the tournament, I'd be questioning why beerus hasn't ordered whis to train up U7's squad to at least understand the concept at least a basic level.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Everyone owes it to themselves to erase their knowledge of the original DBZ run with Kai.
Bad pacing is just a bad memory now.
Also, I admit that turning others Super Saiyan is a bad idea. BUT, I do think looking for ways to raise their power ceiling to compete with Super Saiyans is something that should definitely be explored (and might very well be with the direction Super has been headed in).
Bad pacing is just a bad memory now.
Also, I admit that turning others Super Saiyan is a bad idea. BUT, I do think looking for ways to raise their power ceiling to compete with Super Saiyans is something that should definitely be explored (and might very well be with the direction Super has been headed in).
Seeing Gohan back reminded me of when Fat Buu is brought back and completely destroys Gohan and Supreme Kai. I thought that was pretty damn hype.
Seems like every time an antagonist is introduced someone has to job to them to show their strength.
Anyone want to take bets on who is going to be Jiren's jobber? My money is on Buu or 17.
Seems like every time an antagonist is introduced someone has to job to them to show their strength.
Anyone want to take bets on who is going to be Jiren's jobber? My money is on Buu or 17.
Admiral Woofington
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Buu has to job before krillin
Because they've been building his return for too long.
I think ultimately it'll all boil down to Gohan fighting mustache superhero, vegetable fighting lady broly, and everybody else fighting scrubs nobody cares about
Because they've been building his return for too long.
I think ultimately it'll all boil down to Gohan fighting mustache superhero, vegetable fighting lady broly, and everybody else fighting scrubs nobody cares about
I get that impression too. The entire Frieza arc in manga form is IMO one of the all time greats.
It's obviously going to be Hit.
Mister Wolf
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Because Saiyans are the only ones in U7 who get to be top tier which is complete bullshit. Piccolo and Tien are life long martial artists and genius level fighters who would excel under Whis tutelage. Look at the huge leap Piccolo made training under King Kai
Somebody needs to do a Kai cut using Dragon Box rips. I like Kai but Kikuchi's score and the original 4:3 presentation will always be the best.
Kai is really great up to the Cell final; The Final Chapters is 'ok'. But I still think the original DBZ has its charm. It looks better visually (Kai borked the colours a bit especially at TFC) and some of the fillers were okay.
Host Samurai
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Frieza, Piccolo & Beerus. Vegeta's fight had too much outside shannagains and an Ozaru form. Frieza, Piccolo & Beerus were all out fights with no interference who pushed Goku beyond his limits. I never got that feeling from Goku in the Cell fight, which really looked like Goku was holding back even if he wasn't.
Kenji Yamamoto's Kai tracks are superb for Dragon Ball; it's a shame they had to edit the home media releases to remove every track of his. If anyone is going to watch Kai they should dig around to get the TV broadcast version.
No one ever says that on this thread. People who hate Gohan always bring this up but I never see anyone believing Gohan is gonna be the main hero of this arc.
Except for the fact that GT is the result of it being solely the Goku show.
What bothered me was how everyone takes Buu as a joke. Gohan was the youngest fighter in the tournament, and beat Cell, he is the last person who should be judging their opponent.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Hell yes. I LOVED his score. The fact that it's relegated to illegal rips is a crying shame. The man may have been a bit of a plagiarist, but he was damn good at his job even when he was ripping off other music, adding in his own style and making the perfect sort of music for the DB world. It hit the perfect balance between Kikuchi's orchestral approach and Faulconer's heavier approach.
My favorites (some from Budokai games):
Formidable Warrior: The Saiyan
Heroic Faceoff
Creature of Marvel (This is PERFECT music for the androids)
The Clouds of War Spread
Challengers (This is Future Trunks' theme in my headcanon)
It has been brought up before but the heroes haven't won a single time in Super.
Battle of Gods: Beerus won
Resurrection F: Freeza won, time travel fuckery needed to get a redo.
Champa Arc: Ended in a tie, but Goku was only like 20 seconds away from his body giving out anyway.
Future Trunks Arc: Everyone died.
At this point, it will actually be a change of pace if U7 ends up winning, never mind worrying about who will get the final kill.Resurrection F: Freeza won, time travel fuckery needed to get a redo.
Champa Arc: Ended in a tie, but Goku was only like 20 seconds away from his body giving out anyway.
Future Trunks Arc: Everyone died.
This will always be Trunks theme for me. It's a shame they didn't play it during his showdown with Black, but I guess they had their reasons :<
What the fuck is that
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of this too.
This is... different, and not my favorite, but I still like it. All the Kai insert songs were a bit campy in a weird way. Vegeta had the best one though
Or just read the manga.
Chaotic-Strike
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I did love the anime version of the Cell fight, but I'd have to say Freeza or Vegeta gave him the best fight.
For all of Vegeta's complaining about losing to Goku, he really did beat him in the Saiyan saga, and it was Goku's allies who saved his skin since he was done after the Kaioken Kamehameha.
Undead Fantasy
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Not just pacing. Bad voice acting and soundtrack.
Old Funi dub is just unwatchable.
The DBZ insert songs were pretty bad compared to the sick Dragon Ball ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhScFOYNEoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhScFOYNEoM
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
That's an option... but I actually like Kai better
blasphemy, I know
I didn't think old DBZ was that bad in the Buu saga.
If we're talking about original DBZ, Saiyan arc/ Cell arc are 50 times better, but they also had a lot of filler stuff that drowned out that arc, and I mean filler that didn't amount to much, not Goku vs. Buutenks filler. At least for the most part the Buu arc was focused on the main plot, but it just went on and on and on and on and on and on.
I'd put Buu arc above Frieza arc in terms of pacing.
If we're talking about original DBZ, Saiyan arc/ Cell arc are 50 times better, but they also had a lot of filler stuff that drowned out that arc, and I mean filler that didn't amount to much, not Goku vs. Buutenks filler. At least for the most part the Buu arc was focused on the main plot, but it just went on and on and on and on and on and on.
I'd put Buu arc above Frieza arc in terms of pacing.
Chaotic-Strike
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Yeah there is no debate especially considering how Z was a lot of the English voice cast first acting roles, and it shows.
The other day someone posted the Z version of Goku threatening the Supreme Kai and there were tons of unnecessary dialogue that wasn't there originally. The Kai version of that scene just came out on the DVDs recently and it's a massive improvement in script with actual silence.
All I can say is we've come along way since 2002.
Icyflamez96
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So no one else even wants to consider Goku vs Cell as part of the discussion
Vegeta is probably my number 2 choice, but to me that fight was more Vegeta being quite a bit more ahead until Goku had these burst moments that eventually let him push through, and he needed help at the end.
Goku vs Cell (at least in the anime) felt like he was a lot more thoroughly frustrated. Like Cell was right out of his reach the whole time, and Goku knowing that I felt gave just this more consistent base of just... exertion.
They start off testing each other out for a while, and that's already intense, but the part about it to me that sells it is the way they depict how the fight semi gradually transitions into something more serious. As the intensity increases, you can see the heightened exasperation in their facial expressions. Their movements start to speed up. There are even bits of choreography repeated later in the fight that are faster than before, and that show them with more intense facial expressions. Another crucial thing are the little moments where Goku does a mad/desperate/confused grunt after being out-maneuvered. That, along with other things and you know Goku is thinking "why the fuck can't I just break through this nigga right now?!?" The whole crescendo of the fight is very well done. If it wasn't for the Goku's energy drain I have no idea who would win, but it would be a damn good battle.
I don't know if that clip is easier to write off for the ones saying they don't really remember the full fight, but within the context of the rest of the fight, that section of it is amazingly fierce.
I definitely don't see Beerus as being in the discussion because I think the one who is going to give you the best fight is going to be the one who is actually around your level. Beerus and Goku reminds me of a good casual player 1v1ing a good pro player in a fighting game. Yeah, the pro can hold back, make it seem like it's a good fight, but he wins at the end and everyone knows the casual player never had a chance in the first place. By far my best and most mentally/physically taxing fights have been with people who are either on my level or slightly better than me.
Edit: I don't see how you could look at those little clips I posted and tell me that it felt like Goku was holding back.
Vegeta is probably my number 2 choice, but to me that fight was more Vegeta being quite a bit more ahead until Goku had these burst moments that eventually let him push through, and he needed help at the end.
Goku vs Cell (at least in the anime) felt like he was a lot more thoroughly frustrated. Like Cell was right out of his reach the whole time, and Goku knowing that I felt gave just this more consistent base of just... exertion.
They start off testing each other out for a while, and that's already intense, but the part about it to me that sells it is the way they depict how the fight semi gradually transitions into something more serious. As the intensity increases, you can see the heightened exasperation in their facial expressions. Their movements start to speed up. There are even bits of choreography repeated later in the fight that are faster than before, and that show them with more intense facial expressions. Another crucial thing are the little moments where Goku does a mad/desperate/confused grunt after being out-maneuvered. That, along with other things and you know Goku is thinking "why the fuck can't I just break through this nigga right now?!?" The whole crescendo of the fight is very well done. If it wasn't for the Goku's energy drain I have no idea who would win, but it would be a damn good battle.
I don't know if that clip is easier to write off for the ones saying they don't really remember the full fight, but within the context of the rest of the fight, that section of it is amazingly fierce.
I definitely don't see Beerus as being in the discussion because I think the one who is going to give you the best fight is going to be the one who is actually around your level. Beerus and Goku reminds me of a good casual player 1v1ing a good pro player in a fighting game. Yeah, the pro can hold back, make it seem like it's a good fight, but he wins at the end and everyone knows the casual player never had a chance in the first place. By far my best and most mentally/physically taxing fights have been with people who are either on my level or slightly better than me.
Edit: I don't see how you could look at those little clips I posted and tell me that it felt like Goku was holding back.
Dunno man
The manga version is also p long. It is at least one volume, and google is saying it's 20 chapters
After thst most fights will last 2 or 3 chapters. Even Gohan vs Cell is solved quickly, and all the fights in the buu saga go by super fast
leatherhat
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Hit. Almost guaranteed.
Dunno what ? Each chapter serves purpose and doesn't drag along, the action is really good and compelling, there's a lot of ellipses too with panels explaining what happened etc... to avoid hurting the pacing.
Goku's super saiyan battle is about 10 chapters long, and it featured all the stuff with the dragon balls and the wishes.
I never said it wasn't a long fight, I said it's good in the manga. It can be long and good. The anime is a perfect example of long and bad because of all the dead moments where nothing happens, the dragging stares, useless cuts to other characters, reuse of animations and never ending "beam struggle". It also made the "5 min" line absolutely unbearable when it turned into 3 hours.
Undead Fantasy
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Hit and 17 get my bet.
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