Chaotic-Strike
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No one is arguing that the Spirit Sword wasn't bullshit.
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No one is arguing that the Spirit Sword wasn't bullshit.
Ingeniero
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Wait, what?
Is this a spoiler free thread or what? holyshit.
SSJ2?
So let's do something that's more bullshit
which is what the manga is suppodely doing?
In the anime, prior to the Genki Dama sword, Trunks was a huge focus of that arc, he was always there, and the only time he was sidelined was after his badass rage powerup, where he went toe to toe with Black and Zamasu, so even though he became irrelevant for 2 or 3 episodes after that, it was fine since we had enough Trunks.
This.
Wait, isn't this the first time
has been seen in the manga continuity? Does that confirm that it comes from Toriyama?
Giving this post my energy.
hakai
If Toei is so keen to reuse movie scenes they better give us this at the end:
Giving this post my energy.
NeonZ
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The Hakai didn't seem to finish the battle though. The full chapter isn't out yet, but based on the spoiler pictures,
Merged Zamasu uses a portal and grabs Mai, using her as a human shield against another attack then beats up Goku. The fusion time runs out, but Zamasu attempts to resist splitting - resulting in some half-Black/half-Zamasu thing tied by meat chunks, then Trunks charges up with his sword and cuts him in half. We're missing a bunch of pages here, but somehow both Black and Zamasu regenerate into two merged Zamasus beat Goku and Trunks, and Vegeta rushes in and kicks away Goku before they finish him off. Then there's the last page with even more merged Zamasus which likely will lead to Zen'o button next month.
Beerus used it to kill present Zamasu in the manga just like in the anime. So, yeah, it came from Toriyama.
ArchedThunder
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I don't know how to break this to you. Most transformations in Dragon Ball were achieved by intense emotions flowing through someone. For Goku and Gohan it was anger.
Even the bulky transformation Trunks got in Z when he went USSJ was through anger.
And how is Ultimate Gohan stupid? Gohan's whole buildup was he has more potential than anyone else, so when a Kai comes around who can awaken hidden potential, is it really a surprise Gohan would be stronger than everyone?
ArchedThunder
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Should I post up the new OT like an hour before today's episode airs?
I don't want the discussion from the episode to make us run out of pages.
I don't want the discussion from the episode to make us run out of pages.
Go for it.
Chaotic-Strike
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Wait, isn't this the first timehas been seen in the manga continuity? Does that confirm that it comes from Toriyama?hakai
Giving this post my energy.
Toei isn't going to do that to the character that helped Super beat One Piece.
Prolly the best bet
It really isn't. Trunks had to be the one to kill Black. Just a shame it wasn't executed properly in the anime. Still makes it 100 times better than what the manga is angling for.
Hey at least we have a "good power scaling" even if the story is uninteresting on it's own
Undead Fantasy
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I'll take what the Anime did over what the manga does.
I'm also willing to turn a blind eye to the stuff in the arc that made less sense, since it allowed us to have an more satisfying ending to the arc.
What the manga is doing however is the very thing that made GT, as well as the beginning of Super unbearable: Make everything about Goku, and trying to force Goku as solution to everything, even tough it was clearly not needed.
I'm also willing to turn a blind eye to the stuff in the arc that made less sense, since it allowed us to have an more satisfying ending to the arc.
What the manga is doing however is the very thing that made GT, as well as the beginning of Super unbearable: Make everything about Goku, and trying to force Goku as solution to everything, even tough it was clearly not needed.
The Silver
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Manga is really making Goku look strong, can't wait until the U7 team is sidelined like Trunks to make Goku look stronger, it's the revival of GT baby.
What Goku did could be explained by his training with Whiss and the fact he wants him as God of the destruction in the manga version.
What Trunks did im the Anime is the biggest ass pull of the entire series and has no plausible explanation.
¯_(ツ_/¯
I saw that. You have to move at Super Saiyan Blue (mastered) + time stop speed to beat me.
ArchedThunder
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OT7 titles? Last chance.
Undead Fantasy
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What Goku did could be explained by his training with Whiss and the fact he wants him as God of the destruction in the manga version.
What Trunks did in the Anime is the biggest ass pull of the entire series and has no plausible explanation.
¯_(ツ
It was already explained by Goku. Trunks used a Genkidama style attack.
Undead Fantasy
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|OT7| Don't want me in your team? Give me one transformation scene.
Gohan only got two shots in, hardly an indication of being equal.
Mister Wolf
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The manga is a joke.
That's not an explanation, he just said what he saw.
It was a Genki dama sword attack, why/how he pulled that off is the troubling thing to explain.
SSJ transformations made sense although they really are pushing it with the way U6 is unlocking it, meditation and power unlocks made sense considering how godlike the people getting the power up already are, now that shit Trunks pulled was a new low in ass pullery and some mental gymnastics would be necessary to justify it.
But he never saw Beerus used it in the manga. That was only in the anime.
TeamLeftMatch
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I've got nothing.
I've got nothing.
Ugh, no.
Whiss teached him off screen. Boom, justified.
Now try to explain how Trunks learned Genji Dama and how he converted that power into his sword and how it was that powerful with the Earth almost entirely destroyed and Goku/Vegeta wrecked.
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Lol I was expecting something else there.
That "what else might slip" line from Frieza still keeps me up at night thinking about the possibilities.
Undead Fantasy
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Is it really that hard to believe Trunks just learned by himself the same thing Goku did with King Kai?
The majority of his power up was thanks to Goku and Vegeta anyway.
Please never write anything ever.
At the very least Trunks didn't know what was happening he just went with it. The energy came from his friends subconsciously wanting to give it to him.
It's bad but it's nowhere near "resolved offscreen!!" Bad
Mister Wolf
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The manga wont even have a U7 team to sideline its just gonna be Goku fighting by himself representing U7.
Linkstrikesback
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Yeah because he never even knew about it, Goku was taught that, he wasn't. It's one thing pulling off the moves he saw his father use,but a freaking sword Genki Dama powerful enough to wipe Merged Zamasu considering almost the entire human race was wiped and Goku/Vegeta weakened is too much imo.
Both solutions were shit, but one could be explained, as idiotic as it was, the other is absurd even by the low standard of the series.
Wasn't the manga sucking Vegeta's dick while sidelining Goku earlier?
I just want to know when Goku learned it. It better not be the same explanation we got for Trunks' bullshit healing power.
As for Trunks, him cutting Merged Zamasu means nothing in the manga since he didn't do anything to earned it. Sheesh, Gohan killing Cell is more well-earned, and anyone who knows me knows how I feel about that.
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